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@rosslunney i'm amused that you think he has a secret identity! lolThis movie was designed for a single purpose only: Eliminate Anything that was Superman!You are left with a loser nobody who has zero value for human life, but that's beside the point.* Perry White - Changed Ethnicity* Jimmy Olsen - Changed Sexuality* Iconic Suit - Changed Dramatically* Personality - Reduced to Nothing* Moral Code - Gone out the window* Secret Identity - Yeah... right...But if you are happy with this movie, then just simply admit you wanted another Hulk movie!
4 months, 2 weeks ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@trans8010 i admire your consistency in trying to explain how they trashed everything and anything Superman ever was in the movie, it's just a shame you are trying to explain it to people who probably don't understand the concept of ideals and morals.All they wanted is Superman bashing and smashing, the DC version of a mindless dumb zombie like the Hulk only in ugly armor. The Superman you and I will always be in our hearts, what they have today is some crap pretender which will vanish into obscurity, hopefully sooner then later.I suppose it will happen, when we have someone who actually believes in what the character represents in the first place.
@jJaay @sefy76 and i respect you liking this.. movie.. but to be honest with you? i seriously hope they never get to make a sequel to this travesty.. nothing about this movie says it's a Superman movie, nothing from the mythology is in this piece of $#!% movie.
They all went out of their way to demolish, destroy and turn to ashes what used to be Superman, and i don't mean Donner's version, i'm talking about everything that was Superman for 75 years is wiped out.
What people keep insisting on ignoring/forgetting is that Superman GROWS into his part from being raised by a pair of GOOD people who teach him VALUES. That's the very basis of WHY he is a good person.
I hope someone removes all those responsible for the "New" 52, this "Superman" and all the dark crap they keep trying to feed us and restore what used to be values and respect. But hey, this is the 21st century, people love crap.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@jwatkis @sefy76 He is an emotional retard, cause he had lousy upbringing of an idiot step dad, what dad on this planet will raise his son to be afraid? to put himself above all others? that's an unsupportive moron dad and due to that you got yourself an emotional retard son.
You want to love this POS movie? feel free, but it's not a Superman movie. The director and writer were ashamed of even writing this, they removed just about all traces of the mythology. Only thing you got left are some of the names, other then that, this could be Thor or Spiderman too. But even they didn't commit murder and genocide.
But one day you'll have to face the facts, this POS was so bad, that it didn't say in #1 spot for even a single week! and don't try to blame the period of time, cause after it, came out other movies which did stay at #1 far longer. The moment the movie had "competition" it flow off the cinemas and dropped so low it wasn't seen again.
There is nothing to understand about this POS, cause there is no story, it's a low life drifter, which god knows how he could get a job at a daily planet after doing nothing for his entire life. They probably have very low entrance exams after losing the entire population of the city, they would have taken a hobo as a writer too.
Facts are, NO ONE wants to see this kind of Superman! people want to see Superman who bring hope, not does a careless battle in the center of the city and not even ONCE tries to divert the battle. A totally illogical battle, he never gets tired! from fighting someone his own strength. No wait, he was in the earth sun for 33 years, he should have been stronger but lets ignore logic.
This movie was nothing but CGI and zero acting. You love it? i'm glad for you, but don't speak for everyone, cause all those who "love it" are so called fans, that the only reason they actually enjoy, is cause they have low standards and are ashamed of who Superman is, and with a 90 minute fight sequence they don't really have much to hold on to.
Superman is a positive image.POS is a negative garbage.
Facts are facts, like it or not, it never lasted a single week!
@jwatkis Even Green Lantern was and IS more fun to watch then this POS movie. But lets go into what your taste is and what you think "Superman" is:
* you want him to be an emotional retard* brain capacity of a dweeb* a low life drifter who can't even make decisions* has zero respect and honour for his heritage* without issue of committing genocide and murdering* and kisses and makes up ontop of thousands of bodiesI think that's about sums your version right? you forgot the one very basic and important thing about what or who is Superman, his strength isn't his physical, it's his heart and soul! the fact he CARES and not just does cause he has to or feels required, he does it cause he genuinely cares!
But you are right, i'm an old timer, your generation doesn't need emotional or respect or even brains. You just want a movie with lots of explosions and destruction of a major city to be a happy camper. For people like you, the so called fanatic fans, you don't need Superman, it won't matter if they stick his distorted emblem on a Decepticon, and it will be the same thrill and excitement.
I sure hope i get to die soon before your version becomes de-facto version, but i doubt it would last as long as the original, cause your generation also has a short attention span and craves the next big thing, so lets way for another smash'em bash'em blow'em up movie.
After all, your POS movie didn't last #1 for more then a few days, till the next best thing kicked it off the charts. Enjoy!
@Emerson de Oliveira @sefy76 Thank you, it's nice to know that i'm not the only one out there... maybe one day we will get to see the real thing... a director that actually believes in what the character of Superman is...
We can always hope, after all, that's what he is about...
7 months, 2 weeks ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@trans8010 @sefy76 @jparlee321 Then i stand corrected on 1 single minor occasion? and the other is out of "canon" so as others like to say, it's irrelevant.
@jparlee321 @sefy76 So far it seems that you do not have a true understanding of the character, stated yourself that you never could connect to him until now.
Lastly, every incarnation, weather it's comics or television are creditable source. If you deny one, you deny the other as well. But for humor sake, since you are so well versed in the comics, please tell me this:
When in the comics his earth parents raised him to be full of angst? where in the comics the adult Superman never cared for his heritage? when has he ever stolen? you are the one so well versed, please try to answer those directly.
@Batmandrew @sefy76 @Contrabardus I can never call this movie more then it is, and it is a Piece Of Shit, it doesn't deserve any other title. I disrespect anything about this movie and the travesty it is, I have no problem with you loving it and thinking it's the best thing since man discovered cheese. To me, any other title is an insult to Superman.
1) He Leaves the City cause he knew they wanted him and they would be after him. There was no point of him continuing a fight in the center of the city, when all he would do was create damages himself.
2) Superman thru him softly, cause he KNEW that they had no powers and therefor he didn't need to use strength with them. You want to lie to yourself and say he needed a "hard smash" to feel good? go right ahead, that won't change the scene in question.
3) Superman killed them AFTER there was NO LIVING SOUL on the planet. Not Before, Not During and not to Prevent. There was NO ONE living on the planet. Again, you want to lie to yourself to believe that he killed them in cold blood? go right ahead, the comic specifically show that there was no one left other then him. fact is a fact.
4) The reason it stood the test of time, cause it didn't focus on special effects, but on story telling, something terribly lacking in POS movie. It has no hard, it has no soul and if that is what you call "real world" then i'm sorry to hear that's your world, it isn't my world thank you very much.
5) PoS lost number one cause it's not more then 90 min of punches to no affect. It couldn't hold it's ground as a good movie, like any of the other movies that come out. Also, even on Rotten Tomatoes, the view of the public went down from 96% to 77% and how long has passed? about a month? imagine how low it's gonna get in another month.
6) The character of PoS has no relation to the comics or any source material ever created. In every incarnation he has loving parents who help him coup with who he is, they guide him to be a MAN, they teach him from right and wrong and provide him with values. Yet he grows up to respect and honor is heritage. Not be a loser drifter who is afraid to be himself.
7) He was brought up so pathetically, that he doesn't know what to do with himself. During the entire battle he saved no one, actually he has probably been responsible personally for many deaths (gas station?) and he has taken no measures to deflect the battle (even after taking him into outer space!). Oh and he makes out above all the bodies.
I've grown up on several revisions of Superman, played by all those who were prior to Reeve, and i've been just like yourself. That's why I am the person that i am. Someone who helps others whenever I can, I am proud of where i come from, and with it, i make my own way in life cause that's how i was raised.
If your adult life is so gritty and gruesome, i honestly feel bad for you.
@Contrabardus @sefy76 @trans8010 @jparlee321 You just keep shooting yourself in the foot without even paying attention to what you yourself are saying. For one, the numbers are from official statements. Secondly, you saying that home market drastically affects the movies, yet you go on saying "oh.. it made over 600 mil, what a hit!"
Pick a side and stick to it.
In reality, if we took the sheer amount of advertisement now, with the sheer amount of people since the 70's and add to that the ticket costs and amount of theaters. Then the original movie would have wiped clean anything ever made today using POS's drape.
Against your believe, the original movie would work great
You know why? cause the cinema is so full of $hit today, all movies are basicaly the same overblown CGI of yet another random city (basically always New York) getting blown to shreds in one CGI effect to the other.
That's exactly why the movie shined then and would now!
Cause it's bright, it's optimistic, it's honest about itself and it actually respects the source material unlike how you keep saying that it's not loyal. You just keep focusing on his powers, totally forgetting that's not Superman's real strength. He gets his real power from his to love to people of the earth. Also he isn't ashamed and never was of his home planet, he carried it in his heart in every incarnation.
He didn't "become" Superman cause of his costume!
He has always been a "Superman" due to his upbringing from family values. It's only due to lack of family values, and to gritty, self absorbed and full of angst and lack of any pride in your heritage that you can claim the original would not work today. But you'd be dead wrong.
You are most likely a cynical man who can't understand.
Facts are against you, Everytime the original movie was shown in cinemas (a few years ago it played on hoover dam using projection) it sold out easily. Cause people do crave to see and not just for nostalgia purposes, but cause they believe deep down, that there are good people who'd help others cause they can.
But all i say will fall on deaf ears, so it doesn't matter...Enjoy your gritty dark and violent pitiful existence.I'll stick to my "childhood" wonder.I'm out of here.
@trans8010@jparlee321It's actually even worse, i just saw the inflated numbers of ticket sales, and see for yourself:
@jparlee321 It's sad that you could not appriciate what Superman stood for, cause believe me, it was never strength and how he can thru a punch. Yeah, it's nice seeing how he is really strong, like for 10 to 30 min but 90 min? seriously?!
But i don't blame you, honestly after the bar set below the freezing cold by Returns, no wonder you wanted to see a bit of violence. So there is really nothing wrong with some action scenes, every movie has them, however a movie that is actually good, does revolve around it.
There was no hope or heart in the character, even at the times he rescues, he doesn't seem to do it cause he wants but cause he feels obligated. This guy is about zero emotions, he hardly even shows any, looking like a stuff all the time. Morality, he didn't even save his own dad...
@jparlee321Do you always put words in other people's mouth or do you just translate something to fit what you think? i've never said i don't read comics (quote me!), i've said they are very hard to come by, i may no be a die hard collector, but I do own my share of them.
Being located where I am, the Reeve's movie were far from the first incarnation i've seen. I grow up on Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, then i saw the Fleischer Cartoons and then the Super Friends, all that WAY before the Reeve has come to my location for viewing.
But lets talk just plain numbers shall we?:
Man of Steel
Now if you increase the numbers of Cinemas of the original movie (817) with the amount of cinemas POS had (4207) you would see the original wiping the floor with that carpet used as cape for POS's suit.
If you take POS's cinema's and put it into 817, it be a total failure that couldn't bring the money that was poured into it. Dropping from 1 to 3 in a single week is a travesty for a movie that size especially since it had virtual no competition and it should have stayed atleast 3 weeks.
@Fingerkane Crippling him? oh believe me, people can and do recover from far worse. I myself survived several car accidents, far worst the broken palm (had that too).
POS having Zod get murdered isn't the reason it's not good, that's just the icing on a very horrible tasting cake.
@trans8010 @sefy76 @rosslunney @Fingerkane If you re-watch the scene, you will notice him being exhausted after climbing ontop of the bus, remember that he only just got his powers back and it's night time, so he isn't top form.
@Contrabardus @sefy76 @rosslunney @Fingerkane Reeve (not s) is unfortunatlly dead, but his interpretation is not dead, as it's still being viewed and loved by billions of not just ancient people like me, but also young ones who see it for the first time.
Superman Returns is a travesty, i'll never understand how any fan can even consider it as part of the original movies other then Singer's comment. The entire tone of the movie is even dark the POS, even the suit is dark and glommy.
Everyone keeps saying how it's a continuation, but if any of those would literally watch S2 and SR one after the other and "imagine" the same actors, there is literally no connection in the atmosphere or how the characters are being portrayed. That's why it didn't work out.
What i can say for sure, that you live in a very sad lonely world if this POS movie is what you think the public wants, cause no matter how you try to ignore it, the movie failed the box office by not even being #1 for over a single week and those numbers don't lie.
I hope i'll never become you, it's very dark inside you and that's not a life. Every human who loses the child within, loses a part of himself. You lose the joy, the humor, the fun and the wonder. You even lose the hope... just like POS has done...
@Contrabardus@sefy76@rosslunney@FingerkaneLets assume that by your argument that was never shot ok? here is the scene that is so horrifying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0
The fortress has not got a single straight down line, it's all crystals in diagonal. The fall isn't as "deep" as you keep on claiming, it's barely a few seconds.
The horrible throw is so gentle, you can see him slowly going thru the air past Lex.. so they never died.. as they were never intended on being killed in the first place...
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane see, i was trying to have a serious discussion with you, but you are just being sarcastic.. so doesn't matter...
Oh and for the record, Reeve's portrail is what's REALLY needed for today's audience, not the POS demolition derby which we'll see in every other movie that comes out
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane Can you repeat that in english and with dots and breaks, cause i've no idea what you are saying now and i'm not being sarcastic. It's way too hard to read.
@jparlee321 @sefy76 No, the original point of discussion is why critics hate it and so called public loves it, which is in fact a false statement, as the #1 spot was occupied for a single week, not something that follows a "loved" movie.
So you saying that i'm not honest cause i don't point out the faults? why are you hardly admitting to any faults of POS? (and i'll keep naming it that, cause calling it anything else would be an insult to Superman's history).
You've been given MANY reasons why POS was horrible representation, you yourself even admitted to the illogical fight of two identically powered beings never getting hurt or tired. Yet you don't give any logical reason for your so called "love" of the movie, other then CGI.
So how is it that YOU don't sound biased?