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@Mike007 Are you really talking about the Big 8? Really? I mean we can talk about Notre Dame and the Four Horsemen too, but that has nothing to do with BCS-era football. Did Nebraska kill UT 15 years ago? Yep. Did they do it with a video game passing attack? Nope. They were big up front and ran it down our throat. Remember Eric Crouch and Tommy Frazier? Were they Brandon Weeden-type spread QB's? Hell no. They ran for 200 yards some games. You just made my point...the Big 12 can't beat SEC teams with their current high school-like offenses. Back when they were tough, physical offenses that ran the ball well they had success.
Your post actually refers to 1968 and 1975. Give me a break, man. Your original point was that Weeden and Blackmon would've had success in the title game. RECENT history with THAT type of offense from the Big 12 suggests they would've failed miserably. Then you make a dated reference to a Nebraska team that is no longer in the Big 12 having success against Tennessee running A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT KIND OF OFFENSE. Nice try, though. Six in a row.
2 years, 7 months ago on Ohio State Cancels Series With Georgia
@Mike007 What makes you think Okie State would've even scored against LSU last year? We have to listen to this crap every year..."Big 12 offense would beat an SEC defense". History suggests that's not the case, and it's not even close. Remember when OU and Bradford were gonna light up Florida? 14 points. Remember when McCoy was gonna light up Bama? Didn't even make it out of the first quarter. What a joke.
The bottom line is OK State lost to Iowa State. Period. Win that game and you would've had your shot. I guarantee Les Miles would've rather played some Big 12 Arena League team than a rematch with Bama. How many times do we have to shut down some gimmicky Big 12 offense before y'all realize you can't compete?
How many of these Big 12 spread attack QB's have to completely fail at the next level before you realize these passing yards are coming against phantom defense?
2 years, 8 months ago on Ohio State Cancels Series With Georgia
@Shrunken head You can't compare winning the Big 12 to winning the SEC. If winning the Big 12 mattered, I guess you all would still be in it.
2 years, 8 months ago on Texas AD Says SEC Has “A Sliver Of The East Side” Of Texas
@SulRoss Did you read my post or not? Lol. YOU PLAYED IN THE BIG 12 LAST YEAR. There's no more Iowa State, Kansas, and Texas Tech. You couldn't even beat a bad Texas team! How does it feel to start the season knowing you have AT LEAST three guaranteed losses (Bama, LSU, Arky)?
@Shrunken head Well let's see...East champs in 01, 04, 07. A&M won't sniff Atlanta unless they schedule Georgia Tech. You won any BCS titles? You draw 100k a game? You a founding member of the SEC, or have a $100 million athletic budget? Last team to win back to back SEC titles? You guessed it!
You couldn't win the Big 12...what makes you think you'll do better than us now that you don't get to play Kansas, Tech, and Iowa State every year? What a joke. Have fun in Tuscaloosa and Baton Rouge the next few years.
January 1, 2005: Tennessee 38 A&M 7. In Dallas.
But good point. Lol.
@TheN8tureBoy I just follow the mistakes. And our fam has had seats since we played in Stokely ;).
2 years, 8 months ago on SEC Meetings Recap: The Spurrier Proposal
@TheN8tureBoy Misinterpreted or you're incorrect? Haha. 27 isn't too old, now is it?
If you're not from the SEC, you may not understand it's big boy football. Welcome to mediocrity ;). Wait, you're already there.
@AndrewMartin You're right. Even if it is a sliver of the east side for now, it will be the whole damn state outside of Austin after a few years of A&M in the SEC.
@TheN8tureBoy Tennessee and Georgia. Lol.
Why would he fret? He already knows what's going to happen...regardless of outcomes on the field, Hart will can him ASAP. Maybe before the end of the season if things get bad enough. He'll then get a fat buyout and use his Saban connection to land an assistant gig at another big program. Plus, he's already made millions and his wife is a doctor. He'll be ok.
2 years, 8 months ago on UT's Dooley Isn't Fretting Over Hot Seat Talk
@TheN8tureBoy Guess I am older than you. I just figured you were a mid-50's Boy Scout leader based on your arguments and tone.
@TheN8tureBoy "You can't keep up". That's your response when you realize your reading comprehension has failed you.
I seriously doubt I'm older than you, bud.
@TheN8tureBoy He didn't say he wanted to play a round robin! Read it again. This post is about how he only wants division games to count in the standings. And you've reproduced? Jesus.
@TheN8tureBoy You didn't make a point. You're not right about anything. I will break this down for you one more time...
Spurrier is saying it now because we have 7 team divisions for the first time. Not six. And not a single conference of 8. Good Lord.
He's doing so now because the league just expanded and now you could have six conference games in your own division. Instead of five, like it was the majority of time he was at Florida.
Can you really not follow this?
@TheN8tureBoy What, exactly, are you "right" about? You made a dumbass comment without closely reading Spurrier's actual quote, I point that out, and your counter of "Steve Spurrier has been in the SEC for 20 years" makes you "right"?
The comparison SPURRIER made (you know, the subject of this post) was between the late 80's ACC and the current SEC. It has nothing to do with his time at Florida, or how long he's been coaching in this league. Your implication that he's being disingenuous by not suggesting a round-robin while he was at Florida unnecessarily muddies the waters, is not germane to this particular quote, and makes a comparison between very different situations.
All the man said was "it was cool when there were 8 teams in the ACC, we can't do that now, so let's just count division games". You respond to that with pointing out that he never wanted that at Florida, which is exactly what he's saying...the league was bigger than an 8 team ACC then, as it is now.
I would've thought they would've taught you better at McCallie or Baylor or whatever d-bag Chattanooga frat boy factory your parents sent you to because, as you've mentioned before, you were a little scared of public school.
@TheN8tureBoy He was talking about how great it was to play everyone in an eight team ACC. He states explicitly that you can't play all members in today's big conferences. He says it explicitly. During his ten years in the Swamp, the SEC had ten, then twelve members. Not eight.
@TheN8tureBoy No one said Warlick shouldn't be the coach, but my point was that all programs are down and things kinda suck right now.
No one thinks UT can win a national championship every season, but to point out that everything is sucking right now is 100% accurate.
As for running off Fulmer? I was on the fence about what we should've done with him, but you can't argue with his results...he really took his foot off the gas his last few years. Got lazy, IMO. He was still getting talent, but not developing it. You can make a strong argument that he is a big part of the reason we're in such a mess right now. Although I agree with a lot of people that it sure would be nice to have him right about now.
2 years, 8 months ago on UT Suspends Clear After Arrest
@TheN8tureBoy I mean really you're nitpicking about whether season ticket sales are down 10K vs. 20K. Good point. I hope that MTSU education serves you well. Now come cut my grass.
@TheN8tureBoy I love how you think you sound smart and just type the word fabrications, when a simple Google search will show that season ticket sales are down from about 75K in 2008 to just over 50K this year. Yeah, fabrications indeed.
@TheN8tureBoy last line should be "your" haha
Not to mention Derek Dooley flat out lying about Cam Clear for a week, and accusing reporters of making up his arrest. Time to go, Derek.
G-unit comes up from Memphis and starts stealing stuff. Shocking.
Dooley will be gone by Dec 1. Hart is cleaning house. Mike Hamilton looks worse and worse every day. Swimming coach fired for soliciting a minor on his UT computer and found a crack pipe under his desk. Only $5 million in the bank for the athletic department. Season tickets down to around 50k. NIT basketball team. Baseball team hasn't made SEC tourney in five years. Summitt gone and Warlick obviously can't get it done. Track program in ruins. Bud Ford suing because he doesn't get his undeserved golden parachute. Lesbos fired from Lady Vols suing left and right. Thanks, Mike.
More problems for Dooley. I guess the "messageboard journalists" got one right. Of course, given Dooley's history with D. Rogers, Clear will have to run a little bit and nothing happened.
2 years, 8 months ago on SEC And Expansion/Realignment Headlines - 5/23/12
The reason Clemson gets no respect in the polls is because they do the same thing every year. Start out 7-0, 8-0, maybe beat FSU, then collapse at the end. Same ol' Clemson. The people voting know this will happen every year.
2 years, 8 months ago on Clemson AD Talks TV, Expansion And SEC
I know this will be met with skepticism, but I've heard from people I know in the athletic department that Dooley is gone no matter what. 10-2, he's gone. Hart wants his own guy and no one believes Dooley can get it done.
What surprised me is how low of an opinion the people in the athletic department seem to have of Dooley as a person. If he's had one thing going for him, it's the whole "well at least he's a good guy" thing. I've heard he's not. Yelling at the grounds crew, having graduate assistants go get his car after work, stuff like that. I'm sure other coaches do that, and I'm not saying it's a big deal, it was just kind of surprising to hear because the perception has been "Derek Dooley; average coach but great guy".
Who really knows.
2 years, 8 months ago on UT's Dooley Says New A.D. Hart Has Re-Energized Him
@RussH That would be unfair to the SEC and Big 12 teams, as they would have a more difficult semifinal every year.
2 years, 8 months ago on Football Playoff To Be A Big Focus At SEC Meetings
@michael8349 You lost to Syracuse and Louisville. South Carolina would've owned you.
2 years, 8 months ago on SEC And Big 12 Agree To New Bowl, But What Else Does It Mean? And For Whom?
@michael8349 @JohnVol Tee Martin DID win it all, Pat White didn't. That's the difference.
@michael8349 #10 South Carolina is average or below. FACT. Hahaha. I'm starting to think you've never watched a college football game.
@michael8349 Yeah, I guess a top ten South Carolina team is average. Yep, #10 in the country is average. Get a clue. The SEC has so many top ten teams that you're forgetting them. "Yeah, all the SEC had last year was three top 5 teams". Hahaha. WVU is a joke.
Are you talking about the same Pat White who is tearing up the NFL? Wait a minute...
Or the WVU team that lost out on the national title game by losing to a bad Pitt team?
@michael8349 Alabama's strength of schedule was 15, WVU was 57 (Sagarin). Get some facts, dude. Bama played three top five teams in their own division (LSU twice, Arkansas). They went 2-1, with the only loss being by a FG in OT to LSU at home. WVU played LSU at home and lost by 26. The schedules don't even compare.
@michael8349 FIrst of all, LSU went undefeated in SEC last year. Auburn did the year before that, Bama did the year before that, Tennessee did in 1998, Auburn did in 2004...so you're wrong there.
So there actually is a really good chance you'd have to go undefeated to win the league. WVU wouldn't come close, therefore no BCS for WVU.
@michael8349 You're trying to make the argument that Rich Rod would've had success against the big boys, when he in fact DID coach against the big boys at a better program than WVU and went 15-22.
@michael8349 And yes, I know you're not in the Big East anymore. But that's where you were when Rich Rod coached. Ya know, before he ditched you to go to Michigan. Where he failed miserably.
@michael8349 Let's say you beat LSU (which you didn't, at home). Ok, that's one game. Go play #2 Alabama the next week. The following week go play #5 Arkansas. Then #20 Auburn. And when you're done with that, go play #10 South Carolina in Atlanta. Still think you'd make the BCS? You really think WVU would have beaten three top five teams in its own division, another in the top 20, and yet another top 10 team in the SEC Championship Game? Get a grip.
WVU could win a few SEC games, but the difference in the SEC is that you're playing a top 20 team almost every week. That's different than Rutgers, Pitt, Girls Prep, and whoever else is in the Big East. But let's not forget...LSU blew your doors off. I don't know what you're basing this argument on.
"If we can beat your champ"...hahaha. You didn't! You lost by 26. At home. You lost to them the year before that, too.
Ask a Michigan fan what they think of Rich Rod's teams.
@michael8349 So had Rich Rod still been there, you think WVU would've beaten that LSU team? No way. I like West Virginia, but if they had to play SEC competition week in and week out there is no way they would've qualified for BCS bowls.
Exactly. Look at what LSU did to WVU in Morgantown last year.
Great post, John.
I agree with the commenter below who suggested a sort of "home and home" for this new bowl game. One year the Big 12 hosts in Arlington, the next year the SEC hosts in either New Orleans or Atlanta.
I also agree that Slive's mindset was probably nothing more than "OK, Delaney. You want to watch Michigan go get killed by USC in the Rose Bowl? Fine. We'll play Oklahoma-LSU in Jerry World. We'll see which game is worth more money."
I wonder if Slive is trying to squeeze FSU out of the ACC to de-stabilize that conference and get two teams like VT and NC State. This would create huge new markets in big, fast-growing states that would make the SEC hundreds of millions of dollars in TV revenue.
All of this is very interesting. I'm just glad the SEC is going to come out on top no matter what.
@MoKelly I would also add that it's always some kind of whining from the Big Ten. They've complained about having higher academic standards, now playing a ninth conference game, hot weather, SEC in NCAA trouble...the list goes on.
I went to the Tennessee-Ohio State Citrus Bowl in 1996 (1995 season), the year Eddie George won the Heisman. UT won, Ohio State filed a formal complaint after the game because "our cleats were too long". I'm not making this up.
I also went to the Tennessee-Wisconsin Outback Bowl following the 2007 season. After UT beat Wisconsin, Bret Bielema said that we "hit too hard". We knocked out their QB on a legal hit (knockout as in black out). Bielema literally complained after the game in the press conference that we hit too hard.
It's always something with these clowns. The fact of the matter is that Ohio State, Michigan, etc. have their glory days behind them. As the North continues to flounder on the whole, the Big Ten is facing increasingly larger economic and demographic issues. This in addition to the fact that most of the top high school talent is in the South and West (excepting farm boy O-linemen).
It's only going to get worse, and Delaney knows it. I don't think Ohio State and Michigan will ever be BAD teams for long periods of time, but the league (region) as a whole is in trouble.
2 years, 8 months ago on Can We Please Stop The “Big Ten Teams Have To Play In Hot Weather At Bowl Time” Nonsense?
It's kind of like when USC goes to Notre Dame and can't handle the cold. Wait a minute...
The reasons there aren't bowl games in the North are the same reasons that people from there are leaving in droves...the weather sucks, the women are ugly, the economy is terrible, and there's nothing to do. Not to mention the accents. If people FROM Michigan are getting the hell out, why would anyone schedule a post-season football game there?
Is the Big Ten argument that Alabama wouldn't have beaten Michigan State by six touchdowns if if was 30 degrees cooler?
If the Big Ten is that concerned about it, why are they fighting tooth and nail to preserve their bowl tie in played in sunny Pasadena?
Is it just me, or does Laurie Fine look exactly like the new version of Gene Simmons?
2 years, 8 months ago on SEC Headlines 5/16/2012
@poooooook You're right about a new low, but if UT loses to NCSU I think the wheels will fall off and Dooley won't make the season. Tennessee will fill up the Georgia Dome has we always have in the past for SEC Championship Games and Chick-fil-A Bowls, but we get bumped to the equivalent of Lifetime because we're just not relevant right now. Depressing.
2 years, 8 months ago on Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game Times Set
@John at MrSEC What is jwolfe's problem? Get that guy out of here.
2 years, 8 months ago on Mizzou QB Berkstresser Arrested
@John at MrSEC You're exactly right. FSU turned down the SEC to play ACC basketball schools. Now, 20 years later, they're complaining because they play in a conference with a bunch of basketball schools. They made their bed.
2 years, 8 months ago on Internal FSU Battle Playing Out Externally; More Proof That The Tail's Been Wagging The Dog
@Tyler B Mizzou's record, stats, etc. have been compiled against Big 12 competition. They will take at least a two game dip in the SEC. Tennessee is down lately, for example, but they will beat Mizzou. Average SEC teams are bigger, faster, and deeper than the average Big 12 team.
Mizzou will lose to Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama, and Texas A&M. That leaves conference wins over Vandy and Kentucky. That would probably put them fourth in a 7 team East.
I could care less about the Big 12 and FSU unless it affects the SEC in some way. But this is very interesting reading and analysis. Great work, MrSEC.
I don't mean the above as a shot at this site in any way. I love MrSEC.com and I check the app four or five times a day!
2 years, 8 months ago on Y'ever Notice That The Media And Those Who Hate The Media Play By Two Different Sets Of Rules?
I think the reason many people are so quick to criticize "traditional" media is because "traditional" media are so quick to criticize everyone else. I've never seen more group masturbation from a profession like I read in "traditional" media every day. I think established media are, on the whole, more accurate if you group all non-traditional outlets together. However, there are many, many sources of information that break news and provide good analysis that aren't owned by Gannett or Scripps.
I understand the backlash from newspaper people, as their's is a dying profession, but attacking legitimate news sources that don't happen to publish on broadsheets is only hastening the demise of the overweight, chain-smoking, golly-shucks sportswriter.