brian hamilton
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@thomaslrowe @BAMANOLE26 Whoa there sparky, no need to get testy. I just said that, from my understanding, it would depend on the language of the contract and that as far as I know these agreements between conferences hadn't been tested yet. Not knowing the language of the GOR or much about them I have no idea. All I do know is that it does eventually expire which means that this is at most a stop-gap. I didn't say the B1G or ACC would poach schools tomorrow, just that from his talk he is still interested in pursing ACC schools.
@thomaslrowe @BAMANOLE26 That depends on which legal expert you listen to. Some say the language is iron clad, others say not so much. They haven't been tested in court as far as I know and we've seen what has happened to other contractual agreements tying schools to a conference
Sounds like Delaney is hinting at going after the northeast ACC schools, which has been rumored for quite a while. If this is the case I wonder how long it would take Slive & Co. to go after the remaining ACC schools to prevent the B1G from infiltrating farther South. The regional maps of the SEC and B1G are coincidentally starting to look like a map of the US during the Civil War, dividing the States into Union and Confederate areas. That would be especially true if both leagues wind up swallowing the ACC with them splitting the Virginia schools.
Couldn't agree more. As Bobby Hartin said on the radio yesterday, he didn't kill trees he killed a tradition and he should've gotten a longer sentence.
I think Slive is smart enough to take option 3 in the short term and option 1 in the long term. By sticking with the Longhorn network model for a contracted period of say, 10 years, the SEC incurs no start up costs and allows the network to grow and gain popularity while being safe from any risk and still getting a paycheck every year. After the initial contract expires going with a purely owned (PAC12) or a split (B10) model would be incredibly easy and make even more money. By going with the Longhorn option in the beginning it makes sure the SEC gets paid no matter what and also gives them more leverage when the initial contract expires.
The board of trustees is put in place by the governor, the board of governors along with the university president and the faculty chair. Besides the university president and faculty chair you can only be on the board for 5 years. So that whole "he's rock solid and will be there until he dies" thing is completely false.
As a longtime FSU fan I do not want my school to move to the B12. I just don't and I don't think it makes sense for many reasons. I do know that many fans and many within the university are growing weary of the ACC, mostly because what FSU did in the 90's to put the conference on the map seems to have been ignored. As far as Haggard, I know personally (my mother worked at Florida State for years directly under the Dean of the College of Science) that just about everyone else at Florida State cares about academic reputation. There's a reason that they tout the science and art departments as well as the Rhodes Scholars. Granted, Florida State's academics aren't necessarily tied into which conference it plays sports in, but perception is reality and playing sports against teams with a high academic rating makes the perception of your academic rating better then it counts. I really do wonder though if all of this talk is somehow the seizing of an opportunity to push some interest out of the SEC in the direction of Florida State. After all, that is where we wanted to go 20 years ago.
FSU doesn't need money to compete with UF, We've been competing with them for quite a while and have done just fine. Even when we were an independent, we still competed with UF. That means academically and athletically.
@OldArmy I'd be more than happy to give a good ole Florid boy some info on FSU's roster. I agree with you that I wish Bowden had exited sooner and a bit more gracefully, but after seeing what happened to JoPa and The Bear after they left the game, I can't really blame the man for wanting to stick around.
@OldArmy Sorry I misread some of what you had written. I grew up in Tallahassee and cannot stand UF on the playing field. That being said, I have great respect for their university and have many friends who are UF fans (hell, my granddad was a gator). I love the game every year and would love to see it spiced up even more with conference implications. Just wish it could have happened when Bobby and the OBC were still there. How much fun would those games have been?
@big12source Your assumption that FSU and Clemson would jump to the B12 to be the 2 teams to get them to the championship game is just that. An assumption. Logically they could also want to wait until the B12 has already gained 2 more members to achieve a CCG instead of leaving a conference with an established CCG. The big question with that is who else would they get to possibly entice FSU and Clemson to join? Also, the SEC and ACC both just went to 14 teams and the BigLeast just expanded to keep up as well. To me that means that the B12 is at even more of a disadvantage on many fronts, including renegotiated TV deals and rankings.
Thinking that FSU is at a disadvantage in recruiting to UF simply because UF is in the SEC is just laughable. Ask any UGA, UF or BAMA coaching staff and they'll tell you that FSU recruits just fine against them.Top 10 every year. Even after the lost decade, we are still recruiting top classes every year. So what would be the threat to them coming to the SEC? They stay in the top 10? It makes no sense.
@OldArmy That's pretty much what I said LOL. I think you meant that to be more directed at big12source
@big12source If you read what i wrote I said that "I think in the next few years" a move might open up. You have to remember that even if 3 out of 14 schools have a "pact" then there are still 11 schools who might want them. If expansion starts up again, which I doubt, and the SEC decides to make a move it would have to take from another "major" conference. If they were to take from another conference then the two most logical choices to take from would be the B12 and the ACC. Either way, FSU gets invited to join the SEC or the B12 crumbles. So either way, a move to the B12 wouldn't make sense for the long haul. Secondly, I always love the talk about how UF doesn't want FSU in the SEC because of recruiting. They recreuit the same territory anyway. FSU has been a top 10 recruiting team over the past 25-30 years just like UF. If FSU were to join the SEC then it would mean absolutely nothing in terms of recruiting, since they are recruiting against each other all the time anyway. Lastly, the budget shortfall has not been a continual problem. One year does not represent a trend. So you can't infer that FSU will continue to lose money. As a fan, I would rather stay in the ACC and travel to Syracuse and play Miami and Clemson every year than join the B12 and travel to Ames or Lubbock and be in a conference with no championship game.
As a FSU fan I would not be happy if Florida State went to the B12. Geographically it wouldn't make sense nor would it culturally. FSU fans and alums are getting fed up with the ACC and the seeming lack of attention paid to football playing schools and the lack of input that FSU has had on the decisions that have been made. As fans, we would much rather go to the SEC and have been wanting that for years. I think that in the next few years that might actually happen since UF's influence has waned somewhat and also since we have strong ties to other member institusions such as UGA (Richt was a fromer FSU assistant coach) LSU (Jimbo Fisher coached there and won a title under Saban) and so on. All I know is what I've gathered talking to other fans and alums that I know personally, and the only thing I do know is that a move to the B12 would be greeted more with boos than with cheers.