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@GordonMoody You think Jeff Kent, J.D. Drew, and Russell Martin were swell guys?
My favorite Dodger was Davey Lopes, yet I always heard he was "difficult".
Who cares, as long as the team is fine with him and they win?
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@ThtsaPaddlin None. NYM.
@JohnM @The_Real_Paul Mark my words, you are both wrong. Good news on both fronts.
Victorino hustles and plays defense. If his name was Matt Kemp and he went after a Philiie pitcher, everyone would have had his back.
I like this order:
LF Victorino, 2B Ellis, CF Kemp, RF Ethier, 3B Ramirez, 1B Loney/Rivera, SS Cruz, C Ellis, Pitcher
a lot more than this one:
2B Ellis, LF Rivera/Abreu, CF Kemp, RF Ethier, 3B Ramirez, 1B Loney, SS Cruz, C Ellis, Pitcher
@EephusBlue Cubs could just keep him and sign him for a year. Or offer him arbitration and take a draft pick when he signs elsewhere.
@Cadtalfryn Down the stretch and into the playoffs, it is always a good thing to have plenty of arms. So yes, especially if he doesn't cost much.
that being said, you have to score runs consistently to win, and Dodgers need to upgrade at 1B or LF or both. LF seems easier to do, so i vote for that position. And Loney at least plays defense, unlike Rivera and Abreu.
@Gilbert_Venge I'll be there...early!
@Gilbert_Venge I am in the extreme minority, I know, but the Piazza trade wasn't as bad as many have remembered. From an emotional standpoint, sure. Piazza was a favorite. But he was a bad defensive catcher and there were "rumors" about how he got so good so fast. And he supposedly (but who knows if it is true) turned down a big contract from the Dodgers and wound up signing a 7 year, $91M deal with the Mets. That was a lot of money.
Gary Sheffield was the most dangerous RH hitter in the game. He hit 34, 43, and 36 HR's in his 3 full seasons with the Dodgers, and 16 in 90 games after the trade. He hit .316, .301, .325, and .311 in those years. So it's not like the Dodgers got nothing in return.
And not long after the trade, Paul LoDuca had a few good years.
I didn't like WHY the trade was made, but the Dodgers didn't exactly get hosed in it, either.
@Dang88 He hasn't this year, but that me just a fluke. He has hit .252 in his career against LHP. Still not nearly as good as he hits against RHP, but not as bad as this year.
@Omer @davstein48 Wow, he took offense at being thrown at?
Matt Kemp lollygagged around for an entire season. Andre Ethier spent the last couple years whining about his contract and whether or not he would be on the Dodgers in a year or so. Those are things that actually MATTER.
Being a good teammate matters more than you or I liking the player, unless you don't care about winning.
I don't think Victorino is a dick - He has been honored for his charity work by getting the Phiilie's Branch Rickey award.
Let bygones be bygones. It's not like he killed anyone.
Whatever the Dodgers do, I hope it doesn't involve Morneau. He may be on his way back after dealing with severe concussions, but you don't pay a guy $5M this year and $14M next year while waiting for that to happen.
Dodgers need to get guys that are bankable upgrades over what we have now. Loney hasn't done much, but I have to believe there are better options, unless the Twins want to pay all of his salary. And if that was the case, why would they trade him?
@JohnM @Gilbert_Venge rumors have been that Indians may trade Cabrera. He makes about $7M and Dee makes about $500,000
@Gilbert_Venge They want ML players with less than 3 years service (i.e. under team control). Dee Gordon? Josh Lindblom?
@el serracho @Mike Petriello @kempsbat To whom is Victorino a dickwad?
As long as a player gets along with his teammates, big deal if he rubs you the wrong way. I'm sure there have been a lot of dickwads that played for the Dodgers - you and I just didn't know it.
@LakerDodger24 But Ellis can actually PLAY second base, and Ellis is doing fine as a #2 hitter.
@Gilbert_Venge According to KPIX last night, they had traded for Pence.
@LakerDodger24 Soriano can't play 2nd, and even if he could, why would they play him over Ellis?
@ericmacknight @davstein48 @GordonMoody Forgetting 9if we can) contact length and price, I'd rather have Soriano stepping to the plate than Abreu or Rivera. And as bad a rap he gets on his defense, he can't be worse than either of the other two.
If Cubs are willing to pay for most of his contract, I'd take him and maybe trade him to someone like Boston in the offseason.
Dodgers need a place for Puig to play next year, right!
@GordonMoody Has to relieve - no time to build up enough arm strength to throw 80-100 pitches. But next year could be sweet.
@LakerDodger24 @Deuce Why don't you look at what Dodgers leadoff hitters are doing this year. .322 OBP is pretty good compared to what we've been getting.
Splits like this are overrated to me. A player actually only is assured of hitting "leadoff" once a game if hitting 1st in the lineup. I just want a fast guy that gets on base hitting in front of Kemp/Ethier/Ramirez. I don't want Loney or Rivera hitting 2nd.
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind Ramirez hitting leadoff, especially if the Dodgers get someone like Soriano or Aramis Ramirez.
@JohnM I'm all for that. On my list, taking everything into consideration, he is #1, Victorino #2, Pence #3, Soriano #4
@ericmacknight @davstein48 @GordonMoody Long term, yes , you would rather have a young guy vs. an old guy on the way down.
Victorino isn't "an old guy" - he is 31. And Sands isn't really "young" - he will be 25 in September.
Hanley Ramirez dropped off a lot this year and last - nearly 100 points in batting average - but that doesn't mean he is washed up.
Soriano, Victorino, Choo, Pence - these are guys that can help us score more runs this year and a least a few years into the future. I'm not sure what Sands can do, and that isn't the type of player I want to insert into a starting lineup down the stretch.
@Deuce Selling our souls? Don't be so dramatic!
I've never heard any of Victorino's teammates complain about him. He has produced and played on winning teams.
I have heard about Hanley Ramirez' teammates criticize him, and he has played on some losing teams. But he will get a heroes welcome tonight at Dodger Stadium.
Victorino's spark, defense in LF, and ability to leadoff is much needed. Unless you like Ellis and Rivera hitting in front of Kemp, Ethier, and Ramirez.
@GordonMoody @davstein48 @wdevil67 How do you know that?
Russell Martin always struck me as kind of a d!ck, but as long as he was a good teammate and produced, who cares.
I've never heard any of Victorino's teammates complain about him. Hanley Ramirez was supposedly a prima donna and lollygagger. Who is complaining about him?
@GordonMoody @ericmacknight Sands? Really?
The Dodgers are trying to win a division and go deep into playoffs. They already are playing an overachieving guy at SS. Although it would be hard for Sands to do less than Abreu/Rivera, Victorino, Soriano, Choo, etc. would provide a much needed lift offensively.
As Dodger fans, we don't like Victorino because he played on a team that beat us in back-to-back NLCS and he was in the middle of a bases-clearing incident when Hiroki Kuroda's pitch buzzed him.
He is scrappy, and had he played on the Dodgers, he would be a fan favorite.
It is foolish to not want him because of this. I've been saying for months that LF concerned me even more than 1B/3B because at least we had players that could plat defensively at those positions. But we have been playing poor defenders (Abreu/Rivera) that can't hit in LF most of the time.
Get Victorino and get him now!