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@DrDOit @jalangaya That is an out & out lie They were voicing support for a people wanting to throw off an oppressive and thoroughly corrupt government and they most certainly did NOT threaten sanctions if they did not!!!
The threat of sanctions was made when Yanukovich's Berkut thugs started beating and shooting protesters and it was made only against Yanukovich and his inner circle, NOT against Ukraine as a whole.
5 days, 6 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116810/putin-declares-war-ukraine-and-us-or-nato-wont-do-much
@jalangaya Just "a motley gang of western-sponsored hooligans", huh?
I guess that's why both the Ukrainian police and the military informed Yanukovich that they weren't going to shoot their own people to save his butt, which is what actually caused him to flee the country.
I also guess that's why 72% of the Ukrainian Rada, including many members of his own party, voted to remove him from office, right?
Wow. I wasn't aware that a "motley gang of western-sponsored hooligans" could have so much power.
You're either just one of the many FSB-paid shills that have been infesting message boards like this one for the past two months, or you've been brainwashed with anti-western propaganda since you were a child and you've been watching too much Russian state TV news.
@DrDOit @Dan Ramsey You are, quite simply, wrong. I have many Ukrainian friends and I can assure you that the entire country of Ukraine is most definitely NOT "pro-Russian".There is a cultural affinity between the two countries, definitely. But most people, especially in the north and west of Ukraine, want no part of Russia.
And I never said that Russia has stolen money from Russian banks. What I said was that Putin and his flunkies have stolen billions from Russian taxpayers and then deposited that money into western banks. Those assets can be frozen.
Finally, I said nothing about kicking Russia off of the UN security council. I said they should be kicked out of the G8 and the WTO.
Before trying to argue points with me, I'd suggest that you learn how to read first.
5 days, 7 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116810/putin-declares-war-ukraine-and-us-or-nato-wont-do-much
@Bret123 @Dan Ramsey I suggest you go read some history, moron. It is replete with examples of what happens when international bullies are not confronted and stopped. Specifically, I suggest you pay special attention to Hitler's invasion of the Rhineland in 1935. You will find many parallels to the current situation.
The US and NATO have vast economic and military superiority over Russia and Putin knows it. If we signaled a willingness to stand up to him in Ukraine, he would probably be satisfied with just taking the Crimea. But allowing him to annex the eastern half of the country, as he plainly intends on doing, will only invite greater trouble later on.
Putin might be a bastard, but he's a rational bastard. He would never use his nukes unless NATO actually invaded Russia and the very survival of he Russian state was in question.
This is a naked power grab, plain and simple. He's doing what he's doing now because he believes he can get away with it. Given the current feckless leadership in both the US and the EU, he's probably right.
@Alan Graham They gave up the Soviet Union because they were bankrupt and had no choice, Alan.
And as far as Vladimir Putin is concerned, the Cold War never ended.
@MaximusRex @Bret123 Because preventing Vladimir Putin from reconstituting the Soviet Union is very clearly in our national interest. This is even more true for Europe.
@AttyFAM @Dan Ramsey You clearly aren't very up to speed on the relative capabilities of US and Russian technology. US F-22s could very easily sweep the skies of any Russian aircraft, to say nothing of Europe's top-of-the-line fighters. NATO air superiority would be established quickly in any real war, leaving the A-10s and the Apaches free to chop Russia's ground forces into hamburger. It would be Iraq 1991 all over again. The flat and open terrain in Eastern Ukraine does not afford many good hiding places.
As for logstical support, you are operating under the assumption that eastern Ukraine is like the Crimea in terms of its support for Russia. It is not. There would be ample logistical support available at existing Ukrainian air bases and a very substantial portion of the population in the eastern Ukrainian oblasts, even though they speak Russian, hates Russia and Putin. They, unlike many others, see him for what he really is.
@ancab @Dan Ramsey Did you even read my post, Einstein? If Putin cuts off the gas to Europe, then his government will quickly run out of money. Aside from oil & gas, vodka, cheap assault rifles and caviar, Russia doesn't produce anything that the rest of the world wants to buy.
@Sabatia "Thirty thousand poles were slaughtered"? You must remember a different history than I do. I remember those days well, but I don't remember any mass slaughter of Poles by the Russians. Sure, the Russians eventually forced Jarulczeski to clamp down and people were arrested, but there were no massive casualties.
Reagan stood up to the Soviet Union and instead of deferring to them, challenged them at every turn and in so doing, won the Cold War without firing a shot.
@GlRemote So the Russians don't have a problem with breaking treaties?
@herloff This is utter crap. "Right Sektor" accounts for only a small portion of the protesters on The Maidan. Russia is cynically playing up Ukraine's tragic World War II history by labeling anyone who opposes Yanukovich as "fascists" and "extremists". But the number of true "right-wing extremists" is small. Every country has them.
The Ukrainian revolution occurred because Victor Yanukovich abused his power and his people. The great majority of those who made it happen were ordinary Ukrainians, not "fascist extremists".
Unfortunately, many of the people in Crimea and eastern Ukraine have been brainwashed with this crap for so long that they cannot think clearly. It sounds like you are one of them. They conveniently forget how it was Russia, not the west, that caused the death of 20,000,000 Ukrainians in the "Holomodor".
Besides, it is the Russians who are the true fascists. If you dare speak out against Putin or Yanukovich, you are jailed on trumped-up charges, beaten up, or even killed. The law doesn't matter, If Putin decides that you are guilty, then you are guilty. That's the true definition of "fascism". And yet you seem only too eager to run into his arms for "protection". It makes me shake my head in amazement.
What is going to ultimately happen, I think, is that Ukraine will split into two pieces. The north and west will do what Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary have done. They will adopt western values, the will join the EU, and they will prosper. In the east, you will become a Russian rump state, your economy will continue to suck, you will continue to be plagued by corruption, you will get zero capital investment from the outside world, and in 20 years you will look at your prosperous neighbors to the west and wonder how you all could have been so stupid.
I have to disagree 100% with the idea that there's nothing the west can do to stop Putin. Putin is nothing but a bully, and bullies stop when they encounter significant opposition. Here's a list of things the west can do:
1) Immediately suspend Russian membership in the G8 and WTO
2) Immediately freeze the billions that Putin and his cronies have stolen and stashed in western banks
3) Immediately impose a trade embargo against Russia and cut off all capital flows to that country.
4) Move two US aircraft carrier battle groups into the Black Sea
5) Move US Apache attack helicopters and F-22 fighters into position at Ukrainian air bases in the eastern part of the country. Have the B-2s at Aviano and Incirlik warmed up and ready to go.
If the EU does the same, Putin will back down. For all his bluster, Putin knows full well that he would stand no chance at all in a full-blown war facing Ukraine, the EU and the US combined. Sure, he has a lot of soldiers at his disposal, but most of his military equipment is old and outdated.
No doubt Putin will threaten to cut off gas supplies to Europe and to Ukraine. It's a bluff. Doing so would hurt Russia more than it would hurt the west. Oil & gas sales are the only thing bringing in any significant money to the Russian government these days. Without those sales, Russia's government would be bankrupt within months.
The time for coddling and deferring to this miserable bastard is over. Instead, he should be aggressively confronted everywhere. That will hasten his demise, which is what we should all want.
I wouldn't start throwing babies into the air just yet, Ruy.
The only reason the Republicans didn't win in Virginia yesterday was because, as they have so often done elsewhere, they nominated a hard-core Bible-thumper who gave the Tea Partiers heart palpitations but drove away moderate Republican and independent voters.
If they'd instead nominated a sensible, mainstream, business-oriented, moderately conservative candidate, they'd have won easily.
I'm a lifelong registered Republican but I wouldn't have voted for a
fundamentalist tool like Cuccinelli. Without voters like me, the
Republicans can't win in Virginia.
Eventually they're going to get tired of losing winnable elections and they'll work up the courage to tell the Tea Party to go **** themselves.
The sooner the better.
3 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115501/terry-mcauliffes-victory-almost-makes-viriginia-blue-state
@Roggespierre LOL!!!! That's utterly ridiculous. The ACC came out WAAAAAAAY ahead when it traded Louisville for Maryland. The ACC is also adding Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame in 2014. To suggest that the ACC will lose it's status as a power conference if Maryland leaves is patently absurd. The ACC isn't going anywhere. In fact, the ACC has, by a fairly significant margin, the largest TV footprint of any conference in the country.
11 months, 2 weeks ago on Realignment-Followers Hold Their Breath As Blowback Increases Against Maryland’s Move
Wait until the first cable or satellite TV provider decides to go to an "a la carte" programming model as opposed to the current "package" model where subscribers are forced to pay for a channel regardless of whether or not they ever watch it or not. When that happens ... and it will because it's what consumers want ... the The Big 10 Network's revenues are going to fall off a cliff and the leagues presidents are going to realize that Jim Delany talked them into massively watering down their product by adding two schools like Maryland and Rutgers.