No offense taken. Our guild consists of very casual and laid back raiders. We give our 85's a chance to get their feet wet within the guild rather than having to pug outside because they may not be the leet to make the more successful teams And as such we teach raid awareness and have precepters who will then work with individuals needing help with dps and charecter development to become better raiders while still getting to understand the fights and put new skills and techniques into practice where it counts. We find the overall results create a closer bond with guild as a whole without the pressure to be in the top spots. As I've said at the start. We're big yes but we're casual and try keeping everyone active and learning. Hence 6 raid groups. We're not slouches we're at 34 in realm progress May sound shabby to some but we're proud of our accomplishments. If ppl want to be hard core we encourage them and assist them as much as possible and get them in touch with those guilds where we can. It's about player satisfaction and comfort zones :) and as a thought to ponder... Keeping 550 players involved (we went up again lol) is more exciting and brings out the best in them instead of having only a handfull of super raiders which may make others in the guild feel left out of oportunities and less important to the guild in general.