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It seems that the SEC likes playing Sun Belt Conference Teams. I believe that almost all the Sun Belt schools are in SEC states with the exceptions of App State (NC) and the 2 football only members, NM State and Idaho. Wonder if the big boys and ESPN would be interested in throwing the little guys a bone by having the SEC network buy the Sun Belt football games for Thursday, Friday, and say 11am Saturday games. In exchange the Sun Belt schools would be opponents for 2 SEC home games with no return trip to help with nonconference scheduling. I'm sure Arkansas and TAMU fans wouldn't mind watching Arkansas State and Texas State, Georgia, Alabama, and Auburn fans watching Georgia Southern and Troy, or LSU fans watching Lafayette and Monroe on a Thursday or Friday night while waiting on their game Saturday. I think the Sun Belt would get decent ratings filling in on the SEC network and when the SEC has 4 or 5 games on CBS, ESPN and ABC. ESPN would not have to pay much for Sun Belt rights and the small SEC state schools. Who knows, with a little extra money and exposure maybe the Sun Belt could lure some schools from Conference USA like UAB, Southern Miss, FAU, and Midde Tenn and become a mini-SEC.
An SEC schedule might look like this, 8 SEC games (4 home), 2 Sun Belt home games, a Big 12/ACC opponent and a Kick-off Classic type game.
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How about another Civil War? Maybe the SEC should strike out on their own and become NFL Jr.. The NFL scouts know the majority of draftees come from the SEC. Recruits know the SEC is the top producing talent pool for the NFL. Is there any doubt that if the SEC first tier rights were up for bid that the networks would pay the SEC more than any other conference and the reason they are not paid more now is the timing of the contracts. Come to think of it, I think the ACC is #2 when it comes to NFL draftees. What if, when the SEC's TV rights end and the ACC's "Grant of Rights" end, you grab the top ACC football schools.
What would a 20 school conference made up of say, the SEC 14 schools along with Clemson, FSU, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia and Texas, be worth. Is there any doubt that only the NFL would be paid more. You would not even have to have divisions, the top 4 schools go to the SEC playoffs. Schedule could be something like, play your top 5 rivals and rotate 4 others every year. Even with this large of a conference, everyone could play each other at least once every 4 years. You could fill out the rest of the schedule with Sun Belt teams so schools would still get 7 or 8 home games every year.
It would have to be thought out much better than what I just stated but the heck with the PAC 12 and Delaney. I think the PAC and B1G would need the SEC more than the other way around.
10 months, 4 weeks ago on Big Ten, Pac-12 Partnering Up On Autonomy Front; Who Will Dominate Future Decisions?
Does it have to be 18 games, why not 19. I know there are not divisions in basketball but I would use the football divisions for my basketball scheduling. Play home and home against the schools in your division and play the other division once. It's really not that hard. One year, the "East" plays 10 home and 9 away then the next year, the "West.
1 year, 8 months ago on No Kentucky-Tennessee Hoops Game In Knoxville This Year… It Didn’t Have To Be That Way
Good thing that the SEC didn't expand. If they would have added UNC and FSU, you could add another 16.
Couldn't resist, I know, I know, expansion is dead (expansion is dead, expansion is dead, expansion is dead).
1 year, 12 months ago on Playoff Committee Needs To Remember What They See Every April
Some say it's not fair with some teams getting 4 home conference games and others 5 but if you makes all in the West 4 one year then all in the West 5 the next there is no advantage in that individual division.
1 year, 12 months ago on You Watching, SEC? The Big Ten Gets It Right On Scheduling
9 conference games make scheduling so much easier. You play the 6 in your division, 1 permanent rival in the other division (saves Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Georgia), and 2 more from the other division. Everyone in the conference will play each other at least every 3 years.
No doubt that the SEC is far and away the best conference in college football and that it has been for some time but using the NFL draft might be the wrong measuring stick considering that the ACC had more players taken last year than any other conference. I think using National Championships is a much better measuring stick.
If you used the draft as a measuring stick then I guess that FSU is the National Champion not Alabama considering FSU had 11 players drafted and Alabama 9.
SEC domination in this year's draft is just incredible. Hats off to the SEC.
@JB TexasEx There has to be more money in this for the ACC, in particular FSU. FSU wouldn't support a $50 million exit fee but supports a GOR which is worth considerable more. Why give up future options, maybe FSU gets an invite in 2, 5, or 10 years, why sign with the ACC until 2027?
My guess. There's gonna be a ACC network. This is about ESPN versus FOX not Swofford versus Delaney or Bowlsby. Most believe that the B1G will sign their new TV contract with FOX. FOX has already signed Big East basketball. This is ESPN stopping FOX.
By securing the ACC, ESPN controls the entire SE and the majority of the NE. FOX has Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore.
FOX has B1G football. ESPN has SEC football plus FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech and Miami. Winner ESPN.
2 years ago on Buck Up, Expansion Fans, You Might Be Thankful For This Unanswered Prayer
Maybe I should change the "Back up Jewels" name to "Hey, I need a team Jewel". Need Duke to get UNC, need FSU to break-up the ACC, need Clemson as an 18th team, need West Virginia as a 20th.
2 years, 1 month ago on UF President: SEC Could Expand If An “Ace Jewel” Came Calling
@cjhadley @AllTideUp Who's considered "Ace Jewels"? My opinion is North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame. The next group which I'll call "Deuce Jewels" include Virginia Tech and NC State. "Back up Jewels" include Duke, Florida State, Clemson, and West Virginia.
If the SEC expands, I think they go to 18. I do not see Pitt or GT being in the plans. I think the SEC goes to 20 once the Big XII's Grant of Rights expire in 2026 then I see Texas coming over with Oklahoma. If Texas or Oklahoma goes else where in 2026, then I see West Virginia as replacement 1 and Clemson as back up # 2.
2 years, 1 month ago on FSU A.D. Spetman Talks Openly About Switching Conferences… And The SEC
There are only 2 schools that can kill the ACC and that's FSU and UNC. If the ACC keeps them then it survives, if not the ACC becomes the old Big East. UNC does not want to leave, so for the ACC to implode then either the B1G or the SEC has to take FSU. Once that happens then they can fight over UNC. Whoever gets UNC will be expanding to 18. The B1G grabbing Virginia and GT does not affect what FSU and UNC do.
Consider this. The North is pro football oriented while the South is college oriented. The SEC having monopoly in the South could lead to the SEC being able to get $2, $3 or $4 per cable subscriber while the B1G may only be able to charge half that because they are competing with the pros.
Cable companies in Alabama better carry the SEC network because of Alabama and Auburn fans will demand it, same in North Carolina if the SEC had UNC and Duke. In Pennsylvania, who is more popular the Steelers and Eagles or Penn State. In Illinois, the Illini and Northwestern or da Bears, in Wisconsin, the Badgers or the Packers. You can go on and on with this.
The bottom line is the SEC can charge more for its product than the B1G can especailly if the SEC has no other conferences to compete against.
@RoggespierreAnother thing to consider. With the US population shifting south with people leaving the Rust Belt. Stopping the B1G at Virginia could pay huge dividends to the SEC 10 even 20 years from now if the SEC has a monopoly.
Money can do wonders for a program. Why would the SEC want a challenger in their part of the country even if the risk is low. There isn't an immediate threat but in 10 years would will things look like? Who would have predicted 10 years ago a team like Oregon or even Boise State? Look what the SEC has done for Texas A&M. UNC with the same amount or more money invested as SEC schools is a sleeping giant. What could B1G money do for FSU's programs?
1st answer-Don't know. FSU is a no brainer for the B1G in every way but AAU status. Notre Dame isn't AAU but the B1G would take them. FSU might just offer more than the Irish considering that the BTN is already in Indiana.
2nd answer-FSU wants to be able to compete with SEC schools. Financially, they are going to have a hard time keeping up with SEC budgets in the ACC. Joining the Big XII will help a little but really doesn't solve the problem, joining the B1G will. FSU's 1st choice is the SEC (hands down), they royally screwed up in 1990. Second choice is the B1G. I don't think they will join the Big XII unless at least 3 other southern schools go with them. Some form of the ACC with a southern division is 3rd choice. (something like an ACC South of FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, Wake and VT)
Don't misunderstand me about FSU, stopping the B1G at Virginia is the biggest priority to the SEC. That's why getting UNC is so important to the SEC even it means grabbing Duke.
Second point, FSU only chance to get in either conference is if they need an 18th school.
FSU is worth much more to the B1G than they are to the SEC.
In terms of cable subscribers, the state of Florida has 5.2 million of them. The Big Ten Network currently gets 15 cents per month for those subscribers currently but the charge $1 per month for member states. Doing the math, FSU is worth more than 53 million dollars a year just to the BTN, that does not include what FOX things FSU is worth in 2017 when the B1G tier 1 and 2 rights expire plus you can add extra bowl money. The 53 million alone would not only pay for FSU but also give the current B1G schools another million+ each.
What FSU can offer theSEC isn't financial, its protection from other conferences. The states of Florida and Georgia produces more SEC recruits than any other state and even though Georgia produces the same amount of recruits to SEC as Florida, Florida produces more 4 and 5 star recruits. Florida produced 52- 4 or 5 star recruits while Georgia produced 24. While the SEC will still beat the B1G in recruiting in the south, FSU gives the B1G more exposure to recruits. Exposure not by just coming to Tallahassee to play but exposure on the BTN with recruits watching FSU on TV.
Do you not think that the B1G didn't know Nebraska was going to lose their AAU status? 2 B1G schools voted to remove AAU status from Nebraska.
FSU could be doing a couple of things. 1 hinting to the SEC that their national brand could be going to arch-rival B1G in hopes of an invite or 2 hey ESPN pay us more money, if not we may take our brand to a conference associated with FOX.
If The B1G expands, I'm curious about what the SEC does.
Could the SEC get UNC by adding Duke? How about Virginia by also taking Virginia Tech?
If B1G research money is to much to turn down and UNC, GT and UVa are gone, who does B1G take as #18? Duke, FSU, dare we say Notre Dame?
If B1G goes to 18, does the SEC go to 16 and match the B1G at 18.
If the SEC goes to 18 and UNC is not an option, does the SEC try to win the North Carolina market by adding NC State and Duke? Does the SEC grab the best 4 football schools and continue doing what they do best by dominating college football (and baseball).
What would be best for the SEC?
a. stop at 16 with NCSU and VT
b. go to 18 with NCSU, VT, Duke and FSU
c. go to 18 with NCSU, VT, FSU, and Clemson
Can't wait for Slive's answer.
2 years, 1 month ago on Slive Gets National Writer’s Vote As College Sports Most Powerful Person… We Disagree (Barely)
@BruceMcF Exactly my point. UNC, Duke, VT and FSU to SEC. The SEC draws the line at Virginia and B1G expansion is over. B1G is stopped at 16 until Notre Dame decides otherwise or until the Big XII grant of rights expire.
The SEC remains the dominant conference. The SEC adds 2 more AAU schools, 2 new markets for the SEC network which will make as much or more than the BTN and Florida recruiting is protected.
Georgia produces as many SEC recruits as Florida does but if you look at 4 star and 5 star rated recruits then Florida produced 52 this year compared to Georgia's 24.
2 years, 2 months ago on Big Ten To Add More Conference Games; Is This Another Lure For UVA, GT, UNC And Duke?
@Jimisawesome They are second choice to some presidents, not all. FSU and Clemson would pick the SEC. I think NC State and Virginia Tech would also. UNC considers themselves a southern school and would prefer staying southern if they had a choice.
All would prefer to stay in the ACC first, the problem is the ACC has a terrible TV deal which can not be overcome until 2027.
@Roggespierre looks like business is about to pick up in the Sun Belt, MAC, CUSA err...New Big East err...New ACC.
If the SEC took UNC, Duke, Virginia Tech and Florida State, there is nothing left for the B1G Ten to take or even consider in the south. At that point, it doesn't matter what the B1G does expansion wise because all the markets that the SEC values is protected. The B1G won't take NC State and Clemson, what's left? Georgia Tech, so what.
The SEC won't have to revisit expansion again until the Big XII grant of rights expire in 2025. At that point, the SEC can consider whether they want to go to 20 with (a) Texas and Oklahoma, (b) Texas and West Virginia or (c) Oklahoma and West Virginia.
@John at MrSEC @OtownGator 4 and 5 stars, Florida 52-Georgia 24. Just being a smart-ass (expansion), but should the SEC protect Florida now?
2 years, 2 months ago on Signing Day 2013: Where The SEC's Talent Came From
12 of the top 25 classes are from the SEC, next closest is ACC and PAC with 4 of the top 25. The SEC wins another national championship.
@John at MrSEC
Florida produces more recruits but more Georgia recruits sign with SEC schools.
2 years, 2 months ago on With Expansion Talk Heating Up, Here Are Four “Best-Case” Scenarios For The SEC
Shoot, in that case, why not just play 7 conference games then you could get 8 home games.
Schools should also notice that attendance is declining for the games against inferior opponents.
2 years, 2 months ago on Big Ten Considering A 9- Or 10-Game Conference Schedule
I stand corrected. Sorry for my mistake.
I love the bogus argument that schools need 7 home games to balance their budgets. Doesn't that argument end in 2014 when schools get playoff money, a bigger TV contract, a conference network, and Champions Bowl money?
@JRsec @larryphelps20 @mowens75
How valuable would the BTN be with Virginia (2 million cable subscribers), North Carolina and Duke (2.2 million), Georgia Tech (not sure how mch weight they carry), FSU (5,5 million) and Boston College (3.1 million). That 12.8 plus million subscribers at $1 dollar per month. 153.8 million plus on top of what they are making now
I believe that Virginia and Georgia Tech are gone to the B1G (UVa's president is from the B1G by the way, just like Maryland'). The battleground state is North Carolina, to get the Heels, you have to invite Duke. I believe the B1G will do that, I also believe the SEC will do the same and win. If I'm the SEC, I offer UNC, Duke and Virginia Tech and see if that would get Virginia to spurn the B1G. If Virginia still goes B1G then there is really only one true option for the SEC and that's FSU.
Most people believe FSU will go to the Big 12 but I do not. I think the B1G will invite them despite not being AAU. Why, the Big Ten Network, Florida has 5.5 million cable subscribers. If the BTN charges $1 a month to the cable companies, then FSU is worth $66 million pr year to the B1G. Just on that alone, FSU could pay it's own way and there would still be 36 million left over to split with the other schools, about 2 million more a piece. Plus by being in Florida, FSU will give the B1G more exposure to Florida recruting not by just playing here but by people watching FSU on the BTN. FSU would also make a good travel partner with Georgia Tech.
Florida, I think should be protected by the SEC. Every SEC school fills in their recruit class with Florida recruits, Ole Miss has 16 Florida kids, Alabama has 10, etc.etc.....
The SEC could look like this:
East- Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Norh Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech
Central- Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandebilt, Kentucky, FSU
West- LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri
If this was to happen then the SEC would not have to expand again until the Big 12's Grant of Rights expire. That's when the SEC can go to 20, by adding Texas and either Oklahoma or West Virginia.
USA Today article can't be right. Why would the University of Florida be for a SEC Network paying them 1.5 million when they get 10 million right now from Sun Sports for their 3rd teir. The SEC Network figure will have to be higher than 1.5, the Gators are not going to take a 8.5 million dollar loss.
2 years, 3 months ago on New Deals: SEC Schools Projected To Make $30-35 Million (As We’ve Been Saying Since The Fall)
Could not help but notice that you closed with 14 to18 SEC schools. Do you know something? UNC, Duke, Virginia, VPI? UNC, Duke, Virginia, FSU? That would certainly block the B1G invasion of the south.
While going after markets is the right stategy for the bigger conferences, for CUSA and especially the Sun Belt, it's a huge mistake. The only way for those schools to gain notice is by winning (upsets) and going to as many minor bowls as they can. Those conferences should be grabbing the best football programs. Who heard of Boise 10 years ago? Every one knows them now.
2 years, 11 months ago on Location, Location, Location: Barnhart Provides Further Proof That Location Is Everything In Conference Expansion