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@Yaknowwhat @Rhaegar_ Oh, perhaps I misspoke. I understand it perfectly. What I don't understand is how other people still don't have a clue.
2 months, 1 week ago on Game Review: Game #19, Nashville Predators 9, Toronto Maple Leafs 2
@Yaknowwhat When I look at the roster and ask myself who is providing the least bang for their cap hit, Dion ranks pretty far down that list. I'm a Lupul fan, but his 5.25M seems to be of very little assistance to us. Robidas is making 3M to be a massive liability. Even if you say Phaneuf is only worth 5M, that 2M overpayment is still peanuts compared to the wasted cap we have elsewhere. I don't understand why he would be the target of cap moves.
@Yaknowwhat @Rhaegar_ Far worse. A 4th line center for what is at worst, a top 4 D?
Think about Phaneuf in terms of what it would cost to replace him. If you move him, it's just Gardiner and Rielly stepping into harder positions, and at some point down the road, you're probably going to waste 5M on someone like Orpik to round out that group. Sure, Dion is overpaid at 7M, but he's still worth at least 5M, probably 6. The difference between him and the next overpaid guy we're going to replace him with is, is tremendous, in terms of talent.
I am not in the least opposed to moving Phaneuf, but the goal then has to be to make the team very bad for a period of time. People who expect to improve by making any move with Phaneuf are kidding themselves.
@Yaknowwhat So we take on an even worse contract, and also eat salary?
@Yan28 @Rhaegar_ I don't particularly care for Phaneuf, but the ignorance regarding his mobility and the willingness to blame him for everything is revealing a pretty low collective intelligence on the matter. We've seen this story play out before in Toronto though, sadly. In the end, the frothing at the mouth fans will get their way, to the benefit of another team.
I'm tired of hearing people who have no clue what they're talking about comment on heart and leadership from the comfort of their basement. Now that's pathetic.
@Yan28 @Rhaegar_Phaneuf may have been bad in that game, but a couple mistakes is not worthy of the ignorant bile launched at Phaneuf. Frankly, the site's obsession with this topic is getting embarrassing.
@Yan28 Phaneuf is somehow an even player in a 9-2 blowout loss and we are bashing him today, of all days? Wow. A new low.
@gjdevlin It's the mental part of hockey. We thought we'd have a cake walk against Boston after getting our game together against the Islanders and watching them lose Chara. Meanwhile, they got together and decided to rally in the absence of their captain. That contrast led to a lopsided result.
Similarly, we had something to prove against Buffalo, and they were so proud of themselves for beating San Jose in a tightly contested game. They saw us as a winnable game, and likely let their guard down. Again, the contrast led to lopsided results. Same with the Boston / Buffalo game last night. Boston is thinking that if the Leafs hammered the Sabres, they will too - and suddenly find themselves in a dog fight with a team that needs to bounce back.
You have to treat every opponent like a champion and approach every game the same way. All the players say that, but none of them really do it.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Friday Mashup: Percy recalled, Game Day in Columbus
@dlb Mad Their season started a month before he got there.
2 months, 4 weeks ago on Thursday Mashup: Leafs face banged-up Blue Jackets tomorrow
@wendelsfist @wiski A broken foot is a little different than muscle issues, where the players can easily self diagnose and have to make their own decision on playing.
@GreekGod @DeclanK @hockeyanalysis What they should have done is benched Panik and gone with 7D. Carlyle doesn't use his 4th line anyways.
3 months, 1 week ago on Thursday Mashup: Leafs Analytics Tools On Display, Lupul hurt
NHL.com has an article up about Brock Nelson. It gives me a little more faith in our management if I consider that we were rumored to be trying to trade Reimer for him. That would have been a nice deal, and probably pretty fair for both sides. Nelson probably wouldn't be lighting it up here like he is there, as he gets PP time with Tavares (who is also making Boychuk into a 50 point guy this season, by the looks of things), but he's a solid player. Nice target, if the rumors were true.
@hockeyanalysis @DeclanK I think Gardiner is an interesting player in that the numbers obviously don't tell the whole story.
@DeclanK Damn. Just as we're getting rolling on that line.
It seems pretty clear to me that Carlyle really likes Gardiner. It sounds like he's stuck up for him during the low times, and we know he gives him a ton of minutes to try and redeem himself. In the Pittsburgh game, I believe he led the D in minutes, or was near the top. It's not as though Carlyle is being fickle about his decision here. Gardiner is a good young D, but he was making too many mistakes and reading the play too slowly. The decision to bench him was totally reasonable.
3 months, 1 week ago on Wednesday Mashup: Back to .500
@GreekGod @deedrag Yea, but I'm not quite sure why this is treated like a ridiculous comparison. For all we know, he just meant that he likes to be a rover on the PP, in which case the comparison is quite appropriate.
@deedrag @Burtonboy Pretty sure he just means there are three guys who have experience coaching a team.
@king leary So why would they do it with Kadri then?
3 months, 1 week ago on Game Review: Game #4, Toronto Maple Leafs 3 vs. Colorado Avalanche 2 (OT)
@Potcy @Rhaegar_ I think he's fine if he isn't asked to defer to Kessel. Let him get up a head of steam and he seems to have no probelm gaining the zone. He just isn't very good at passing to players who are in motion while he's also in motion.
But I agree generally that our PP does some strange things. Why not have Gardiner or Rielly carry the puck in? That's one of their best traits. Sometimes I feel like we set our players up for failure. "Here Dion, you do this thing that others are better suited for, and for Godsake don't set-up for the one-timer".
@Mcost61 @Rhaegar_ @Chris Jay I'd be more willing to pay a price for someone younger and then revisit Staal talks in the summer. SImilar to the way Dallas picked up Seguin, then got Spezza on the cheap.
@Potcy They did change it last night. He was faking the pass to Kessel and then feeding it to someone entering the zone on the fly. It didn't work immediately, but they got the hang of it by the end of the game, thanks to us having 5 PP chances.
@TorontoMapleLeafs @mtommy They may not have a choice. They have twice disputed money with him, and he purposely signed his last deal to bring him to free agency.
@Mcost61 @Chris Jay Aaron Ward said last night that Toronto is the only team that Staal would waive his clause for, believe it or not.
@Forever17 @Mcost61 @skiingallday Pointless debate anyways as Phaneuf is almost certainly not going to want to move to a franchise even further behind than the Leafs.
@Burtonboy Very similar to us last year, except their luck lasted the whole season. They also had Stastny, who is a very good match-up center who allowed Duchene/O'Reilly and MacKinnon to wreak havoc offensively. I think Iginla will struggle to fit in with guys who create offense largely with their speed. Stastny is going to be a big blow. I also have my doubts as to whether Varlamov can continue playing as he did last year.
3 months, 3 weeks ago on Thursday Mashup
Curious to see how Chicago handles their cap crunch. If they could lose Leddy for a pick without taking back any salary, they'd have a shade under 600K in cap space, and could just run a 22 man roster.
@Burtonboy Do we know who is going to be on it yet? Anthony said it was a surprise.
@Yan28 @Burtonboy Questioning who he plays with isn't an excuse.
4 months ago on Wednesday Mashup: Undefeated Pre-Season Leafs Head To Ottawa
4 months, 1 week ago on Thursday Mashup: Feschuk drops bomb, camp opens with physicals and media day
@FloorHockeyFlopper @Rhaegar_ @wiski Thanks.
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Spencer Abbott signs one-year deal
@wiski At what point does he talk about Kessel?
@LN-093 @.JVR. It's pretty good that they compensated you. They could have just said "too bad, so sad". I'd take Marlies tickets as an apology.
@CanuckUKinToronto The conversation has been pretty strong though.
@Yaknowwhat @Rhaegar_ @ingy56 @mcloki Yea, on both sides of the equation you have some pretty big obstacles.
@Yaknowwhat @ingy56 @mcloki At the same time, there's no guarantee a new franchise in Toronto would be anywhere near as successful. Leaf fans are too invested to just swap allegiances. I really don't know who would fork over the money required to bring the team here on the gamble that it might be a second MLSE. It could be a flop. Not a flop in the sense that it wouldn't make money, but a flop in the sense that paying 1-2B for it would be a gigantic over-payment.
@.JVR. @Rhaegar_ Lupul will be traded in time. I doubt he finishes his contract here.
@.JVR. @Rhaegar_ 2, or possibly 3, depending on how much experience he gains.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ I know, and to be fair, last year was the most forgivable. I feel like I still would have traded Raymond at the very least. These decisions wouldn't have existed if we hadn't made errors before though. Like I said, the situation really snow-balled because of some initial miscalculations. I think we have to be a little more ruthless about what constitutes being successful enough to not be sellers at the deadline.
@dlb Mad @.JVR. We own his rights for six more years minimum. There's no rush. He has played one season of pro hockey.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ Well, this year we didn't make the playoffs anyways, and passed on trading Raymond, Kulemin and McClement. I doubt their absence would have been missed, and for all we know, increased (forced) ice time for Holland and Ashton may have been a boost.
The year prior, you could make a case that trading MacArthur leaves us outside the playoffs, but if trading a piece that you deemed not worth having destroys our chances at the playoffs, isn't that further proof we should be thinking macro, and moving on from him?
The year prior to that is really when the big decisions were made that set everything else in motion. Burke kept everyone in the hopes they could turn it around, and in the end, created the snowball effect for all the future decisions on those players.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ It doesn't kill me either on an individual basis, but when it's 2 or 3 guys every year, it starts to add up. Imagine if we had those 3 first rounders in the system right now instead of nothing. Nothing about roster would be different except that we'd have 3 assets extra, of notable value.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ I know that you can sort of explain all the circumstances that resulted in those decisions making sense in the moment they were made. What I'm saying is that the organization probably needs to take a more macro-view of their dealings while they're in a stage of being playoff hopefuls, so that you don't ever find yourself having to make those decisions to begin with.
In 2012, this might have looked like: "Well, we've been in a tailspin for a month and our goalie is still injured, and everyone hates the coach. We've got offers on the table for our whole 2nd line. We're no where near the Cup. Take them." Or maybe you keep one of them in that situation (likely the center), but you don't just keep moving forward with everyone until they leave you for nothing.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ Okay, well maybe I'll adapt the analogy to say you just decide to give your house away to the first buyer who offers you exactly what you paid for it (or less), and forget about the equity you've accrued.
@dlb Mad @Rhaegar_ The analogy makes even more sense when you consider that. That's exactly the point. Just because you have outgrown something doesn't mean you discard it and take out a second mortgage. We invested in those pieces, and then got nothing for them.
You might have a point on the contracts/cap stuff, if we had adequately replaced any of these players. Not only do we have nothing to show for developing them into NHL talents and allowing them to gain league wide recognition resulting in 20M dollar deals getting done - but we also have no suitable replacements for them. There is still no one to fill Grabovski's role. We hope that Holland can do it, but we have no idea - he may not even make the team. We're hoping MacArthur can be replaced by Booth or Santorelli, but MacArthur has been better then them year after year for some time now. We have no choice but to hope Clarkson can be a winger replacement for someone like Kulemin.
I guess you might argue pretty successfully that a guy like Winnik is an upgrade on Colborne, but that's about it.
@LeafsGuru @Rhaegar_ @dlb Mad Yes, but we were offered a pick and a prospect for him the previous year and kept him despite the tailspin. And buying him out with an amnesty after his worst season ever was still not wise. Why not give him another year and then use the amnesty if you have to? if he has a better year, you can trade him, or retain a little salary and trade him.
I didn't want to pay Kulemin 4M - I wanted to trade him to one of the teams who did want him. Again, if he's getting 16M somewhere, than teams were willing to pay for him. We were offered a 1st round pick for him in 2012, and last year Dreger said it would take literally no effort to move Kulemin to a contender. Granted, it's Dreger, but still, good defensive forwards are strong commodities at the deadline.
Colborne was not a circumstance of lower cap, he was a circumstance of cap mismanagement. The only reason Chicago couldn't afford Niemi is because they won the Cup and Toews and Kane received max bonuses on their ELC's - the only players to ever achieve that. We couldn't do it because of poor decision making forcing us to run a roster 3 men short.
@LeafsGuru @Rhaegar_ @dlb Mad If you get a raise at work and suddenly you are ready to move into a larger home, would you just give the old one away for nothing because you don't want it anymore anyways? That's just a really lame excuse for bad management. So you didn't like Grabovski - great. He's not everyone's cup of tea. Fact is, other NHL teams have now paid him almost 25M dollars since we bought him out. MacArthur has about 20M since we let him go. Kulemin 16M. Colborne has a new contract and will get a shot at the top six this year. These guys had value. Whether you wanted them or not, they were perfectly suitable assets for someone else; clearly.
@LeafsGuru @Rhaegar_ @CanuckUKinToronto @dlb Mad Ha, those teams won the Cup and were maxed to the salary cap limit and those are pretty much the only names they lost without a return, between the three of them. You could also add Viktor Stalberg to the list, but that's it. And when you look at that list, well, Ference was a bottom pairing D, Scuderi is quite old and has clearly lost a step, and Niemi only left because his arbitration award placed him outside Chicago's cap limit after a Cup win.
LA turned their back-up goalie into Gaborik. Chicago used a pick they traded an asset for to bring in Brandon Saad. Smart teams turn the assets their done with into something that can continue helping them more often than not. We have more players we've let go for nothing than these three teams combined.
@.JVR. I don't think he said anything about balancing the lines - just making 3 scoring lines. Could still be top heavy. Depends what version of Booth you're getting though.
@LeafsGuru @Rhaegar_ @dlb Mad No one wants a farm for them. A return indicative of their worth would be nice though. Four of the names I mentioned have top six roles, all four of them making at least 3M a year, with 3 of them over 4M - yet we shouldn't worry about getting a return because someone wouldn't give the farm? We were offered a first round pick for 2 of those names.