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@LiftHimUp As to the NBC issue, not as you claim. One American parent, and born here, makes one a CITIZEN, but the additional qualifier "natural born" is more limited. MUST be born here, and of TWO American citizen parents. Read Federalist Papers for background and context, and the discussiions on this issue. Further, a Supreme COurt case, about 1835 I think, the title being Minor vs Happersett, or something very close.... it was about another matter but dealt with the Natural Born Citizen issue as a key to the matter at hand. Find and read the decision yourself. It is blunt, plain, leaves no wriggle room.WHY bring this up? Cruz is quite obviously on the campaign trail, and needs to be headed off at the pass as ineligible. his is NOT sour grapes.. I like some of what the guy is saying, though during his recent stumping he's caused me to wonder a lot. He's certainly better than either of the last two we had in the final runoff. And Romney is being put forward again.... sheesh!!!
As to the whole "two kingdom" business... I'm not much up to seed on that whole schtick... but I do know two things that I think relate. First, there is not one cubic nanometer of creatio over which Jesus does not say "MINE". Second, anyone who is sitting about waiting for Jesus to come back and "fix it all" is most likely NOT one of His disciples, and will hear the "Depart from Me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you" speech.
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I've long considered Jesus' word to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's" to mean only give to either/both what is RIGHTFULLY theirs. What 'IS" the due to each. He emphatically did NOT say to give them what they want. How often does Caesar/Uncle Sam make demands that are utterly without warrant? Or directly opposed to what we know is God's command (paying to support abortion, for example, clearly counter to God's laws and the Constitution.. right to life, as guaranteed therein, and none of FedGov's business to demand).
It seems, upon reading this article, that the hooh hahs in charge of the temple and other related things had been scamming the people for some time, and that Jesus was brought up against this. Did He say to pay the tax? No. He said to give to God what IS God's.... and left it to the hearer to determine whether this two-drachma tax was legitmately God's. If it IS legitimately His, they you'd better pay up. If not, you can either pay it (to reduce chances of ensuing "unpleasantness") or not and risk those ensuing consequences.
Somewhat akin to our current administrations insistence we all buy into the OhBummerTax scam under risk of some financial penalties. The law is not legitimate, despite what a number of bought andpaid for courts have "decided", nor is it anything approaching a n acceptible "deal". Pay anyway, lose for certain, don't pay and risk..... well, whatever it might be and however further on doan the road those "chips" may fall and how big the pile will be when they do.
Render to him asking for the tax what is RIGHTLY his to demand.
2 days, 13 hours ago on Taxing like a harlot
Cruz' stance on Israel, the middle east, the christians under persecution there, and other such things are merely trappings the man is manipulating on his hopeless quest to occupy the White House as our next president.
However those issues dice down, he has one insurmountable problem, which he conveniently fails to mention (and much of the media is in lockstep on this issue). That issue comprises two indisputable facts, and those facts are of his own testimony: he was born in Canada, and his Father was a Cuban citizen at the time of his birth. The requirement for president is he be a "natural born citizen", which means born in this country, of TWO parents who are also both citizens. Not residents, not visitors, not Britich Subjects (Obama Sr), not Cubans....... thus he cannot be president. I wish he'd end his grandstanding and get about pushing for what this country needs to climb out of our present deep rabbit hole economically, politically, and morally. The sort of blathering he's been up to of late helps none of the above.
2 days, 14 hours ago on Cruzifiction
@D2U on what basis do you assert that anyone who does not support the popular meme that Israel MUST be "supported" blindly and unquestioningly necessarily "hates" Israel and wills her arm? Who appointed YOU Factfinder, Judge, Jury, in determining that those who disagreed with Cruz' comments "are against Israel"? Pot, don't call kettle black until you have a good, honest look at kettle.
@TedRWeiland @MichaelPaulTuuri All traffic laws arise from the principle outlined in the Dacalogue regarding murder. The root command.. do not harm another. (death being the ultimate harm in this life). If my speed is such that I cannot control my vehicle, and I do in fact lose control of it and harm another, I have violated that command. Thus, God's law mandates that I drive in such a way as to not harm another. BUT.. the state, usurping God's authority over my conduct in this regard, so often declares I must drive at less than some certain rate of speed.... in theory, at any rate, to assure I don't harm another. However, some of the cars I drive are far safer at some certain speed than others. If it is safe (I do no harm) at the lower speed in vehicle A, an inherently less stable one than B, the state interferes with MY responsibility before God and my fellow man to decide at what speed vehicle B is still plenty safe. Then, as I doscivered to my amazement on a trip to Texas a few years back, THAT state government deems 85 mph plenty safe on their motorways, while California posts most of theirs at 65, and Oregon most at 60. Nevada, until FedGov threatened to withhold monies rightly theirs until they complied, posted NO limits. So, if driving 85 in Texas is legal, and safe, is driving the same vehicle at 85 in Oregon, on similar roads and concidtions, NOT save, and against God's law? Certainly not.
Then we have the town, recently put inder investigation in Florida, which has collected some forty thousand speeding ticket fines in the past few years, whillst the town only has about 12K residents.....and some 25 cops who were required to write no less than 12 tickets per 12 hour shift... counter to state laws. The limits posted as one approaches the town, then leaves, change quite a few times... down, then up, then down again, and the dirty coppers sit where their radar guns can train on the first few feet of roadway after the newer lower limit..... millions of dollars scooped from the unsuspecting travelling public for..... what? Playing a numbers game. This is NOT what law is for.... nor anything close to what God intended civil magistrates to do. and "we must obey"? Sorry.... I don't buy that.
Speed laws are interesting anyway. Its sort of a bargain struck.. IF you are convicted of driving over the posted limit, AND you are convicted, you will have committed a certain level of INFRACTION, and the fine will be $XXX. No actual offense isoutlined or defined. IF you do this, AND we catch you, AND we can prove in front of the judge, whom we own, THEN you have to haul out your checkbook and cough up. On the other hand, when someone is driving so fast he cannot control his car, craahes, and HURTS someone, of COURSE he has committed a crime.... and needs to make restitution per God's laws. (most of us carry insurance, essentially betting the insuror that we won't blow it, and giving him the monthly premium to he can pay the restitution on our behalf IF we need it. But, most often, that is the end of it. All to often, there are no criminal charges except in cases of gross negligence, disregard for the security of others, etc.
1 week, 1 day ago on Is there such thing as “legitimate taxation”?
@MichaelPaulTuuri @Alex Alexander @TedRWeiland this sounds a whole lot like the principle of God writing His laws on our hearts.... and is His intent. How many laws did Adam have imposed upon him in the garden? One. And ONLY one. Oh, he had some tasks assigned, but only one law. Since that was broken, we suffer under the insult and burden of myriad laws. Yet the original plan was that God's laws be written upon our hearts...... so what we want is what God wants. Jesus came to live and die here amongst us to restore that which was lost. And He's not putting everything on hold until He returns, no He has given us work to do between now and then..... OCCUPY till I come, He said. Consider the implications of that word OCCUPY.
our Constitution gives virtually unlimited power to Congress to tax
us—and it has used it liberally. The “Antifederalist” critics of the
Constitution pinpointed this problem early—and they were right. I would
venture to argue that, constitutionally, every tax we have today is perfectly legitimate.
No, not quite. The Constitution ascribes somewhere near 18 or 20 areas of concern to FedGov, and, per the Tenth Article of Ammendment, explicitly denies it any power to mess with anything else. Thus healthcare, standing army, space exploration, regulating the eivirnoment, agriculture, education, transportation, regulating what we do/don't put into our bodies, firearms, beverages, agricultural products, policing/law enforcement/criminal prosecutions, interstate commerce (they ARE told to "make regular", that is, to make sure it works properly, that is NOT regulating it to death as now seen), establishing and maintaining and mismanaging national forests, parks, preserves, reserves, monuments, scenic areas, managing retirement savings/pensions, automobile equipment or performance or appearance or function, and a host of other nonsense never intended them. And THOSE things are what consume the vast majority of our tax dollars stolen from us on a regular basis.
Further, the Constitutioin places the ultimate responsibility to limit and direct the Congress to we the people. Thus the root of the problem is NOT the congress, but the people who continue to return the scoundrels for multiple terms thus they coninue perpetuating their illegal activities unchecked. Thus I fully disagree with your argument that "every tax we have today is perfectly legitimate". No, tax monies confiscated then applied to some purpose not expressly assigned FedGov is NOT legitimate. I'd venture an estimate that if ALL such taxes were ended immediately the taxes applied to the remaining legitimate purposes would reduce our current federal tax load to well under ten percent of gross, or even net, income.
In the beginning, we as a new nation agreed to having naval ports, post offices andpost roads, the ten mile square seat of national government, two houses of congress, establishing weights and measures and coining money, and not much more. Remove ALL taxes not directly involved with those few functions and see how much remains..... the small remainder will shock you.
1 week, 2 days ago on Is there such thing as “legitimate taxation”?
@TedRWeiland Excellent point regarding the corruptio of the term "church". As far as I can tell, (not exhaustive study on my part, to be sure), the "church that meets at so and so's house' never had to maintain a building, nor did they have things like Children's Church, Youth Grope, Deacon's Breakfasts, gospel busses, etc. It was simply the people coming together in some common place that was already under their control or right of access. It seems possible/likely that when Paul met with others or came from out of town to minister for a season, some facility was obtained... like the one from which window the young man fell when Paul's teaching put him to sleep. My guess is "the church" acquired that venue in much the same way as Jesus' tomb was aquired... someone had it, and mede it available for the instant need. But the "church" as a ten million dollar monument to someone was unknown. However, even a congregation that rents a public school cafeteria for their Lord's Day meeting incurs some expenses.... and they have to come from somewhere. The groups with which I am familiar simply leave a box lying about somewhere, and folks drop in wat they feel led to give. And it all works out somehow. Everything else comes from, is used by, supplied by, and benefits the folks that meet together.... just like the believers who met at Charlie's house way back when...... "whenever you come together......". Of course, along with the huge facility come attendant burdens.. property taxes, utility bills, maintenance, insurance (because the bank owns it), interest on the note, and this all requires some form of hierarchy to deal with it. Hierarchy costs money to build/maintain. Thus most "pastors" are not really shepherds as much as CEO's managing the "stuff" and distracted from the real duties ascribed them by God. And butts on benches seem to be the desired "product" (must pay that note off, you know.....)
@vRico @TedRWeiland Perhaps a good idea from God's Word would be to look again at the time when the judaisers were harrassing the "greek" new believers, attempting to put them under the Law of Moses. The leaders met to consider this in light of some of the same things under discussion here. Their conclusion was simple: we are no longer UNDER the law, as Christ came to perfect that. But we ARE under God's moral law... they said that circumcision, observing feasts, etc, were not required, but to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols (as a consideration to their weaker bretheren that might be stumbled by this practice), and from sexual immorality. While they did not spell this out, I suspect they were counting on the Holy Spirit to make good on Jesus' promise that He (the Spirit) would lead each one into all truth.
As to the Mosaic law in re crimes against others, one look at today's sick and corrupt system of criminal "justice" belies any hint that we have it right. We have some 23 millions of our own people in prison (at a cost of about $40K/year/prisoner, out of OUR tax money) for such inane things as possession of microscopic quantities of a natural plant, and a few million more for having stolen some item belonging to another) as "punishment", all "paying their debt to society". (somehow the logic of MY paying $40K/year/prisoner and declaring that THEY are "repaying their debt to society" is "good" escapes me) does not set well with my understanding of the principles of liberty, justice (for all?) Meanwhile we spend a few $Mn to shove a murderer through the justice "system", only to impose a sentence of a few years because of "extenuating circumstances... such as "he was poor" instead of aplying the biblical recompense for his wilfully taking the life of another. And that command (whoever deliberately sheds the blood of an innocent, by man's hand shall HIS blood be shed) well predates the law of Moses.
So, while we, strictly speaking, are not under the law of Moses, we remain under God's principles of justice, judgement, recompense. And these are spelt out fairly clearly throughout the OT. Any nation that models their criminal law system on those does well. The ONLY crimes that should be crimes are those that violate the Decalogua... particularly the second tablet. Crimes against each other need to have consequences in keeping with the harm done. In fact civil government is established by God to "bear the sword against those who do harm to others".
1 week, 2 days ago on Calvin’s great error on biblical law
@Angelus Domini Wither you missed it entirely or for whatever reason failed to refer to Mr. McDurmon's clear refutation of Calvin's "perilois, seditions, false, and foolish" interpretation (mangling?) of the quoted OT source. Instead you throw rocks.
1 week, 3 days ago on Calvin’s great error on biblical law
@woodcal16 @Tionico it still makes no sense. You fail to explain how "calvinism" affects their positions and articles. Your original comment still has no context, no meaning, no significance. Seems like empty ranting with no purpose.
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@Richard Frank HUGE detail you conveinently eliminate: Lot had been kidnapped, taken against his will and trundled off by these foreigners on a raid. Abraham merely mustered his forces, went and reclaimed Lot. When that job was done they returned home.
This guy was kidnapped, alright.. or was he detained by those who live there for his suspicious presence? What WAS he really doing? Why? We don't know.... but we DO know that the guy went there of his own accord. His troubles did not begin until he had put himself in harms' way. And now you expect our entire nation's forces to be deployed to get him back before he's killed? He likely violated some law, rule, protocol, thus raising his profile to the point they dealt with him. Not to OUR liking, but we don't live there. Maybe they grabbed this guy in retaliation for our kinyun resident's drone raid that killed Anwar al Aliki (do I have his name right?) and then later his son, as that son was visiting with friends. A teen aged US citizen lawfully present where he was, and apparently up to nothing of note.... yet HE was killed along with a handful of his friends and relatives with no due process by a drone-fired missile. Maybe it was THEM avenging the assassination of one of them? WHERE does it stop? It never should have begun. We need to quickly and completely butt out, let them settle their own disputes. If they wanted our "help" they'd ask for it. Its that old "we have to meddle in every corner fo the world to make things "right"".
@Tired nope. NO more than I'd see the concerted attacks on Kurdish christians as an attack on America. The man chose to put himself in that position in his line of work. If a pilot or passenger on an airliner that crashes is an American, did America die when the plane crashed? If YOU desire to go and avenge his death, have at it. We as a nation cannot lawfully or morally do so. Not an act of war. Perhaps they viewed his presence there, meddling and/or observing in their private business as an act of war, and took appropriate action? Like WE should do if a bunch of them came here to stir things up? Like we SHOULD be doing along our southern border as tens of thousands of people freely walk or are driven across with no consequences.. beyond our own government taking them up, coddling, protecting, feeding, housing, clothing, managing, them as honoured guests...... sorry, they come here against our laws, they need to be dealt the appropriate consequences. Perhaps those who kidnapped and killed these journalists or whatever they were see things that way. We being Americans are not always in the right.
@sartrewasamoron so, Church of Christ are not folks who name the name of Jesus? News to me. What about the hundreds (thousands?) of true christians (not to suggest the one Church of Christ member you allude to) being persecuted for their faith?
we will only be fighting them here when they COME here. So far, the few that have come here have not been acting like their cohorts over there. We have NO BUSINESS gathering up our kit and marching off to war OVER THERE as a nation. As he said. let individuals so convicted to do so head on over and sign up, jine up, arm up with whatever suits you and have at it. When our government are fomenting trouble everywhere we go (openly or covertly, and if you think we don't do both you are asleep) is WHY they are at war, and what will provoke them to come here again. Does the term "blowback" mean anything? Learn of it. Our actions as a nation have set up the furnace of conflict and afflict over there, and kindled their anger against us. It should come as no surprise if they do decide to pay us another ugly visit.
@woodcal16 can you please explain how Mc Durmon's position is "radical calvinism" or based on his teachings? Seems to me Joel is advocating a high level of individual liberty to act as one sees fit, but NOT for the corporate state to act when the trouble is "over there". Sure, when/if they are rampaging in OUR streets, we the people as a colllective will do what is necessary to repel them, per our founding documents and moral right. Defend your families, houses, goods, lands, neighbours is biblical.
But I completely fail to comprehend what Calvin and his teachings have to do with any of this, and particularly what Joel has to say.
@Don C can you be more specific in regards the details of the surgery you prescribe, and why? this is naught else than a cheap shot at Joel with no real argument or criticism. You may as well have simply said "Joel yo're an idiot". Makes as much sense, and helps as much.. How about becoming part of the discuccion?
@amiacalva he clearly covered that in his article, which it seems you failed to read and/or comprehehd. That is YOUR decision to pack up your tools of the trade and head on over to jump into the fray on whatever side you think you should. What you espouse is no different than what our government is doing with welfare... FORCING everyone to cough up and pay up so they can "redistribute" because we are all CORPORATELY responsible. No, we are not. It is never the state to take on such responsibility, it remains always to the individual. YES< feed the hungry, care for the widow and orphan, bind up the broken, etc. But those words are for YOU, and ME, as individuals. Did Paul advocate the churches fleece their flocks by force to collect for the struggling church in Jerusalem? No. They took up VOLUNTARY collections as a matter of service and convenience.. NO ONE was pressured to give, yet many gave till it hurt. They put the funds in Paul's hands to bring it to where they were needed. Individuals taking the action they felt God required of them. I know some who are physically and immediately helping in some of those places.. some by feeding, some by arming and training. But for "America" to do that is wrong. It is counter to our Constitution, counter to our principles. We as a NATION should NOT be meddling everywhere. It is largely the messes we as a natioin have created over there that is putting these Christians at risk.. going back to the time when OUR government was complicit in the illegal activity of forming those artificial "nations" in the aftermath of previous wars... deliberately forming them so as to never have any possibility of ever become a stable people or nation. Read how Iraq was formed.. it is one of dozens so "created" with our "help". THIS is what needs to end.. our government stealing OUR tax dollars and spending it by the trillions in arming, fmoenting, directing, subverting, bribing, these various factions to enable them to set at one another persecuting, perpetrating genocide, and all the rest. Read George Washington's Farewell Address as he turned over the reins of this new nation after his service as president. HE nailed it just right. WHY can't we heed his clear advice?
@MarkPA@TionicoMark, I did get yuour root point, both halves of it. Actually, in further pondering, I think the concept of USING training requirements as you suggest is pure genius. Same thing has happened in many states about driver training. I learned from my Dad, who was talking and demonstrating good driving habits since I was about twelve. HE was driving the schoolbus at fourteen, and tractors, wagon and team, long before that. Now, a Dad can't teach his own kid how to drive, that has become the purview of the state, with madatory training for all new drivers under 18. (Washington). They demanded training for drivers, now its mandated for all. Same concept.
I agree, its a hopeless battle at this stage to try and get FedGov to do and fund it. Its out of their bailiwick anyway, except pssibly as part of militia protocol. But I think that comes too late in life. Junior ROTC starts at about 16, and by then kids whould arleady be marksmen. I suppose that could be promoted at state level, maybe a few stats would go for it. But the real way to win that one is at the local level, one district at a time. It does seem, though, that such demands are bieng made at state levels, requiring so many hours of (typicaly worthless) training prior to getting your CCL, or in some wretched places, before getting your Mother May Own a Gun permit. Go ahead, we'll let you pass that as long as you start that training in midle school, make it an opt-out part of normal education. Indoor ranges with air rifles works well... the "graduation" to outdoors and powder is easy. A few hoplophobic legislators will be going apopleptic at the thought of CHILDREN actually being allowed to TOUCH those nasty things... which could only be a good thing. We'd be bereft of a few nasty congresscretins. Always a plus!!!
I know Appleseed are completely dedicated to training up as many as possible, starting as young as possible. We;ve held private shooting events at some private schools, and for Boy Scouts, FFA groups, etc.
9 months ago on A Navy SEAL Sniper’s Perspective on Firearms Ownership & The NRA in America
@MarkPA@TionicoExcellent points about training..... but I think starting at high school is over-late. I volunteer as an instructor with the Appleseed Project, a nationwide organisation teaching rifle marksmanship and Revolutionary War history. We get dozens of kids ten, eleven, twelve, on our firing lines.... they behave, learn and observe safety, and quicky become better marksmen than their Dads''' I've watched several ten and eleven year olds shoot a qualifying score on the Army Qualification Test, 210+ out of 250 possible. Watching them up front with face busting grins as they are handed their Rifleman patches, then theirn Young Patriot patches, makes the hard work easy. I know one young lad at ten to quaifly. Now he is 12, and can regulary hit what he wants to hit at 200 yards with his own Ruger 10/.22, and often scores out to four hudnred yards. Early on, when he was nine, he was on the line next to his Dad, a very experienced shooter, though not accurate enough yet. A hot brass casing flew out of Dad's eject port and landed in the crook of the young chap's elbow (all were in prone position), he wearing a short sleeved tee shirt. He screamed, jumped up, I was working the line about three shooters to his left, turned and started moving toward the noise, obviosly SOMETHING going on that could be a safety issue. The kid jumped up to standing, used his trigger hand to brush the shell casing from his other arm.... all the while maintaining PERFECT downrange muzzle control. Up to that point his Dad has insisted he use a single shot bolt action, not quite certain he'd be safe enough with a semiauto. After that happened, I offered to the Dad that I could get my Ruger 10/.22 carbine lonaer from my van and let him use that. No question that kid understood safety. If a NINE YEAR OLD can be that safe in trouble, he's not too young to properly learn how to shoot.
My Dad, when he was 12, regulary carried his .22 bolt gun with him on his horse when he went to school. Lots of the boys did. Sometimes at lunch or after school they'd have unsupervised shoot-offs and contests right out back. When he was 14, the district bought a bus... and since he liveed furthest from the school, HE drove it, dropping theother kdis off at their houses on the way out, picking them up in the morning again. He carried his trusty /22 bolt gun right up front with him. Why not? The bolt open what could happen? He'd been shooting since about six or seven along with most of his brothers and sisters. Yes, his isters were all great shots, too. One brother was a sniper in WW 11, Pacific Theater. Kids should start learnign ALL about guns as early as is safely possible. Appleseed does an incredible job of doing that. I do have to admit, though, that since Appleseed is a sing-up-and-come sort of program, and costs a littie (we're all volunteer, so the ONLY costs are administrative, for targets, sometimes range fees and target backers, that sort o fthing.. none of the instructors get a dime, but we love it) the young kids who DO come are already vetted in some good ways.. parents or uncles or lder brothers care enough to bring them along, and the kdis are eager learners. I can tell dozens of encouraging stories from my few years instructing. It gives me comfort to know thousands of people a year are getting excellent basic training in safety, gun handling, and marksmanship. AND learning our history and WHY the need to restore America to its former status as a nation of riflemen is so critical.Learning what was happening in the latter half of the eighteenth century leaves little question as to WHY each right named in our Bill of Rights is there, and written the way it is. Particularly that Second Article of Ammendment. Having endured that :long train of abuses" as they did, they would have been stupid and foolish to not do all possible to assure that train would never get put together again, in part by guaranteeding the tools necessary to stop it. And yes, training was and remains key. Training i marksmanship and the history that marksmanship made possible,
@MarkPA@flybobMark, I believe you search in vain for actual records of the Founders referencing the limitation of arms from convicted felons, insane, and on the issue fo concealed carry. On the first two categories... since other rights can, and were, removed from convicted criminals, at least for a time, it seems evident that the right to arms would also be in that same category. Now one caveat: today, many "crimes" are labelled "felony" that certainly are not. Failure to pay court orderd child support, possession of st times miniscule quaintites of certain controlled substances (the laws "controlling" them being completely unconstitutional), driving a vehicle innexcess of twenty miles anhour above the posted arbitrary speed limit, and, in my own county, anyone shooting a feral nuisance cat is guilty of a felony as well. Any of these can get one incarcerated for a long time. Or, how about this: in states that refuse to acknowledge the individual right to arms, if someone is found in possession of a firearm wihtout first having procured the state's Mother May I paperwork to BUY or POSSESS a gun, that poor sap is charged with a felony, and gun felony to boot. SO... many are "convicted felons" when that label does not suit.
Aside from that, society DO have an obligation to protect itself from predators, and disarming the two-legged variey of predator is within the purview of that intent. At least until such time as the individual no longer seems to be a threat to others in the community.
As to concealed, I don't believe the founders even considered that as a category. They said "bear", meaning to carry along with one's self as one goes about doing what one doesh. Further "arms" certainly wes not, as a term,limited to firearms. Swords, dirks, daggers, all manner of edged weapons, and anything heavy enough to be lethal as well. The dread bayonet of the Britich REgular was detachable, and often kept in a scabbard at the belt. Was this "concealed"? No, it was simply ready to hand when needed. The entire thrust of that ammendment was to assure access to any sort of weapon was not to be restricted in any way. Requiring a Mother May I bit of paper from the government "giving permission" to possess, carry, lawfully use, "arms" was unthinkable, whether said weapon was large or small, carried in the hand, on the belt, or well hidden under one's clothing, Same with any requirement for informing the government (local, state, national) that one is possessed of arms, describing which ones one owns, or, as in California's case, "registering" certain ones specifically to be used with one's state-issued Mother May P papers was ludicrous. ANY person (note well, they did not even restrict this right to "citizens" or "residents" or "men" or of any certain age. The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear.....
I do agree with a continuing campaign to incrementally improve our lot vis-a-vis restrictive laws, and our end goal must always have in view the total repeal of all of them. However, to start out stumping for that would be unwise, given we've allowed the present pass to come about. Roll those restrictions back one by one, wherever and however we can. I belive the State of Ohio is one of the best examples of this. First, possession in one's home, then the ability, permitted I must sadly say, but still.... to carry concealed on a Shall Issue basis, at first carry in a car must be unloaded, then that got changed to allow permittees to carry loaded. Inform LE whenever contacted that one is in possession, and allow LE to decide how to proceed, that got removed, no duty to inform now. Statewide preemption was enacted, making all gun laws uniform throughout the state. Cleveland fought for years, was finally shut down and forced to repeal their own city anti-gun codes I think it was about a year ago. Last session carry in places that serve alcohol was added to the list for lawful carry, though one may not drink whlist carrying in the local. Somewhere along the line, the duty to retreat was repealed. Storage requirements were done away with... over the past decade or so Ohio have come a long ways, and is one of the freest states... oh, the requirement that only certain states that bothered to negotiate reciprocity could carry in Ohio on their home permit was just signed into law, meaing anyone lawfully able to carry in their home state can now do so inOhio. LE are being trained to ask the proper questions to axcertain whether one has the legal right to carry concealed in their home state. This has been effected largely through the ocncerted and consistent work of their state firearms organisation, Buckeye Firearmns. Its been impressive to watch, and could be a great model for other states to emulate.
@Awesomeness1Thats one of the things we're trying to accomplish with the Appleseed Project... rifle marksmanship AND Revolutionary War History, all rolled up into one awesome two day event. As an instructor I've worked with kids as young as six years old... why paattention, are safe, have a ball diong it, and learn quickly. The rapidly learn how their rifle works, can clear misfeeds and misfires quickly when they happen.. AFTER waiting long enough to make sure its a misfire and not a hangfire or squib (yes, we teach what they are and how to deal with them. These young kids get it. ). If that level of marksmanship could be taucht as standard curriculum in the schools, what a difference that would make. Firearms would then be fun, safe, accurate, and we'd again have a nation of riflemen.
@SEAL76@Tionico@flybobits a pretty rare beast, but one of them can often be found at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC, except when he's off vacatinoing elsewhere on other people's money.
@SEAL76@flyboband Christie wants to replace the kinyun?His anti-gun and liberty record stinks, but HE doesn't get it. Proof he's part of the machine that needs to get decommissioned.
@MarkPA@flybob Suppose we got 10 more Constitutional-Carry States - converts from Shall-Issue. Suppose we got 9 more Shall-Issue States - converts from Won't Issue. Which would be the greater victory? BOTH. Why not? Shall Issue should be a given. It should be easy to get it so... but I admit it is not so. If the SCOTUS found, as it did in the late 19th Century, that a poll tax of a few bucks, payable before an individual could exercise their right to vote, to be an "infringement" (their word not mine) on the Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote, how much MORE the rogmarloe we now endure to acquire our mandated Mother May I papers? Licensing for other activities covers things that are NOT considered rights. What COMPELLING FedGov interest underlies those Mother May I permits? NONE. The Constitutioin carefully and explicitly says to ALL government HANDS OFF, that right is sacred, and cannot be taken away.
Now, as to violent criminals, the mentally insane.... when one perpetrates violent crime, olenty of other "rights" and "liberties" are removed from that one.. the right to freely associate, to vote, to hold public office.... to freely move about as he pleases, and, often, the right to continue to possess all his money. The right to arms is also removed, and upon the same moral basis. It is considered that government have the obligation to remove these rights, as forfeit by the criminal, as part of the exercise of the DUTY of civil government to "bear the sword" against those who do harm to others.
As to requiuring the NRA to certify or set standards for training... bad idea. They do provide a great service, but their training is far from the best. To elevate that organisation to a point of being supported by laws mandating the use of their services is to do them a disservice.. because now they will be beholden to that government mandating their services. Further, you remove the equation from the free market. It bothers me greatl that the NRA have injected themselves into the position of mandated membership in the organisation as a continuing condition of membership in most all private ranges. They already are far short of the performance I expect of them. HOW is it they rated the Harry Reid from Nevada so highly, and failed to support good csndidates in other races that were important? Their rating of late is deplorable. Don't favour mediocre performance by subsidising it, requiring their services as a condition of our exercising our right to arms Let NRA EARN their preeminance again by serving not only their members but the nation as a whole far more powerfully than they do not.
@MarkPAANY move of Congress to fund anything like you suggest is NOT acceptible. First, FedGov have NO authority for such things. I'd strongly support a move by the military to "dispose" of arms no longer needed because the illegal standing army we have is being dismantled. Those weapons can go to states, or, through the CMP, to schools at little or no cost, along with MilSurp ammo, to be used for training purposes for the students. Of course, when the militia really MEANT something, all males from about 16 or so were part of it... training, marksmanship, drill, survival, all that stuff is what the militia tranied for. ALL laws at FedGov level relating to "education" in any way are illegal. FedGov have NO authority there, either.
If we're going to go get all COnstitutioinal,. lets GET Constitutional. Until we actually put that document to work for about fifry years, any claims its no good or doesn't work are naught but hot air.
Now, nothing says serious traning in tactics, military history, weapons and the handling of them (IINCLUDING lots of live fire) can't be part of any state or local area's curriculum. But leave FedGov OUT of it. Wouldjya put the foxes in charge of training and equippng the chickens in the chickenhouse? Of course not. They've a vested interest in keeping them critters well subdued. And trained THEIR way.
I'd oppose an exclusive status for NRA in the training department. Many other systems are in place, and are at least as effecitve. Appleseed is unequalled in rifle marksmanship training, and is by far the cheapest out there.. $40 for a weekend of the best live fire training anywhere. Front Sight, OFA, and many others are equall valid. To exclude all the other valid and accessible means of training from even shooting on a gun range is wrong. NRA are great, but far from the best, or only. Let each range det their own standards... and I know of many who wholeheartedly support and recognise Appleseed. If NRA want to maintain "density" in the training business, fine.. let them earn it by supplying better and more affordable training. SO far, their prodiucts have not convinced me to vote with MY wallet. Relinquish their exclusive hold on "mandatory training" and go back to EARNING it with superior products at better prices. Let the Free Market validate their training.
issues here arethe result of New Jersey's corrupt government and a
population who have gone to sleep and ALLOWED their state government to
violate their FEDERAL rights under the Constitution. Don't try and
reduce the rest of us to the low level of NJ. I will not even visit that
state, nor New York. I refuse to subject myself to their laws, nor will
I spend a dime to support such tyrannical regimes as your two state
Back to parsing the words of the Second
Article of Ammendment: the SUBJECT of the entire sentence is the word
"right". The VERB is "infringe", with two critical modifiers: the
negative, and the future imperative "shall be". The root of the entire
Article is "right (shall not be" infringed". All other words are
descriptive, set the stage, explain why..
As to the
term "arms", research into the language wod word meanings of that time
indicate "arms" refers to any weapon, of militray grade, capable of
being transported and deployed by one person. THus, nuclear subs are not
"arms", nor is the modern tank., warship, etc. However, BMG 50,
Bazookas, grenade lanuchers, shoulder fired AA missles, all are arms.
@Zenphamy ON "abortiin rights", your point fails at the termination of the right of that not yet born child. HIS life is protected, prior to and independly of any of our documents. It is certainly NOT a "natural right" to terminate the life of anoher without just cause AND due process, neither of which are in place when a woman or anyone else kills her unborn child.
Modern gun contrl began in the SOUth, during Recontstruction post-bellum, and was instituted to disarm freed negro slaves. Many of those laws were town, some county, some even at state level. NONE failed to infringe upon the right to arms guaranteed ALL men as pre-existing our Founding Documents. If a right is given by God, and preexists the document recognising and guaranteeing it, it is a safe thing to say it cannot be restricted (infringed) by government at ANY level, except for cause, and by due process, on an individual basis.
Later modern gun control came in New York City through a corrupt mayor (SUllivan?) who got laws passed to give HIS gang boys the advantage under the law. Since the cops were in HIS back pocket, any of HIS guys could do anything and not be charged. Any NOT his would go to jail for the same things. Convenient, no? And rotten.
Your point on nuclear and naval weapons is a valid one, and needs greater recognition.
I do have to agree with you, as well, that the false logic of "reasonable" arguments and restrictions is just that.. false. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means just that. Not for ANY reason. (there ARE valid reasons to restrict individuals who have proven themselves untrustworthy, a danger to society, and/or themselves, by actual conduct, observed and provable in a court of law. This insanity of government constumed armed thugs coming round and stealing a man's guns because his ten year old kid said something goofy at school is flat wrong, and MUST be stopped. Same with a man being forced to surrender his right to arms because his wife decides to divorce him and files a complaint for a restraining order as a matter of course (the lawyers encourage this sort of slime) when he's made no threat whatever, has moved two states away, and has no intention of coming round and messing with her.... but he still loses his right to arms, no chance to protest. Done deal. THAT is as wrong as the guy who wilfully stalks her to "get even" and assaults her. One is a physical assault, the other a civil assault. The latter should be prohibited.
1 year, 5 months ago on The Founders and the 2nd Amendment
I, too, disagree wiht the narrow interpretation of "arms", and the word "bear". Arms would have lincuded anything individuals and/or militia could practically make use of in defending against tyranny or invasion. Certainly this would include cannon, even larger pieces than the four pounders destroyed at Concord. Later in the day, the reinforcements fromBoston deployed a pair of field pieces against the Colonials.... had they been able to "bear" them, I've no doubt they would have brought similar fieldpieces into play in their driving off the tyrants. Further, it is also well documented that a number of privately owned and oerated ships were employed against the British, particularly along the New England coast, sinking a few British naval vessels, and destroying others. IF (and I believe it is) part of the purpose of the Second is to preserve the right of individuals and state militia to stand against tyrants, foreign and/or domestic, I would have to believe the right to own and use appropriate ships would be preserved as well. If things go crazy today, can you imagine a small, fast inshore seaboat, crewed by skilled seamen, armed with perhaps AR 10,s, FN AR, M 14, M1 Garand, maybe even a BMG 50, harrying patrol boats of a government gone mad with power, perhaps sinking or commandeering a few of them? I can..... and believe it would be wel within the meaning of the Second Article of Ammendment. If I owned such a vessel, and were in an area where it could stand against runaway government vessels, I'd not hesistate, Second or not. Once tyranny explodes into the mainstream, as it could, anything goes. The single goal at that point will be to remove them from power, and assure they cannot operate again, ever. Hmmm.. that is precisely what the Patriots had as their goal in 1775, isn't it? Nothing spared to drive the tyrannical Brits off these shores, and then wrote the Constitution wiht Ammendments to assure such tyranny cannot return. But oh my, in spite of their care against such an eventuality, it certainly appears unacceptible tyranny is coming upon us. WHY ELSE would "they" be so solid about removing the most common, and effective, means of repelling such a usurpation of power? ANd what would we NOT use, if available, to end such tyranny? Who cares what France, Britain, Cyprus, Egypt, Iran, or the "sacrosanct" United Nations might think? I certailnly don't. Nor will a few millions of other patriots.
@BrianHeise point wel made.. one minor correction, the tax on the tea was far less than five percent.. it amounted to about a penny the pound, a fraction of one percent. Worse, the tea in question was ancient stuff, foisted upon the colonies by the government-chartered British East INdia Tea Company, essentiialy an arm of the Crown, fiurther, the tax was ONLY on tea destined for yankee tea sellers. Tory tea merchants had their own stocks, fresher, higher quality, and untaxed, at very favourable prices. No wonder that tea was had overside and into the bay... though by that time the main motive was to free the patriot owned three ships holding the tea, and which would not unload until the tax was paid.. thus, the livelihood of the shipowners and crew (bound for shares, not a salary) was in view. The colonies each were founded under direct charter from the Crown, and had self-rule as one of their conditions of existence. Soon enough, the crown usurped full control, against the terms of those charters. SO, the colonies threw off their overlord, formed a new central government with VERY limited powers, retaining self-rule in all others. We see how that works today in that the overarching central government now reigns over every aspect of our individual lives... contrary to our "charter", the COnstitution. Montanans are merely attempting to retain self-rule in one small area in a matter already clearly under the self-determination of each individual. Let us hope the PEOPLE of Montana speak loudly and often to their legislators, who then over-ride the governor's veto, telling him no, even HELL NO, we will NOT allow ourselves to be subject to unconstitutioinal federal control. Perhaps Montana will be the Boston of the 1770's?
1 year, 5 months ago on Montana Governor Lies About the Constitution, Vetoes 2nd Amendment Protection Bill – Tenth Amendment Center
How about a new version of this, requiring Montana LEA to refuse to help the FedGov enforce ANY federal level laws conflicting with Montana state law.. such as medical marijuana, their own Firearms Freedom Act, speed laws, EPA regulations conflicting with Montana state law, state stock and wildlife laws, etc. This guy forgets it is the STATES that ceded very limited power to FedGov, retaining all other powers for itself and its people. NOWHERE is the power to limit in any way our right to arms, or to put into our bodies any substance, given to FedGov. Thus, any such laws are non-binding at state level anyway. Seems this is what SCOTUS have decided in the cases cited in this article.
Let us hope the two houses of legislature in Montana over-ride this veto. THAT will send a strong message to their governor. Perhaps he will become a tad wiser in this event.
@Brusckey and all these are right out of Karl Marx' playbook on how to turn a country socialist/communist. One main item is to destroy the family by easy divorce, contraception, abortion, abandonment of marriage (co-habiting being the current euphemism), getting Moms out of the house and into the factory/office, daycare to replace Mum, making sex a casual thing rather then sacred and reserved for marriage, homosexuality, and related ills.
1 year, 6 months ago on Obama Seeking to Criminalize Biblical Concept of Marriage
@BushMaster63 the things of which you accuse our political leadaers are misdirected. The ones who have shown "slience, cowardice, and inaction" are US. This is a government OF the people, and BY the people. It is NOT a government by political leaders. If they don't pass the laws WE want, it is OUR responsibility to dump them next election (and no, don't go whining aobut term limies.. WE are the term limiters, not some law) The Supreme COurt pased Roe vs Wade... and we've done nothing to overturn or undo that. WHY? Refer to your three reasons above. That's why. How many "decent christians" voted for Romney, a man who supports abortin in some circumstances. One is either pro life in ALL situatioins, or anti life. Romney was a waffler, a vote-getter. Glad he lost. It would have just been kicking the can down the road eight more years. Now, things are coming to a ehad, and we lazy, silent Yanks are being stirred, at long last, to action.
One seemingly minor, but very significant quibble: you refer to our rights as given us by the COnstitution. This is wrong. The Constitutiion does two things, in the main: puts restrictions and responsibilities on the national government, and identifies certain of our rights, guaranteeing them to us as preexisting and from our Creator. If they are "given by" the Constitution, then they can be taken away. NEVER allow this misconception to stand. It thus puts the Constitution as the source and controller of our rights, the ones God gave us. That document is subordinate to our God. Never forget that. Seems small.. but really that's HUGE.
@MarkMatis true enough. I hadn't "caught" that the use was for LSU promotion, thus "commercial". I can take a photo of Queen Decadent as she pours hereself out of her Rolls at kerbside Hollywood, and sell that image to the Irrational Blabbermouth for money. BUT.. and I skate. Its called "f/8 and be there" in the trade. HOWEVER, once I take that image and use it to sell my soap, I MUST get her release.. and fat chance of THAT ever happening. Your assessment IS quite accurate...... its the use that determines the need for the release. I can imagine these PP guys filing a grievance, demanding compensation, but perhaps waiving the compensation demand if LSU decide to remake the advert with the UN-"shopped" image. If they want to use the "shopped" image, then make them pay. A lot..... and file a complaint for unlawful use of their recognisable likelnesses for commercial purposes.
1 year, 10 months ago on LSU Anti-Christian PhotoShopped Image
@MarkMatis Being on private property, that is, in the stadium at the time of the event, circumvents the need for model releases for the subjects. Its sort of akin to it bieng legal to "stalk" "stars" in public places... any image snagged on or from a public place needs no release. Same deal with photographing law enforcement in the persuit of their occasional nefarious deeds. They try and arrest folks for videotaping them beating an already noncombative individual on the street or piblic sidewalk, but since they themselves are also in the public place, their complaint is groundless... they merely desire to sheid themselves from the consequences of their unlawful actioins.
depending on WHO created the original image, there may be legal recourse for editing a created work without permission. If LSU staff too the original photo, no recourse, it is theirs. If the Painted Posse somehow is owner of the image, they'd have recourse along these lines. In any case, just one more incident of discrimination against some identifiable group.
Remember, one of Karl Marx' tools for takeover is to divide the target population into factions, on any lines possible, then set those factions against each other until total chaos results. THEN the marxist socialist perverts can come in and "offer the solution" to the "problem" they have created, gain the confidence of the now-splintered population, and take over without firing a shot. One more instance of precisely this battle tactic being emplyed.
seems I recall some guy thinking he'd try and be president.... had as his main schtick that all bills would have to be authorised under the Constitution or he'd veto them. He also figgered he'd set about taking apart a few of the federal alphabet soup agencies... those with no constitutional basis, like EPA, Ed, Ag, DHS, FDA.. the Fed..... When he was done with that, he'd start taking a look at different programmes to see whether THEY had any authority under the Constitution.. like farm subsidies, the DEA, federal welfare, school lunches, Obamatax... if they didn't he'd end them. Oh, almost forgot.. he'd surely end foreign aid payments. BUT.. the media and the party shills running the show (there is only really ONE party, but it has two heads) decided he was unelectable. Too bad. I reallly believe that guy was in OUR corner, having a solid understanding that no government can rule without the consent of the governed. He'd read that on some old piece of paper he came across somewhere... thought it was a good idea.
Hmph..... now, I suppose we'll just have to pick up his banner and slog through making these things happen anyway. Oh well....
1 year, 11 months ago on James Madison: putting principle over pragmatism
@unaffiliated The state "enjoys" collective bargaining for the people who comprise that state no more or less than the negotiators for any other corporation enjoy collective bargaining on behalf of workers, shareholders, suppliers, etc. In both cases, the few negotiate on behalf of, and for the benefit of, many more. In the case of unions, they do the same... except unions enjoy a monopoly of force in that they have exclusive "rights", or power, to supply the labour for the employing entity, whether private, corporate, or government. The "entity" should be able to negotiate with anyone it chooses, but the union, once in power, denies anyone else the right to negotiate with the entity. The Taft Hartley anti-monopoly laws should preclude the unions holding such a monopoly over the available labor forces. Nothng "forces" the union to negotiate with the hiring entity. However, the union forces the entity to negotiate with it, and ONLY it. Lopsided is one word that fits, tyrannical is another. This judge needs to have his head examined, in which process he must be found unfit to hold his office, and debenched. I hope Governor Walker and the People of Wisconsin persue such actions.
1 year, 12 months ago on One Judge Overturns the Wishes of the Voters in Wisconsin
@NavyJR @ElderAl Testing has proven bullet holes in the skin of an airliner are minimal problems... certainly far less lethal than hijackers commandeering the craft and flying it into a building, or than people aboard trying to scatter their family jewels. Nearly all who carry concealed are well aware of things like the path of their fired rounds, types of bullet and their performance on impact/penetration, etc. The record of private citizens is far better, in both numbers and percentages, than "trained" LEO. To wit: a recent shootemup in Bollmie's turf wherein the LEO on the scene fired seventeen rounds, six of them hitting the perp, and nine innocent bystanders getting hit with the rest. Bloomie: "only the trained professinals are qualified to handle firearms". An airliner, even at altitude, having its outer skin penetrated by a stray round will easily make it to its destination. The passengers may well have to use the on board oxygen masks, making the trip a tad tedious, but ending well.
2 years ago on Why Are Republicans Whitewashing the TSA?
TSA should also be put in charge of "security" for people like presidents........ yep, the same cheerful, friendly, efficient, helpful, thorough, diligent, well trained personnel we all have to deal with at the airports should be the ones "riding shotgun" whenever the Prez goes anywhere. Hey, if its good enough for us, it MUST be good enough for our fearless leader, right?
@nancylk I'll take the uscreened aircraft, and since it is unscreened, the handgun that is ALWAYS on my waist will be aboard in case anyone gets funny. If ten percent of the rest of the passengers do likewise, it will be far safer than the TSA screened craft the public is now required to fly. Remember, TSA either failed to check, or missed when they did check, in every instance of note wherein some aircraft was "compromised". The "shoe bomber", the "panty bomber", etc. By the bye, standard boarding screening on 11 September 2001 included metal detectors. TSA have yet to interdict one proven terrorist, and have let many dangerous weaons into passenger cabins in spite of their screening. I ahve seen this with my own eyes.
reminds me of the oldest lie in the universe... "I will ascend, I will be like God". It didn't work out so well for that rebel, did it? It won't for this one either, long term. His day of reckoning will come. And he will realise just WHO that God is whom he attempts to usurp. He, together with his hand-picked minions.
2 years, 3 months ago on The Secret Kill List
Anyone who has ever bothered to READ our Constitution already knows this. We are "represented" by a tyrant, and I can only hope enough astute people will realise this by November and give HIM his waling papers. Perhaps, once he's gone and the Constitution is restored to its rightful place, he can be brought up on charges. Had any nazi operatives conducted themselves as this kinyun has of late, they'd have been tried and convicted at Nurenburg. And this individual swore an oath to uphold the Constitution? Liar.......