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Technically, Martin is in his 3rd season, right? Maybe I'm misunderstanding...
9 months ago on Hold Off On Those Firings, SEC Fans… No One Wants Your School’s Crappy Job
I don't want to be the poor man or woman working the phones for DirecTV the first week of the season. This isn't the Pac whatever...I'm a DirecTV customer largely because of Sunday Ticket. If they make me choose between STix and The SEC...lol.
9 months ago on DirecTV Emails About SEC Network Only Confirm What We’ve Been Telling You From Day One
I recall the June Jones era in Atlanta, late 70's, early 80's, he was running the "run and shoot". Everybody called it a gimmick. Every NFL team today employs those formations, those plays, those routes. Of Course, Tiger Ellison, Mouse Davis, Sid Gillman and others had the same concepts years earlier, Hal Mumme and Leach, Rodriguez, Kingsbury Kelly, Malzahn...It's nothing more than running a two minute offense all the time, it's more complicated today with different "tempos" as you see Manning and Brady running on Sundays.
The 10 second rule...I don't know how I feel about it, but I know this... should it pass, coaches on both sides of the ball will try to find an advantage. My first thought is you'll see creative ideas regarding substitution.
9 months, 1 week ago on Ole Miss’ Freeze Not Happy With NCAA Proposal To Slow The Game; But The NCAA Should Do Just That
All good points! It seems to me that the number one criteria ought to be actually watching the games. Obviously, no one person can watch every game, but those on the committee should be watching the top 25 teams every week, especially when ranked teams are playing each other. This week, for example, #2 Oregon vs. #16 Washington, #7 Georgia vs. #25 (unbeaten) Missouri, #10 LSU vs. #17 Florida. That's just four games and I'd add the Thursday night game to take a look at #8 Louisville vs. Rutgers. With DVR's, there's really no excuse for not watching every important game weekly and jotting down some notes. She's as capable as anyone of being able to do this. Does she have the time to devote to this endeavor would be my only question and I'd ask that of every potential committee member.
1 year, 1 month ago on Condi On The Committee? Ex-Auburn Coach Dye Not A Fan… And He’s Right
I try to go to a game once a year, maybe two. A family of 3 for one of the good games, just the tix, is between two and three hundred dollars, face value with no donation. I guess there are folks that can do that every weekend, good for them.
1 year, 1 month ago on Schools’ Greed Damaging The Future Of College Football
"Maybe in football and basketball, it would work better if more kids had a chance to go directly into the professional ranks," Delany said. "If they're not comfortable and want to monetize, let the minor leagues flourish. Train at IMG, get agents to invest in your body, get agents to invest in your likeness and establish it on your own. But don't come here and say, 'We want to be paid $25,000 or $50,000.' Go to the D-League and get it, go to the NBA and get it, go to the NFL and get it. Don't ask us what we've been doing.
1 year, 1 month ago on Report: New Themes Emerge During NCAA, Athletic Directors Meeting
Both sides of the debate.
1 year, 1 month ago on NCAA Prez Emmert Promises “A Lot Of Change” Over The Next Year
A few years ago I couldn't persuade many of my friends that a football play-off was on the horizon. Now it is. Lately, I've tried to convince some of the same folks that the NCAA as we know it now, will either be killed off or will be radically changed. Oh, it may not happen this year, or the next, but it will happen. There is nothing new about the argument, it's been going on for years. The guy most responsible for the modern day NCAA is Walter Byers. Mr. Byers was the head of the NCAA from 1951 to 1988. A few years after his retirement, in 1995, he published a book, Unsportsrmanlike Conduct : Exploiting College Athletes.
“The college player cannot sell his own feet (the coach does that) nor can he sell his own name (the college will do that). This is the plantation mentality resurrected and blessed by today’s campus executives… Prosecutors and the courts, with the support of the public, should use antitrust laws to break up the collegiate cartel – not just in athletics but possibly in other aspects of collegiate life as well.” - Walter Byers, the first executive director of the NCAA (1951-1988)
Byers was responsible for negotiating the first television contracts. He was responsible for what we now call March Madness. He was the guy that created the term "student athlete" so the schools could not be liable for injuries suffered by players.
Folks should read his book.
@John at MrSEC @vol66
Just to be clear, I am for a more radical change. The point of my post was to suggest that, A. There is nothing wrong with players who have no representation organizing a group. B. If the basic NCAA is to stay as is, would there be some things that could be fixed in addressing some of the obvious problems.
The major issue is the hypocrisy, real or perceived. From the Manziel thing, to the Miami fiasco and there are many other examples.
The LOI is a lopsided contract, it protects the school, but in a lot of ways, not the student.
The risk of 85 players all bolting is pretty small...but the threat that it could happen would force the school to make a buy out for a coach so obscenely high the first two years, neither the coach or the other school would be willing to pay it. Again, this goes back to being hypocritical. The student athletes look at the adults, who I would say also appear to "have their hands out" looking for even more.
Another glaring example of hypocrisy, The EA Sports lawsuit. The NCAA just shouldn't have done this, much like the on line store selling players jerseys. If you are going to be the enforcer of morality in college sports, you must not do something that creates the perception of wrong doing.
As for pulling down the entire roof, it seems to me that Slive and the other honchos are reluctant to get rid of the NCAA. However, they aren't going to wait forever. The agent/runner issue was brought up at least three years ago at the SEC meetings and the NCAA has done nothing. For every kid with his hand out, there is an adult there giving out the money. While the Kid, Mo Couch for example loses a lot for his mistake, the adult loses nothing and so they are likely to keep doing it to the next player that comes along. Sure seems like the students are being held to higher standard than the adults.
Out of time at the moment, there's more...thanks for the site, I read it everyday.
1 year, 2 months ago on MrSEC.com Says Go Ahead And Give College Players Cash (And All That Goes With It)
Oh, the outrage. A group of players who collectively bring in billions of dollars for universities, coaches, NCAA executives, Bowl representatives, ESPN, CBS, etc...would like to organize.
If one is for not paying the players, is there nothing about the current system that needs to be changed? The answer can't be "no system is perfect."
If a school is not going to give a student a four year scholarship, most are one year renewables, then why should that student hand over his/her likeness in perpetuity? Why should the NCAA get to sell those rights?
Go after Johnny Football, sure...while the NCAA is selling his jersey, um,,,,was...until Bilas shamed Emmert into taking down the online store.
If these united players can achieve full cost of tuition, which the SEC is in favor of, would that be a bad thing?
If these united players could get some new legislation in regards to transferring if the coach that recruits them bails after one season, would that be bad?
If these united players could help with their voices regarding agents/runners, would anyone listen...should they have a voice? Slive announced his displeasure with the NCAA's inaction on this topic.
What you condone, you promote.
The message I've been hearing much of lately is...Everyone is taking money, we know it and as long as nobody "rats", it's fine. As long as no one gets caught, it's fine. That's the current system, bury your head in the sand and hope your school doesn't get caught.
I kind of thought this would be a bigger deal around these parts.
1 year, 2 months ago on Mike Slive: NCAA Needs To Change Agent Rules
I can't speak about UA, but if you've got enough space for 3 football fields, sure seems like you could use a portion of it to build an indoor track and field facility. Seems that since the building you are tearing down housed the indoor T&F facility, some thought, some planning, might have gone into where the team might train.
1 year, 5 months ago on A Waterfall In Bama’s Locker Room? Maybe We’re Spending A Bit Too Much On Athletics
Here's my beef with going to a nine game schedule. It's not likely to cure scheduling the patsies. Tennessee plays Oregon and three cup cakes this year. Alabama plays Va. Tech and three cupcakes. Florida plays Miami and Florida State and two cup cakes. South Carolina plays UNC and Clemson and two cupcakes. LSU plays TCU and three cupcakes. As a Vol fan, would I rather see Oregon or say... Ole Miss? We've played UCLA, Notre Dame, etc... in the past and I fear those are the games I'll lose. Florida's not likely to take on another SEC foe AND play Miami and FSU, one of those games would go and a patsy would be put in its place. We could discuss SOS...Tennessee plays Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Missouri, Auburn, Vanderbilt and Kentucky, of the remaining SEC teams which one should we schedule that would make out SOS better than Oregon? As was stated in the piece, the coaches would schedule as many cupcakes as possible, so I'm not confident they'd want to keep scheduling OOC games with tough opponents. JMO
1 year, 7 months ago on The Battle Over SEC Scheduling Heats Up… But There’s No Such Thing As A “Fair” Schedule
The former player development coach, the one that made the video, the one who lost his job for going to his son's practice ...that guy said, the coach used "Lithuanian fa***t as a "nickname" implying that he was called this on a regular basis.
As for the video, I see very little coaching and a whole lot of cowardice.
Let me be perfectly clear. Biruta transferred. He was willing to sit out a year just to get the F out of there. Bobby Knight was from a different time, and by the time he caught up to modern society or vice versa, he'd already been given multiple shots at keeping his job...maybe because he won. Since everyone else, including this site, is speculating...I speculate that Pennetti was done with Rice anyway. His conference record sucked and he was not going to be the coach when Rutgers began play in their new conference, the Big whatever. However, why pay a buy out before you have too? Why risk letting this mess come up WHILE you are negotiating with Jim Delany, or maybe Pernetti was so all consumed with conference realignment he couldn't be bothered? My guess is that Pernetti will be out of job soon as well, not because I'm part of some lynch mob out to sway public sentiment, but because Mr. Pernetti showed very poor judgement, and most importantly, he did not put the players first. Average fans of the program recognized there was a problem and those around the program chose to ignore it, or keep mum because "what goes on at practice stays at practice". In other words, they were cowards.
1 year, 7 months ago on Blood, Give Us More Blood: Now Everyone Wants Rutgers Hammered
Why not just post yer boy Jay...
1 year, 7 months ago on Auburn A.D. Reviewing Allegations, Chizik And Muschamp Deny Charges
Thanks for the link, unfortunately it's a bunch of statements by anonymous sources. It's on a Pro-Auburn website. While it is more information, pardon my skepticism.
also read the comment section and keep in mind this was a year ago.
If Gil Biruta was sitting in an English class and the professor addressed him as a Lithuanian F*****!, how many more chances would that professor get to teach that class? My guess is that every student in the class would complain and that would be the end of that professor's tenure.
@John at MrSEC @vol66
That may have been a reasonable punishment for "an" incident. The reason many are upset is that Pernetti characterized it as "an" incident when he originally punished the coach.
Rice allegedly threw basketballs at players' heads during an incident during his first or second season as coach, the New Jersey Star-Ledger reported. The paper reported the suspension will cost Rice $74,905.
Athletic director Tim Pernetti handed down the punishment but also said the violations of athletic department policy do not put Rice's job in jeopardy.
There are always the who knew, when did he know, how much did he know, questions...but it certainly seems like they were trying to "cover up" the extent of Rice's ,um...behavior. Just my opinion.
Not to speak for Mr. Berliner, I don't think he's referencing the actual "crimes" when comparing the two schools. He's comparing the way these sorts of things, incidents, if you will, are handled administratively and how it seems to happen over and over and over. Not just at Rutgers or Penn State, it seems like every school. My own take...it's incredible, that in todays world, the higher ups at Rutgers thought they could handle this "internally". It's laughable. FOIA., twitter, you tube, everyone has a camera on them at all times, 24 hour sports networks...Hard to teach an old dog new tricks I guess.
The problem is the hypocrisy, John. Emmert came on to the NCAA scene like Matt Dillon from Gun Smoke. Well, if Matt Dillon has been breaking laws himself, how much credibility does he have? LSU settled with the whistle blowers, even apologized to one of them. More importantly, if you go back through the minutes of the LSU Faculty Senate meetings, they create a new office to protect whistle blowers because of the incident. They recognized there was no protection against university retaliation for the employees who report to their supervisors. IMO, that's an admission.
In this case LSU promised the whistle blower they would not make her name public and then the AD, Skip Bertman, did exactly that by releasing enough info to the press that a google search would out the person. That is retaliation, classic, SEC text book (no pun intended), "We don't want to have ineligible players before the bowl game. Get on board or get out", retaliation.
What you permit, you promote.
So, flash forward to the NCAA investigation into UNC. Whatever the result, one could look at the NCAA findings with a skeptical eye, because the head of the organization conducting the investigation lacks credibility. In what may seem like a weird comparison, Emmert is like Ed Rush, no matter what call that guy makes from here on out, people will have a reason to doubt his motives.
1 year, 7 months ago on USA Today Digs Into Emmert, Digs Up Issues For LSU, Saban
my final salvo, is this THE guy to lead young men and women of tomorrow?
1 year, 7 months ago on Better Think Twice Before Cheering On The O’Bannon Lawsuit
I really appreciate the debate AllTideUp and DaveInExile , much respect to you both and Tide, Mal Moore was a great one, sorry for your loss.
Tennessee is having issues because the former AD was in an arms race to build the latest Taj Mahal of football indoor facilities while paying buyouts for Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, Raleigh, Pearl...as an aside, in what world does a coach get a show cause ban and walk away with money...only at UT, lol. Sorry for getting off topic, oh and we gave Pat Summit a cool million, she deserved it...My point is this. A little management, some winning and some conservative book keeping, along with a little imagination regarding who REALLY is bring in the dough...coupled with a desire to do the right thing...could solve this painlessly. Of course, the NCAA and the university presidents are smarter than I, they know this...I think they like it the way it is, who wouldn't?
I don't know. But it's pretty easy, until a 17 year old kid, who just signed with the Cowboys gets a DUI and guys like me and you say, Butch Jones or Nick Saban could've prevented this.
I'm not saying any of this is easy...you keep talking about fairness...what is fair to Robert Griffin 3 and Tim Tebow, and Brittney Griner might not be fair to the second string point guard, but the second sting point guard isn't selling officially licensed merchandise for anyone either.
If the lawsuit starts a discussion about it, I think it's good. I'm not for taking it all to the ground, but I think there's room for change and I don't think it will destroy anything or be worse than, for instance, expansion of super conferences.
All the NFL has to do is say..."We put no age limitations on when we will take an athlete into professional football."
I just don't agree with that. Our softball team far exceeds our baseball team in attendance with regularly sold out games and more TV time...to go further...our football team has been on a horrendous 5 year run, the money is coming in somehow...your former asst. AD Dave Hart has done in depth interviews regarding how bad off our finances are in comparison to the rest of the league and yet...we've cancelled no games in any sport, the Tennis team is still truckin, just watched a Lady Vol doing some diving. We're in the dumps, probably 12th in the league , if not worse, yet The Games Go On.
@AllTideUp @vol66 think, not thin
@AllTideUp @vol66 You've already stated the football won't be going away. It's not going anywhere.
I agree, baseball won't go away, at least in the SEC. Neither will women's softball. I don't thin women's soccer will go away. Track, swimming, diving...depends on the programs. We don't offer gymnastics, but UGA does and that won't go away for them. We don't have Lacrosse, but it won't go away at UNC, Syracuse or Duke...The cream will rise to the top.
I'm not saying it's not a good deal. I'm saying with a little imagination, simple business 101, really, it could be a great deal. Going to Europe for basketball has the same stigma attached to it as going JUCO does...nobody WANTS either one, it's at best where you bide your time before a professional league is willing to take you or at worst where people are considered not good enough for college or for the pros. I'm all for the Peyton Mannings, they honor their schollies and come back for their senior year because they love their college experience, but I also recognize that not everybody wants that...what's worse is that we ALL know that and we say, "it's our way or this less than our way, that's it...you don't HAVE to sign away on the dotted line, but all of the other avenues suck, what do you want to do?"
No, it is not fair. Collegiate baseball players have the opportunity to go pro IF THE MLB thinks that they can make it. They have a system, single A, Dbl A, and Triple A, to bring them along....If the MLB does not draft a player then those players can go to college and they get aid, merit based aid, pell grants if they qualify, etc...that will not change, right?
What does need to change is simple. The football program who pays the coach and his staff far more then they are worth, far more than the revenue the AD collects, who then goes to the fund raising arm and says, "We need to make up this salary differential by raising more funds and telling the parents and the kids that the "Full Ride has gone up from $30,000 dollars/year to $40,000." In other words, rolling the cost of the coaches into the 85 schollies (in football).
They enter into the scholarship agreement because it is beneficial to them
Many do, some, like Calipari's kids do not, it's their only avenue, the same with football.
What happens when half the money available disappears? Just do the math.
It's not half of the money, it's half the tv money
I'm saying change happens for all sorts of reasons. I don't know for sure, but I think wrestling is probably one of the oldest Olympic sports, if not the oldest. Yet, the Olympics decided it was in it's best interest to cut it. Last I checked, rugby is a club sport at most schools. There is no budget, yet many schools still have rugby "clubs". As We Know It. In other words, if your worse case scenario happens, and I do not agree that it will, but if it does, I'll bet most non revenue sports will continue, just not in the way we know it now. I just got done watching my Lady Vols get bounced from the tourney by Louisville. They carry their own weight, they have, if not right now, had huge stars like Holdsclaw and Candace Parker. Like Brittney Griner, like Tim Tebow....folks that could make as much money off their college careers as they could off of their professional one. However, they are denied the opportunity. That is wrong, that's all I'm saying.
Dave, I agree that reform is necessary, but I'm also not scared of it. The NCAA was created to figure out how to keep football players from dying on the field. It has morphed into a police force of sorts. They do a good job of putting on championships. Though, I always wonder why the NCAA would farm out the most popular D1 sport to an antiquated bowl system.
In terms of forcing kids to go the 'ol college route, only baseball has a system in place to take kids right out of high school and develop them. In recent memory, a kid like Bryce Brown, who doesn't want a college degree has to flounder about for two years because "The System" doesn't have a place for him. Why would the NFL want to pay to develop a "minor league system"? They already have one, it's college...and the sad thing is, everyone knows it and no one will admit it. Look at basketball and the "one and done" issue, Calipari is preparing them for the NBA with no intentions of getting those kids a degree, and the kids have no intention of getting a degree. Both parties are gaming "The System", but how can you blame them?
Football coaches, athletic directors, basketball coaches, The NCAA President, conference commissioners all earn tremendous salaries from what the players give in return for the schollies. In fact, all of those folks make more than the university presidents they serve. If Pat Haden was really concerned about money, why does he force non revenue teams to travel further and further with every round of expansion? The answer is TV money, I guess that makes up the travel costs. It's a giant money grab and every college AD and conference commissioner is in on it, so they look a little foolish and very hypocritical when they won't, at least, grant full cost of tuition scholarships.
Let's put it another way. If Jadeveon Clowney got paid like a song writer got paid for having a radio "hit", ESPN would owe him some "change". Pat Haden just hired the coach from FGCU. He was makin' $157,000 dollars. That's a pretty nice sum for coaching 13 players. He will now make over 1 Million dollars to coach 13 players. Something is wrong with this picture, don't ya think?
@AllTideUp The Olympics recently cut wrestling, no?
"Personally, I hope the larger schools will start offering full-cost-of-tuition scholarships to their players as many have recently discussed. But I also hope that Team O’Bannon loses its over-the-top, paradigm-busting lawsuit in the courtroom. That’s because I believe you can fix a system without destroying a system."
The problem with the last sentence is that those who run the system won't fix the problems without being forced to do so. They don't think they are intentionally, artificially deflating the worth of the players. They don't think that the players are employees because it's not in their interest, financially, to do so. The NCAA thinks a player should GIVE the NCAA the right to use, or sell his/her image FOREVER as it sees fit. That is ludicrous and that is at the crux of the case. As for the TV revenue, that seems like every other lawsuit to me...you ask for everything and hope you get something. Public sentiment will not declare the victor in this case, a judge will.
We have serious concerns whether these proposals, as currently written, are in the best interest of high school student-athletes, their families and their coaches," the statement reads...when they start worrying about the players already on campus it will be a breath of fresh air, get a load of these guys!
1 year, 9 months ago on Big Ten To Add More Conference Games; Is This Another Lure For UVA, GT, UNC And Duke?
I offer these simple two rules that could be enacted that would stop much of the madness...
No coach and the staff he/she hires can make more money than the president of the university and his/her staff.
We won't participate in a road game that costs us more than had we hosted the same game.
@RoggespierreI agree with that and that's at the heart of O'Bannon.
They could pay the players now if they wanted to, three different ways have been promoted, yes maybe one coach wouldn't make 4 million dollars a year anymore, so what.
I'm not suggesting anything other than maybe this is not being done in the interests of the players. It's being done for all the wrong reasons. Now if the players could organize and have attorneys they might find quite a bit wrong with the motives of the NCAA and the leagues.
While we are going back in time... Southern Conference charter members were Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi State, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Washington & Lee. In 1922, six more universities - Florida, LSU, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tulane, and Vanderbilt joined the conference. Later additions included Sewanee (1923), Virginia Military Institute (1924), and Duke (1929).
By 1932 13 of those schools split to form the SEC .
History repeats itself.
They won't cut, they'll add as they have done so far.
Oh, believe me I understand. Nobody wants to see Tennessee play Appy State or Memphis, that's not great content. So instead we'll play Ole Miss and LSU. That's a great deal for me as a fan, but I'm not the one that was gonna get a half off while my brothers who rarely play get some game time experience.
Let's be honest, it's all about the money, it's not about anything else. They don't care that the softball team has to play and pay for a trip on the other side of the country or what that does to the academic calendar we'll just keep taking until the well is dry.
I find it interesting that in the article or in the comments there is no discussion of how going to 9 or 10 games is good or bad for the athletes. What does this expansion do for the athletes? I certainly see why the leagues and their partners want it, MORE CONTENT. More content and they pay the actual people in the content NOTHING.If this were the NFL, the NFLPA would be up in arms, sadly the players have no representation and the school presidents who should be on their side look like they prefer the money. Shady buisiness all the way around.
Dooley is just not Grudenough.
2 years ago on UT’s Dooley Says He Doesn’t Think About His Job Status
2 years, 4 months ago on It’s Time To Stop Deifying Coaches And Players
That is an interesting point Xllarf brings up. Tennessee has traditionally always played at least one OOC game against another BCS conference school...I decided to fact check this so...from 2001-2017 we have played or will be playing in the future...Notre Dame 3 times, Miami twice, Cal twice, Air Force, UCLA twice, Oregon twice, NC State, Oklahoma twice, and Nebraska twice. Last year we got out of the UNC game, still played Cincinatti who turned out to be decent as the season wore on.
Because we, more than some others, have to recruit nationally, these games have always been important and as a fan I love it. I don't want to give up these games for another SEC game. Looks like to me we're already doing what the Big 10 will be doing for the next few years. We're scheduled to play USC in 2021-22...It will have been a long wait, I certainly hope to see that.
2 years, 6 months ago on With ACC Going To 9-Game Schedule, Only The SEC Plans To Lag Behind