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@davewiner It was not offensive. It was a subjective observation based on visiting some of the profiles who seemed really upset by this proposition. You may have also missed the part where I included myself as part of the crowd afraid of and worried about change. I'm an older user too. The point of the article is that the change in behavior away from RSS has provided me a superior content discovery and reading experience. Sharing that experience has definitely provided for *some* interesting opinions.
You also missed the part of the article where the call to remove RSS feeds was an industry call, not a Pando only initiative. As I said in the article, I doubted this would resonate much like other prescriptive initiatives. I love publishing and people who create content. I would like to see these folks make more money. No one has provided any hard data showing RSS furthers this goal.
Also, this is an opinion piece. Obviously Sarah and team still see the value in keeping RSS. I don't. And per the article, I wish the industry would reject it and a number of other practices that I don't feel propel the publishing industry forward.
I wish you would take up the challenge to create a better system. Outliners are great. Solving this problem would be greater. You can do it if you try.
1 year, 11 months ago on Let’s retire RSS when they retire Google Reader
@rodalpho @miketatum @davewiner Everyone who has clicked over to say "I'm reading this on RSS... don't take away my free access to content and or lose my occasional click through!" have tended to be fairly nasty commentors. Looking at some of the history of these commentors , they tend to leave pretty abrasive nasty comments...i.e. trolling. Again, it was a subjective observation as I said.
@davewinerThe data would suggest otherwise looking at Google Analytics this morning. Even with a story that might be more prone to drive people to the site to leave "you're a moron, don't shut down RSS" visits, RSS visitors are extremely small number of people visiting the site for this story. I'm going to dig deeper in the data and confirm here later today.
My more subjective impression is that older users who hate change are the ones most threatened by moving off RSS. I was in that camp initially as well. Again, my experience and information sources improved once I stopped using an RSS reader.
Something else has occurred to me watching this thread as well. RSS may have directly contributed to the salacious headlines and "link baiting" so publishers can drive users to their site for monetization. Again, the more I dig into it, the more it seems RSS is bad for publishers. Supporting a group of vocal users who freeload off the site and only participate in the community to troll only supports the case.
@davewiner Honestly, I'm a big fan of yours and have been for awhile. I was just playing around with Fargo.io last week with is great. I get why this bums you out. I still think RSS will be in the internet plumbing for a long time. I just think as an outward facing consumer product, we have to start thinking about alternatives that are better for readers and publishers.
@davewiner I do not get paid or receive shares for my efforts with Pando. I do this because I think Pando has a great opportunity to be a place for intelligent conversation and writing about technology and entrepreneurship...like this one.
@davewiner Again, I don't think anyone will notice a drop in traffic as RSS does not drive significant traffic. If we write good content that someone finds valuable, they will link it on Twitter- the by far biggest source of traffic to all news sites. You will then either follow that link (so we can make money), or you will not be informed.
@KyleVail "RSS is will always be the vinyl of music. niche." I'm quoting that...although it makes me want to suddenly try to save RSS! ;-)
@CortlandColeman @miketatum There may be things to bag on Pando about, but pageview baiting isn't one of them. I did look at data per the post. I'll try to see if I can find significant traffic from Google Reader, etc. But here's the deal...Reader is dead anyway so that traffic dies no matter what anyway.
@coccyx1 I will agree with you that Livefyre is massively annoying and I wish it would retire too.
@BriChri Several sites, like this one, look great across devices. It is also lets me know what I've read and haven't read. More sites are adopting this philosophy and making it a more pleasurable reading experience than my 2005 designed RSS reader.
@KenG I have had a need for it for 10 years. Lived on it. I just stopped using it as an experiment for a month. I found a better way to discover more news from new sources.
@CortlandColeman Great idea. How do we find that data easily? I'd love to know.
@davewiner So what's the business case to keep it except for the most extreme reader use cases? How does it help publishers make money...especially since "eyeballs" don't monetize like they did in '99? Better question might be could you invent something better to replace it?
@DavidLerman @miketatum There were lots of attempts along these lines. Outside of Feedburner, no real success stories.
@davewiner Dave, I knew this might offend you, but I really hope you don't take it personally. It's not personal, it's good business.
@DavidLermanI'm looking at discovery and suggesting you organize your reading by going to your five or so favorite sites everyday so they can make money instead of using your reader. This is a method of finding new and recommending news.
@nathanielmott Thoughts are with you and your family today. And I'm with you...we have a long way to go still.
2 years, 4 months ago on How technology is failing my family
@okvivi @miketatum Yep, that was something we were playing with and I think we're going to tweak for users on laptops as well. It doesn't stick on the iPad version, so we'll probably do that on laptops as well. Thanks for the detail. Super helpful.
2 years, 4 months ago on Welcome to the new, more reader and device aware PandoDaily!
@okvivi What size monitor are you using? That would be helpful.
@sarahcuda @JonMiller1 The crossing the streams debate was epic. Kind of like this one. Literally.
That is a sincere form of flattery. We were literally finishing up the design when TNW's design came out. Someone else mentioned qz.com, which along with fastcodesign.com and the Vox sites were inspiration for sure. But XOXCO (@benbrown, @goatsandbacon, @adammathes) really drove the design here. I'm personally psyched that the industry is finally moving away from a decade plus old "standard blog design". Touch device consumption is definitely driving a lot of this movement, but I also think publishers finally willing to experiment with better ways to have enjoy content once they give up the pageview ghost. To be clear, our design is a work in progress and will be tweaked, but I love the direction.
@MattZ Hey Matt, would love to hear specifics. The iPad was a main target of the redesign so any specific feedback is helpful.
@viksteele So you feel like there is too much content now?
@jimmybh Yes, that's something we're going to tweak. This initial turn was definitely focused on small screens. Thanks for the feedback.
Testing the Livefyre plugin!
2 years, 5 months ago on Pando Devly › Log In
Reading this was like watching a canary choke on methane. The reference to Cisco's binge should send chills to old timers.
2 years, 7 months ago on The Acqui-hire Scourge: Whatever Happened to Failure in Silicon Valley?
@KeithTeare @eringriffith "Relevance precedes monetization as an issue." Really good points Keith, but this last one I'm not sure about. FB gets plenty of usage on mobile and if they lose 20% of their users, they are still massive. Heck, Geocities still had really large traffic when Yahoo shut it down....for not making money. The monetization question is all about buying intent, as Erin references above. Twitter is having the same issue as @hunterwalk pointed out this week (http://www.hunterwalk.com/2012/07/the-8-billion-elephant-in-room-how-to.html). Looking at some of the studies, it is clear you can extend the brand relationship with the customer on both FB and Twitter- but no one has shown it influences/directs intent as well as search. Unfortunately, too many marketers think that the internet is "accountable/direct marketing spend" over branded dollars. Now that we have had several years of marketers buying likes ("We need a million likes this month"), they're looking for more tangible results from those investments. It's going to be hard to beat SEM efficiencies with social.
2 years, 8 months ago on Facebook Needs New Revenue Streams, Fast
@trheingold Thanks Ted!
2 years, 8 months ago on Trending: The Touch Era of Acquisitions Begins
Insanely smart investment from A/H...congrats guys!
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