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@rosslunney i'm amused that you think he has a secret identity! lolThis movie was designed for a single purpose only: Eliminate Anything that was Superman!You are left with a loser nobody who has zero value for human life, but that's beside the point.* Perry White - Changed Ethnicity* Jimmy Olsen - Changed Sexuality* Iconic Suit - Changed Dramatically* Personality - Reduced to Nothing* Moral Code - Gone out the window* Secret Identity - Yeah... right...But if you are happy with this movie, then just simply admit you wanted another Hulk movie!
1 year, 4 months ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@trans8010 i admire your consistency in trying to explain how they trashed everything and anything Superman ever was in the movie, it's just a shame you are trying to explain it to people who probably don't understand the concept of ideals and morals.All they wanted is Superman bashing and smashing, the DC version of a mindless dumb zombie like the Hulk only in ugly armor. The Superman you and I will always be in our hearts, what they have today is some crap pretender which will vanish into obscurity, hopefully sooner then later.I suppose it will happen, when we have someone who actually believes in what the character represents in the first place.
@jJaay @sefy76 and i respect you liking this.. movie.. but to be honest with you? i seriously hope they never get to make a sequel to this travesty.. nothing about this movie says it's a Superman movie, nothing from the mythology is in this piece of $#!% movie.
They all went out of their way to demolish, destroy and turn to ashes what used to be Superman, and i don't mean Donner's version, i'm talking about everything that was Superman for 75 years is wiped out.
What people keep insisting on ignoring/forgetting is that Superman GROWS into his part from being raised by a pair of GOOD people who teach him VALUES. That's the very basis of WHY he is a good person.
I hope someone removes all those responsible for the "New" 52, this "Superman" and all the dark crap they keep trying to feed us and restore what used to be values and respect. But hey, this is the 21st century, people love crap.
1 year, 6 months ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@jwatkis @sefy76 He is an emotional retard, cause he had lousy upbringing of an idiot step dad, what dad on this planet will raise his son to be afraid? to put himself above all others? that's an unsupportive moron dad and due to that you got yourself an emotional retard son.
You want to love this POS movie? feel free, but it's not a Superman movie. The director and writer were ashamed of even writing this, they removed just about all traces of the mythology. Only thing you got left are some of the names, other then that, this could be Thor or Spiderman too. But even they didn't commit murder and genocide.
But one day you'll have to face the facts, this POS was so bad, that it didn't say in #1 spot for even a single week! and don't try to blame the period of time, cause after it, came out other movies which did stay at #1 far longer. The moment the movie had "competition" it flow off the cinemas and dropped so low it wasn't seen again.
There is nothing to understand about this POS, cause there is no story, it's a low life drifter, which god knows how he could get a job at a daily planet after doing nothing for his entire life. They probably have very low entrance exams after losing the entire population of the city, they would have taken a hobo as a writer too.
Facts are, NO ONE wants to see this kind of Superman! people want to see Superman who bring hope, not does a careless battle in the center of the city and not even ONCE tries to divert the battle. A totally illogical battle, he never gets tired! from fighting someone his own strength. No wait, he was in the earth sun for 33 years, he should have been stronger but lets ignore logic.
This movie was nothing but CGI and zero acting. You love it? i'm glad for you, but don't speak for everyone, cause all those who "love it" are so called fans, that the only reason they actually enjoy, is cause they have low standards and are ashamed of who Superman is, and with a 90 minute fight sequence they don't really have much to hold on to.
Superman is a positive image.POS is a negative garbage.
Facts are facts, like it or not, it never lasted a single week!
@jwatkis Even Green Lantern was and IS more fun to watch then this POS movie. But lets go into what your taste is and what you think "Superman" is:
* you want him to be an emotional retard* brain capacity of a dweeb* a low life drifter who can't even make decisions* has zero respect and honour for his heritage* without issue of committing genocide and murdering* and kisses and makes up ontop of thousands of bodiesI think that's about sums your version right? you forgot the one very basic and important thing about what or who is Superman, his strength isn't his physical, it's his heart and soul! the fact he CARES and not just does cause he has to or feels required, he does it cause he genuinely cares!
But you are right, i'm an old timer, your generation doesn't need emotional or respect or even brains. You just want a movie with lots of explosions and destruction of a major city to be a happy camper. For people like you, the so called fanatic fans, you don't need Superman, it won't matter if they stick his distorted emblem on a Decepticon, and it will be the same thrill and excitement.
I sure hope i get to die soon before your version becomes de-facto version, but i doubt it would last as long as the original, cause your generation also has a short attention span and craves the next big thing, so lets way for another smash'em bash'em blow'em up movie.
After all, your POS movie didn't last #1 for more then a few days, till the next best thing kicked it off the charts. Enjoy!
@Emerson de Oliveira @sefy76 Thank you, it's nice to know that i'm not the only one out there... maybe one day we will get to see the real thing... a director that actually believes in what the character of Superman is...
We can always hope, after all, that's what he is about...
1 year, 7 months ago on Why Man of Steel is receiving bad reviews and the public loves this Superman
@trans8010 @sefy76 @jparlee321 Then i stand corrected on 1 single minor occasion? and the other is out of "canon" so as others like to say, it's irrelevant.
@jparlee321 @sefy76 So far it seems that you do not have a true understanding of the character, stated yourself that you never could connect to him until now.
Lastly, every incarnation, weather it's comics or television are creditable source. If you deny one, you deny the other as well. But for humor sake, since you are so well versed in the comics, please tell me this:
When in the comics his earth parents raised him to be full of angst? where in the comics the adult Superman never cared for his heritage? when has he ever stolen? you are the one so well versed, please try to answer those directly.
@Batmandrew @sefy76 @Contrabardus I can never call this movie more then it is, and it is a Piece Of Shit, it doesn't deserve any other title. I disrespect anything about this movie and the travesty it is, I have no problem with you loving it and thinking it's the best thing since man discovered cheese. To me, any other title is an insult to Superman.
1) He Leaves the City cause he knew they wanted him and they would be after him. There was no point of him continuing a fight in the center of the city, when all he would do was create damages himself.
2) Superman thru him softly, cause he KNEW that they had no powers and therefor he didn't need to use strength with them. You want to lie to yourself and say he needed a "hard smash" to feel good? go right ahead, that won't change the scene in question.
3) Superman killed them AFTER there was NO LIVING SOUL on the planet. Not Before, Not During and not to Prevent. There was NO ONE living on the planet. Again, you want to lie to yourself to believe that he killed them in cold blood? go right ahead, the comic specifically show that there was no one left other then him. fact is a fact.
4) The reason it stood the test of time, cause it didn't focus on special effects, but on story telling, something terribly lacking in POS movie. It has no hard, it has no soul and if that is what you call "real world" then i'm sorry to hear that's your world, it isn't my world thank you very much.
5) PoS lost number one cause it's not more then 90 min of punches to no affect. It couldn't hold it's ground as a good movie, like any of the other movies that come out. Also, even on Rotten Tomatoes, the view of the public went down from 96% to 77% and how long has passed? about a month? imagine how low it's gonna get in another month.
6) The character of PoS has no relation to the comics or any source material ever created. In every incarnation he has loving parents who help him coup with who he is, they guide him to be a MAN, they teach him from right and wrong and provide him with values. Yet he grows up to respect and honor is heritage. Not be a loser drifter who is afraid to be himself.
7) He was brought up so pathetically, that he doesn't know what to do with himself. During the entire battle he saved no one, actually he has probably been responsible personally for many deaths (gas station?) and he has taken no measures to deflect the battle (even after taking him into outer space!). Oh and he makes out above all the bodies.
I've grown up on several revisions of Superman, played by all those who were prior to Reeve, and i've been just like yourself. That's why I am the person that i am. Someone who helps others whenever I can, I am proud of where i come from, and with it, i make my own way in life cause that's how i was raised.
If your adult life is so gritty and gruesome, i honestly feel bad for you.
@Contrabardus @sefy76 @trans8010 @jparlee321 You just keep shooting yourself in the foot without even paying attention to what you yourself are saying. For one, the numbers are from official statements. Secondly, you saying that home market drastically affects the movies, yet you go on saying "oh.. it made over 600 mil, what a hit!"
Pick a side and stick to it.
In reality, if we took the sheer amount of advertisement now, with the sheer amount of people since the 70's and add to that the ticket costs and amount of theaters. Then the original movie would have wiped clean anything ever made today using POS's drape.
Against your believe, the original movie would work great
You know why? cause the cinema is so full of $hit today, all movies are basicaly the same overblown CGI of yet another random city (basically always New York) getting blown to shreds in one CGI effect to the other.
That's exactly why the movie shined then and would now!
Cause it's bright, it's optimistic, it's honest about itself and it actually respects the source material unlike how you keep saying that it's not loyal. You just keep focusing on his powers, totally forgetting that's not Superman's real strength. He gets his real power from his to love to people of the earth. Also he isn't ashamed and never was of his home planet, he carried it in his heart in every incarnation.
He didn't "become" Superman cause of his costume!
He has always been a "Superman" due to his upbringing from family values. It's only due to lack of family values, and to gritty, self absorbed and full of angst and lack of any pride in your heritage that you can claim the original would not work today. But you'd be dead wrong.
You are most likely a cynical man who can't understand.
Facts are against you, Everytime the original movie was shown in cinemas (a few years ago it played on hoover dam using projection) it sold out easily. Cause people do crave to see and not just for nostalgia purposes, but cause they believe deep down, that there are good people who'd help others cause they can.
But all i say will fall on deaf ears, so it doesn't matter...Enjoy your gritty dark and violent pitiful existence.I'll stick to my "childhood" wonder.I'm out of here.
@trans8010@jparlee321It's actually even worse, i just saw the inflated numbers of ticket sales, and see for yourself:
@jparlee321 It's sad that you could not appriciate what Superman stood for, cause believe me, it was never strength and how he can thru a punch. Yeah, it's nice seeing how he is really strong, like for 10 to 30 min but 90 min? seriously?!
But i don't blame you, honestly after the bar set below the freezing cold by Returns, no wonder you wanted to see a bit of violence. So there is really nothing wrong with some action scenes, every movie has them, however a movie that is actually good, does revolve around it.
There was no hope or heart in the character, even at the times he rescues, he doesn't seem to do it cause he wants but cause he feels obligated. This guy is about zero emotions, he hardly even shows any, looking like a stuff all the time. Morality, he didn't even save his own dad...
@jparlee321Do you always put words in other people's mouth or do you just translate something to fit what you think? i've never said i don't read comics (quote me!), i've said they are very hard to come by, i may no be a die hard collector, but I do own my share of them.
Being located where I am, the Reeve's movie were far from the first incarnation i've seen. I grow up on Kirk Alyn, George Reeves, then i saw the Fleischer Cartoons and then the Super Friends, all that WAY before the Reeve has come to my location for viewing.
But lets talk just plain numbers shall we?:
Man of Steel
Now if you increase the numbers of Cinemas of the original movie (817) with the amount of cinemas POS had (4207) you would see the original wiping the floor with that carpet used as cape for POS's suit.
If you take POS's cinema's and put it into 817, it be a total failure that couldn't bring the money that was poured into it. Dropping from 1 to 3 in a single week is a travesty for a movie that size especially since it had virtual no competition and it should have stayed atleast 3 weeks.
@Fingerkane Crippling him? oh believe me, people can and do recover from far worse. I myself survived several car accidents, far worst the broken palm (had that too).
POS having Zod get murdered isn't the reason it's not good, that's just the icing on a very horrible tasting cake.
@trans8010 @sefy76 @rosslunney @Fingerkane If you re-watch the scene, you will notice him being exhausted after climbing ontop of the bus, remember that he only just got his powers back and it's night time, so he isn't top form.
@Contrabardus @sefy76 @rosslunney @Fingerkane Reeve (not s) is unfortunatlly dead, but his interpretation is not dead, as it's still being viewed and loved by billions of not just ancient people like me, but also young ones who see it for the first time.
Superman Returns is a travesty, i'll never understand how any fan can even consider it as part of the original movies other then Singer's comment. The entire tone of the movie is even dark the POS, even the suit is dark and glommy.
Everyone keeps saying how it's a continuation, but if any of those would literally watch S2 and SR one after the other and "imagine" the same actors, there is literally no connection in the atmosphere or how the characters are being portrayed. That's why it didn't work out.
What i can say for sure, that you live in a very sad lonely world if this POS movie is what you think the public wants, cause no matter how you try to ignore it, the movie failed the box office by not even being #1 for over a single week and those numbers don't lie.
I hope i'll never become you, it's very dark inside you and that's not a life. Every human who loses the child within, loses a part of himself. You lose the joy, the humor, the fun and the wonder. You even lose the hope... just like POS has done...
@Contrabardus@sefy76@rosslunney@FingerkaneLets assume that by your argument that was never shot ok? here is the scene that is so horrifying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0
The fortress has not got a single straight down line, it's all crystals in diagonal. The fall isn't as "deep" as you keep on claiming, it's barely a few seconds.
The horrible throw is so gentle, you can see him slowly going thru the air past Lex.. so they never died.. as they were never intended on being killed in the first place...
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane see, i was trying to have a serious discussion with you, but you are just being sarcastic.. so doesn't matter...
Oh and for the record, Reeve's portrail is what's REALLY needed for today's audience, not the POS demolition derby which we'll see in every other movie that comes out
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane Can you repeat that in english and with dots and breaks, cause i've no idea what you are saying now and i'm not being sarcastic. It's way too hard to read.
@jparlee321 @sefy76 No, the original point of discussion is why critics hate it and so called public loves it, which is in fact a false statement, as the #1 spot was occupied for a single week, not something that follows a "loved" movie.
So you saying that i'm not honest cause i don't point out the faults? why are you hardly admitting to any faults of POS? (and i'll keep naming it that, cause calling it anything else would be an insult to Superman's history).
You've been given MANY reasons why POS was horrible representation, you yourself even admitted to the illogical fight of two identically powered beings never getting hurt or tired. Yet you don't give any logical reason for your so called "love" of the movie, other then CGI.
So how is it that YOU don't sound biased?
@rosslunney@sefy76@FingerkaneI'm assuming you misundertood the sentence "You know comics probably better then me, and as you know, when there is no body then there is no real death in comics" meaning that YOU KNOW and READ comics more then me, cause in my area it's hard to come by.
Is that better now?
I thought you knew every scene in all movies? you do recal they did NOT KNOW where he was hiding, it was Lex who gave them that detail after they promised him Australia (i think, might be wrong country). That's how they knew where he was, and not before it.
Why did he waste time fighting them in the city?
You sure you've seen the movie, cause i strongly suggest you re-watch it. 1) Superman was powerless when he first heard of them, 2) After his powers were restored he flow to where they were (in the city) and that's where the fight started. When he relieased he could not defeat them as he was too weak, he returned to the fortress.
in POS fight, he could have taken him several times during the fight to a different location, he should have had the upper hand of strength due to being exposed by the sun for his entire life and Zod was not. Just Simple Logic!
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Contrabardus Lets state the facts first ok?
1) Only one thrown was Zod, and by the "force" he was thrown, it was so gentle it didn't even dent the wall.2) Ursa was sucker-punched by Lois and fell3) Non thought he could fly and fellDue to the opening of this scene where they arrive in the fortress and Superman being prepared but too weak to fight, he must have prepared himself in advance to be able to counter them and lock them up.So i personally think they simply had a "rollercoaster" ride into a prepared area so he could take them to jail later (as he did Lex Luthor).
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane You know comics probably better then me, and as you know, when there is no body then there is no real death in comics. How exactly do you know it was a darker death? Superman thru the entire 2 movies has shown compassion, there is NO logical reason to assume he killed them. There is far more logical reason to assume he prepared in advance (eg: reversing the effects of the chamber).
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Fingerkane Someone here said it before me, how exactly is it that nither of them even got hurt? or tired? or exhausted? in every incarnation of Superman, in every media.
He DOES get tired and hurt when he fights someone with equal strength. For all we know, POS broke a finger when he snapped the neck and that caused him severe pain he never experienced before.
That's FAR more logical the a stupid illogical fight, just like your arguments are not even with sense in them.
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Contrabardus Lets compare "thrown" shall we? i suggest you re-watch the movie, since your memory betrays you. Superman tosses Zod into a VERY diagonal wall that he slides down. You never hear any noise which would indicate a SMASH or painful death of any kind.
Why? cause it was NEVER intended for that to be DEATH!
I know, you rather hold on to that claim as hard as you can but it's a shame you won't do the same about the stupid battle of Zod and POS where none of them ever get tired, yet you accept that blindfully and rejoice cause Superman kicked ass and broken a neck. yay.
So you'll say it was grown from a Crystal and eliminated the planet earth surrounding it.. and you people call me a fool.. what a joke...
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Contrabardus Of course you wouldn't give a shit about facts, but they are still facts. If you know every scene from every movie, then you also know this scene was shown on TV as part of the broadcast of Superman 2 and it was done more then once.
Fact again as stated below, POS ending was meant to be as Superman murdering Zod. Unlike Superman 2 and as well as the comic book which had a totally justified reason for the killing, which you are obviously ignoring.
But even without the murdering of Zod at the hands of Superman, the whole movie is stupid without justification. The only you honestly like about it, no matter how much you deny it, is just the special effects. That's it.
@Fingerkane That scene was filmed and included on the TV broadcast, you may want to diss it by saying it's dumb ass, that's your right to do so. The scene is not specific part of the donner part only, as it was shown with the Lester cut as well.
I've seen it plenty of times on local rentals here, so again your point is mute. It's removed on DVD cuts due to Gene Heckman's appearance in it, since it was filmed by Donner and Heckman refused to re-shoot it with Lester.
Facts are, it was never intended to be their deaths. While no matter how you try to fake your orgasm, in POS they can extend it as much as they like, they intended for Superman to murder Zod, again FACT.
@jparlee321 Again, you've done everything to ignore every single point given to you. I pointed minor faults of the movie, challenged? hardly. Point of discussion is why POS is such a failure and it IS a failure, have no doubt about it.
Made over 600 million? due to ticket prices and IMAX 3D, and again, it did not last #1 for more then a week in ANY country! cause nobody gives a damn about this pathetic incarnation. Just cause a few losers who wanted to see punches for 90 min and destruction with CGI, cheered for a loser director, doesn't mean it's majority.
Facts are, if it was SUCH A GREAT MOVIE, then how come in 1 week it got kicked to #3 spot? and disappeared totally after a month?! even Iron Man 3 which was boring as hell, has lasted longer then that in the #1 spot! because even that movie had SOME good points in it.
@rosslunney @sefy76 @Contrabardus Then you are a DOUBLE fool and an idiot as well, this SPECIFIC scene was also on the Extended ABC television broadcast of the LESTER version, and that was in 1980 to 82, LONG BEFORE THE DONNER CUT!
Secondly, if your brainless mind can think up a kryptonian monster in the pole, then you are a bigger fool then your ego.
@jparlee321 @sefy76 @Contrabardus I'm sorry but your current reply is just an escape from actually countering anything i've said, cause you know it's the truth. You need me to point out the faults? here are a couple i disliked about Donner/Lester versions:
Turning Back Time - Ridicules and not part of Superman's powersIt was done due to Lester's suggestion, as they were running late with the production and needed an ending.
Weird "Powers" in Superman II - Again, done by Lester who is not a Superman fan, and he's the one at fault for the corny elements of the movie (and he also made Superman III and we know how that one is)
See the difference between you and me, is that i countered EVERY little thing you said, when you and others who ignored them. But yes, i HATE this POS movie but not cause of Donner version, but because it has damaged Superman beyond recognition.
I'm not "obsessed" with those films, but i admire the endless quality in them, and i can overlook the MINOR faults in them, because they are to this day very enjoyable. Your idea of enjoyable movie, is a 90min punches with demolition and little care for anything else. That runs off as very vain. Superman isn't about violence, he is about hope!
Superman resorts to fighting when there is NO OTHER WAY! and now if you REALLY want to say something, try countering what i said above instead of ignoring it with IMO very lame excuses. No movie is Perfect, but one honors the character and one does not. If your version of Superman is nothing more then Arnold Schwarzenger, then you don't even know or care about the character and therefor your opinion is the one that is mute and not legitimate.
To conclude: I'd take the Dean Cane / Animated over this POS movie!
@ContrabardusSince your butt must really hurt a lot, i'll try to give you the reasons to calm it down so you can seat and talk like a human being. I've noticed that a lot of so called fans keep on mentioning the two occasions where Superman killed Zod: S2 and Comics. So lets clarify the two mentioned times shall we ?
Superman 2: it's a known FACT the movie was started by Donner and then replaced with the idiotic Lester who removed already FILMED portions from the Donner version. However, the Lester version also has extended scenes which CLEARLY SHOW that ZOD and company are ALIVE and taken to custody by police, how's this possible after he brutally killed them? here is the scene in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA5d66AnT7s
it's very logical:
1) Superman was weakened (interestingly in POS neither side weakens right?) by the battle and was unable to protect the humans (several times got distracted to protect, never happened in POS movie) and retreated to avoid causalities. He returned to the fortress and prepared everything in advance for when they arrive.
2) Everyone keeps saying "bottomless pit" or the "abyss", you do recall this is planet earth? and he was located at the pole right? surrounded by water, lets call them ice water. Obviously as he is AGAINST killing, he divised a way to rid of their powers and jail them. When he so called thru Zod, he didn't do it like in POS that the buildings got demolished, he simply thru him gently into a DIAGONAL wall which helped him slide downward. You never heard a hard smash from any of them, so they obviously landed on something soft. It's called using your brains.
Secondly, the killing in the comics:
This occurred AFTER the 3 Kryptonians have MURDERED THE ENTIRE PLANET! where not a single living soul survived. That was the ONLY reason where Superman had to act as judge, jury and executioner cause the crime was far hideous then anything else. So they were killed as mercilessly as the crime they committed and he endured such pain from doing so, that in subsequent comics he even exiled himself.
The Superman (Donner/Lester) movies may be considered campy, but they have something the POS movie never had and never will have. It's called FUN, it's called Adventurous, it has HEART and SOUL poured into it. There was Romance, and there was LOTS of Character build up with PLENTY of need story time and screen time for all 3 sections of the movie (Krypton/Smallville/Metropolis). Even in the 2 other "hated" Superman movies, there is more HEART and HUMAN care then in this POS movie and it's simply cannot be denied by you.
Superman's character has been treated respectfully even with some self humor and since when is humor a bad thing? in this POS travesty movie, the ONLY reason it made ANY money is because fans wanted a Superman movie SOO BAD that they wouldn't care if it was a movie about Thor being called Superman. It's enough that each single fan would see the movie once, to make millions, however the FACT is it didn't even survive a WEEK at the TOP spot. Dropped straight to 3rd place on the second week. Commerical Success? that's an utter fail!
Lastly, in the long run? heck, lets take the SHORT RUN, the movie doesn't stand the test of any time. It's practically forgotten by the majority of the public who went to see the next box office blockbuster. While the original Donner version, after 35 YEARS is still loved by majority of people, fans and non-fans alike.
Superman NEVER needed this kind of reboot, he doesn't deserve to be treated like a Killer with total lack of care for humans and with total lack of coldness to his own heritage that he should be proud of. That is NOT and NEVER will be the true Superman. The movie makers were so ASHAMED of making this movie, they avoided using ANY elements from Superman mythology unless they were forced to. Being full of undeed angst and anger and fear is NOT what a modern Superman is.
Superman is about HOPE, about doing GOOD, not cause you want to belong, but because you CAN and it is the RIGHT THING TO DO and not to be ashamed of.
@jparlee321 @trans8010 @ty19c i'd like to point out something else, which was right infront of my face. Take a look at the images of Cavill and Reeve up there, side by side.
You know what i noticed? lack of total trust.
If either of these "Superman" were to be seen together, and i'd choose to be saved by one of them. I would choose the one Reeve is portraying, and no, not cause of what you may think, but because he gives a vibe of trustworthy.
Cavill's gives a .. not sure how to say it, english is my second language and i'm missing words here to describe the feeling.. distant ? i just wouldn't feel comfortable with his "version" of Superman, doesn't give that safe feeling.
Reeve's has this calm feeling, relaxed, like you know it will be ok and you'd feel safe. The whole suit, gives a bit of more positive aura to it, i think that's the word. Maybe it's just me, but i just noticed it when i looked at both together.
@ty19c @sefy76 While in war you cannot control others who cause specific damage to citizens, you can control your own actions. I am not confusing the actions of the enemy, I am specifically talking about all the buildings that went down thanks to mr POS by blowing up gas station with people, and buildings going down thanks to him.
I also blame him for not taking a SINGLE step in trying to save people, something clearly done in every other hero movie out there. Even the original trilogy of Spiderman, he kept swooping in and out to save civilians as much as he could. Nothing was done in this movie! nothing! you cant go and say "oh he feels pain for killing Zod" when he did NOTHING to save the civilians.
This POS carried himself like a low life with the ambition of a loser, you want to know the REAL sad thing? have you read the POSITIVE reviews? they are all about the same thing, special effects. That's it. everything else, sucks, But hey it had awesome effects, that makes for a great movie right? that's just sad.
Captain America's suit in Avengers was about over 90% similar to his original suit, the one in the first movie was obviously not the same, it was a military revision of it, due to the "tech" of the time period. Spiderma's suit was no where near POS's suit, it was FAR more loyal to original.
Kids shouldn't be watching a Superman movie... can you even hear yourself saying that? that's how sad this POS movie is. It should be rated PG-GARBAGE, not be seen by anyone who has values of anything. Batman is not Superman, and this movie stunk so bad, they are bringing Batman in for the sequel, so he can beat him up too.
It will probably a Wolverin Origin style, where the hero gets beaten up all time. I wonder how in "real world" will a human being beat up Superman.
@ty19c @sefy76 It's not anger, it's being upset and quite a bit frustrated, at seeing kids who need a positive role model, walk out the cinema cheering for murder. They no longer get many options, cause in Comics they turned Superman into a hate-able military image, quite frankly the "new" 52 destroyed all the good.
I see you should see the final fight scene in Avengers if you saw the heroes running into buildings and throwing the enemy at buildings. POS who KNOWS his own power and the power of his rival, knew it wouldn't scratch him in the least, yet he used him to knock out the entire city. Oh, and they didn't commit genocide, there are plenty of survivors as you clearly saw at the end.
No, i believe if you take the exact original suit, and have an actor who knows how to carry himself, and a director who believes in the character, they will make it work. Just like Captain America's suit works beautifully and just like how Spiderman's suit works great as well and everyone is so excited to see it return in the sequel.
His scream showed nothing, because he himself was a first hand responsible for deaths of civilians, so all his scream shows is a broken finger. He hardly showed any attempt to diverse the battle or save civilians during the battle. He has no morals and he should not be allowed to exist. But you are lucky i'm in minority, so you'll get to see more of this travesty in the cinema.
How can one be "optimistic" when conforned with a cynic and pessimistic movie... and yes, they can rot in hell for the irreversible damage they are doing to a generation of kids, that their role model is a killer.. i'm not open minded about that one bit...
@ty19c @sefy76 You didn't see The Avengers, did you? or did your memory erase the part where they tried to save as many civilians as possible? even risking their lifes to do so? maybe that all section about Captain America doing every thing he can to save the civilians? trying to contain the war?
No, i'll never give POS a chance, cause it's garbage and I don't like being fed garbage and told it's the real thing. It isn't Superman, never was and never will be. I can only dream that before i die, there will be a REAL director and a REAL story teller who believe in the character so much, he will find a way to bring him back.
You think a pathetic scream covers him murdering Zod? I don't, if he could have broken his neck, he could have also knocked him out unconscious as well. During the entire battle, he could have atleast TRIED to take him out of the path of civilians, out of the city. You think the original suit would make the film flop? then you also don't believe in the character. It only needs a real story.
Also, and finally, you are forgetting in the Donner film which is ALSO an origin film, they gave enough moments to show Clark being in pain for not being to save his dad and learning the value of life. Those few moments there, conveyed a WHOLE LOT MORE then the idiotic flashbacks that are so fund by the garbage makers of this POS movie
Of course people make mistakes, no one is a god and no one is perfect, you GROW UP making mistakes, he is a GROWN UP and he made his mistakes and way too many of them as well. But we can only blame his stupid dad(s) for his mistakes.
Lets conclude that in Avengers it was few vs a hell lot more, and they all tried to contain the battle to avoid as much damage as possible, and they did everything to try and save human lives. Does that answer your question if i had a problem with it?
For me, Superman has been brutally murdered by Snyder, Goyer and Nolan and for all i care, they can rot in hell. I've no intention of spending a single dime on anything which will be related to this POS movie, cause it's an insult for everything that Superman was for 75 years.
You like it? good for you, you'll enjoy seeing them demolish Batman as well. Cause hey, after Man Of Steel demolished a city, now he can get beaten by a human.
@marcel @sefy76 @jparlee321 I'll assume you referring to yourself with the stupid comment, so i'll over look it.
The Kryptonian race were not EFFECTIVELY dead, unless you admit to the fact this Superman has indeed committed a genocide against his race. But before he had, they had a chance to live on as a species.
The so called "storytellers" made sure of that potential to be made, good ol "space dad" could have provided ALL of the required information before hand, therefor making sure the situation was in favour of Clark.
But it's easier to create a conflict when it's not needed with all the stupid reasoning to have the one Superhero that is known for NOT KILLING to do the one thing he should not EVER do.
Because he is the strongest, it counts as murder, since he was too stupid to find a different solution. Or if we go by the way you are thinking, anyone villain that will provoke him to kill him, then he should kill him, cause he has become a scumback murderer.
@marcel @sefy76 @Fingerkane What you don't seem to understand, is that there is ALWAYS another way to handle things. You prefer killing and murdering to finding a solution. This movie was designed with a SINGLE purpose, to have him commit murder and they achieved it with the acceptance of the audience.
Now that he murdered him, lets say we have another super villian, lets have him murder him as well, cause hey he already did it once so lets do it again and again. After all, why wouldn't he? why would one super villian not be worth being put down when the first one did?
Once you crossed the line once, that line is gone for good!
@trans8010 @sefy76 @Rogersjyg The problem is we got the worst people for the job (Nolan, Snyder and Goyer). If we had someone like the ORIGINAL creators, who created him in a time of worst depression after WW and before WWII, they created him as an optimistic vision.
That's why THEIR vision of Krypton was positive, it was an advanced civilization without wars. It was something that we should aspire to, not that gritty vision we've now seen. It has nothing to do with how reality is, but what we want it to be and it seems no one wants a positive future.
@Rogersjyg It seems that everyone is dead set convinced that the world is a grim place, yet nobody really does a thing to change it. This actually reminds me of the speech given by Superman at the end of IV, where he says that peace will only come when the people of the earth will want it so bad that their governments won't have a choice but to give it to them.
I guess no one really wants it that bad, like Lex said in the same movie, we don't war, we just want to keep the threat.
This movie has nothing to do with "real world" or "reality" or anything similar. It is about a set of people who are so grim and depressing in their own views, that they simply cannot see the good in people. They rather find everything gloomy and depressing, unbelieving that a person can be a good person without any ulterior motivation.
I think if REAL world had a sudden "Superman" among us, then the first reaction wouldn't be fear but wonder! that we are NOT alone in the universe and there is someone who thinks we are actually worth saving. A Person that has all these god like powers, yet he uses them to help others and doesn't stay to receive a cheque or praises.
But if someone is good without ulterior motives, then why should we trust that person? we are not worth saving no?
@Rogersjyg @sefy76 @jparlee321 Who knows what will happen in the next movie, which personally i hope will never happen.. with any minor luck, they will reboot it again and create a real Superman movie, but of course that's just a wish that will never come true...
and i've used to read comics, until they rebooted that too and turned Superman into a military moron.
@Rogersjyg @sefy76 @jparlee321 The problem is this, there are some things, that once they were done, they cannot be undone... and this is one of them..
In Superman Returns, they turned him into a lying deadbeat stalker trespassing dad.. now they turned him into a loser with no life or objective genocide murderer..
@Rogersjyg @sefy76 @jparlee321 Banished ? can they come back out of there ? can they live and prosper there ? for all intent they are as good as dead. Regarding regenerating the race from Clark, how exactly? or have you missed the points made here by others? it cannot be done.
Fun? that's also very selective, but it is your prerogative...
@jparlee321 THAT one was at YOU, the first one was NOT!
I don't cop out like you have been doing so far in admitting how horrible this movie is, you keep saying how much you can connect to it, yet admit the too many bad things about it.
Did he not send the entire survivors into their doom? did he not kill with his bare hands the final survivor? why not kill him first and then let the rest live. After they saw their leader die, logically they would stop their fight.
1) He obliterated every single survivor2) He obliterated ANY possible creation of the raceBy doing THAT, he committed Genocide against his entire race, when he could have avoided it from the start. If you can't understand that basic concept, then you don't know what killing an entire race means.
@GarmanCo @sefy76 @jparlee321 As the hero that started it all, as the one who is supposed to set an example for everyone else.. he set a VERY bad example...
It's like Kirk's death in Generation, it was pointless.. it didn't contribute anything.. it was done for the sake of doing..
@GarmanCo @sefy76 @jparlee321 It is because he was provoked to killing him that i consider it murder. See the real sad thing here is, that just about most other Super Hero movies they (Thor, Spiderman, Hulk, Captain America, Batman..) managed to avoid the hero killing directly. If Zod had some how gotten himself killed, i'd not care, but here Superman kills him with his bare hands...
Then he screams like a little girl "ouch i broke my finger!"
@jparlee321 You lack the capacity for understanding?
for one, the sentence is general and not directed. as in, people who go see the movie and cheer when this Superman kills people and has a full scale battle where there are innocent people who get killed.
secondaly, and this is according to all you've said so far of how you can "connect" to this (un)hero. It simply admission that if you see a good person, you don't trust in him without suspecting he has some sort of ulterior motives.
Did i tell you that YOU need to get professional help?!
Lastly, genocide is when you murder the entire race, THAT is what this hero of yours did. 1) he killed all the people of his race, 2) he destroys the one thing that could have helped in the resurrection of the race. - That's a two for one price.
Those are Facts!
@Gabadabba @sefy76 While that's an interesting concept, i disagree with you. By technically killing all those from Krypton he has committed a genocide of the entire race. By your logic, the human race doesn't deserve to live, look at how we treat our own planet, and our own people!
What about Jor-El, why would he shove the codex into his own son? isn't that kinda ridicules considering he wanted them all that pro-create the old fashioned way? what was the purpose of it, knowing it will endanger his son and the earth population?! there's no logic in the action.
a Kryptonian can't have kids with the human species, this has been covered in every possible way, i'd recommend man of steel / woman of Kleenex (i think that's the spelling) to get that idea of why it cannot be done in any logical way. Also considering Clark spoke with his dad, why would he assume they are all ruthless?
By comparison, Clark is also Kryptonian, now that he got rid of his competition, who says he won't become just as they are? he didn't seem to care in the least for all of the citizens who died thanks to him directly. Everyone seems to forget that during that battle, he not even ONCE tried to divert it to a people free area.
@moviebuff77 @sefy76 @jparlee321 You don't need to be an alien to feel outcast and different and unaccepted. It all depends on your upbringing, how you were raised and what tools you were given to cope with what you have..
Having God like powers, doesn't make you a good person which is why I stated in many places that Superman's own strength isn't his powers, but his heart and his ability to actually be gentle and kind and accepting of others.
He isn't a hero cause he has powers, but cause he uses them to help others. Not be accepted or welcomed or get standing ovations, but because he can do it. Even if he did not have powers, he would still do it. Cause that is how he was raised.
Well, of course, in any other mythology except this one..
@jparlee321 I suggest you watch your language cause this sort of accusation is beyond a decency of any moral code, i've so far not said any personal insulting remarks to you so you have no justification for this outburst. This is a discussion within the movie's so called "reality" and therefor the comments are regarding that.
If you cannot understand THAT then you are the one who needs mental health care.
Back to point of origin, your so called Clark had very little to no care of THOUSANDS of civilians he killed, be it the buildings he was smashed into or the buildings he thru Zod into. What right does he have that Zod does not have? and he isn't even fighting for his race, he didn't even bother to save his own dad.
You already proved you don't know what a good story is, as this movie proved to be a garbage one and you are trying so very hard to justify every bad part of it (well, the whole of it is bad). I'm assuming you have some brains in that thick skull of yours, if the codex is useless, then why would Jor-El sent it? he could have let it be destroyed with the rest of the planet.
Those embryos would have had purpose, if not, why even bother including them into the stories in the first place? of course if this was good story telling, like you think it is, then they DO have a purpose with the codex. But you rather have a blind eye on everything that doesn't fit into your logic circuits and you just blow a circuit with your rude comments.
So as long as you reply with ridicules outbursts, expect me to voice my opinion back. Atleast unlike you, i use the good i've learned from what Superman represents over the years and help others anonymously, you'd probably kill according to your so called new hero. You have no faith in the good of people, you probably waste your life away too, which is why you can "relate" to this POS movie.
Next time, if you want a respectful reply, show the same.
@GregArrigotti @sefy76 Let me ask you the same question in return, why is your or his opinion higher then mine or someone else that thinks like me? if the answer is the same, why would he even be having a discussion ?
Because i grow up on this character, and even adapted to myself some core (i help others, just cause i can!) so when i see a travesty like this, which distorts Superman's very core, and i see kids growing on it, it makes me upset and very sad. The new role model is a killer.
You know, they say the first killing is the hardest, so now that he has committed the ultimate crime. You can say, why won't he kill now? this new villain is just as bad, why does he deserve to live? where do you put the line after you already crossed it?
Your voice is also not the only one, and just as you have a right to voice your thoughts and opinion, why do you wish for me to shut up? it's sad that you could enjoy this movie, it really is, cause it's a shallow movie which was forgotten a week after it's release.
If i had kids, i'd never let them see this movie,cause it's a humiliation to everything and anything Superman ever stood for. There is no truth in this movie and no justice, even the so called American Way is all but washed out. I can only hope i'll live long enough, to see the real Superman return to his true glory.