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@onetenther This language of "illegal alien", which has no place in a democracy and is unconstitutional as a bill of attainder under 1/9 of the Constitution is the language of ethnic cleansing, a violation of human rights, by people who cannot qualify for competitive jobs world-wide because they are incompetent.
1 year, 6 months ago on Utah Expands Legal Tender in the State
@onetenther There is no such thing as "illegal status" under the constitution because in practice, the use of the phrase, in punishing the children of undocumented immigrants (withdrawal of school and health care), punitive state immigration laws which target "illegal aliens" are in violation of the United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 9: "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.", where a "bill of attainder is punishment which effects "corruption of blood" by punishing one's descendants for a crime.
@onetenther @Patrick Henry Lives Do you know any socialists personally?
1 year, 10 months ago on Free at Last! Martin Luther King and Nullification
@onetenther So? This doesn't give them any Constitutional rights.
@Patrick Henry Lives Yes, we are free in the sense we can as Spartacus; this is Hobbes and Locke's doctrine of "natural rights in the state of nature" which the Founders knew of. We always have the right to resist authority as Christ did when he refused to cooperate with Pilate and make a pro-forma statement that "Hadrian is a God".Unfortunately, a Sovereign can always disobey the Constitution and stick it to us, whether in retaliation or because the Sovereign feels like it.But Tenthers want more: they want the rights of Nullification and Secesh to be affirmed as a law, and this is bullshit because no law can say "if you don't like this law do not obey it".They grew up with white privilege and feel unmanned by a new world and want reaffirmation by means of Nullification.Yes you have the right at all times to rebel whether nonviolently like Christ or violently as did the Founders. But "to live outside the law you must be honest" (Dylan). Insofar as you're Secesh, you Nullify, you resist you must accept as a matter of fact as did King that the Sovereign will nail your ass in retaliation.The problem with Tea Bags and Nullifiers is that as lower middle class authoritarians they basically, unlike Occupy, have too much respect for Authority to fight the power and INSTEAD they have a nasty tendency to kick people down the black and the brown. Which is why using Dr King is nauseating. Big man OPPOSED Nullification which was used by RACISTS.
Good points all, but most of you clowns SUPPORTED THE WAR. I was freezing my ass in the streets of New York City on March 15th 2003 as part of a world wide protest. Where were most of you clowns?
1 year, 10 months ago on The Costs of War
@Patrick Henry Lives The United States Constitution is an almost mathematical demonstration by the "liberal elite" of 1789, amended by the "liberal elite" of 1865 that we can get along no matter what our religion or color. It is as such a magnificent document. Don't mess with it. Reread the Second Amendment.
@Patrick Henry Lives "My kingdom is not of this world". If man is fallen, revolution will have bad effects in the form of new oppression as in the case of BOTH Communism, and Franco, who wanted to "return" Spain to a Catholic country and ended up slaughtering the workers.
As the former Polish Marxist Leszek Kolakowski knew, the ideals of socialism are always destroyed by violent revolution and the expropriation of the capitalists for that produces Terror when the expropriated capitalists take up arms.
The situation is the SAME when Christians rebel against the secular authority in the name of Christianity and Christ knew this.
@ht_cce This, as the Bastard says in Shakespeare's King Lear, the excellent foppery of the world.
Teabags and hags are Sixties children who followed the yellow brick road and now there ain't no more sugar tit and they is hopping mad. They now blame everybody, such as "liberals" but themselves.
@ht_cce Don't worry pard, they just use Dr King to get Useful Idiots and Fellow Travelers to what's basically a RACIST movement.
A RACIST movement whose leaders lie about what's in the Constitution to fools who no longer have the university level reading comprehension to understand the Constitution, and who when they say "buht h'it h'ain't inn thuh Konstitooshun" speak a sort of truth or they lack the ability to find "h'it".
@Patrick Henry Lives Your problem is that I'm not a Christian yet have your rights under the First Amendment to practice my religion which is no religion at all. You have to stay out of public schools with your silly Creationism according to the Constitution. And if you destroy my Constitution I will fight you. The United States is not a Christian country it is a multi confessional Constitutional Republic of which the historical Jesus would approve. In the words of Abraham Lincoln, who didn't mention God in the Gettysburg Address, it must not perish from the earth.If you turn it into a Vandal republic of warriors who use their Christianity to oppress women and blacks, Houston, you have a problem because I support the Second Amendment.
@Patrick Henry Lives Actually, in the time of the early Christians, Christians did submit to such treatment and worse because they took Christ's admonition literally to "turn the other cheek". Christ had told them that even if they were slaves and sex toys they had souls and this was revolutionary. He knew that in the context of the times and what had happened to Spartacus, resistance would be suicide.Whereas we have no direct Biblical guidance on what to do today other than to know your ass from a hole in the ground so you don't get people killed or set up a murdering theocracy.
@onetenther They are of course guilty of a crime if they commit one. But crossing a border illegally is an act which starts in their country so it's not a crime for them to do it. Especially if they're starving.
1 year, 10 months ago on Utah Expands Legal Tender in the State
@onetenther "You talk like a fag and you're shit's all fucked up" - Idiocracy
@onetenther That's the problem. You no longer understand your own Constitution.
Christianity never counseled nor supported rebellion until Luther. But Luther, once he had princely sponsorship, turned against the peasants and their rebellion in the 1540s.Between Luther and the 18th century rebellion was ONLY sanctioned on a religious basis, and the rebel, once victorious as was Calvin in Geneva, suppressed further rebellion. The Puritans who founded the Massachusetts Bay colony were rebels in England but witch-burning tyrants in Massachusetts.Religion per se rebels and then in turn tyrannizes. Whereas the irreligious, but profoundly spiritual, Enlightenment (which fathered Pietism, Quakerdom, the Lubavatcher and other more tightly bound and peaceful communities amongst the workers and middle class, and agnosticism and Deism amongst the elite) avoided Luther's tragic dialectic and culminated in the Constitution of the United States of America.There is no final revelation. Religions like to say there is which shores up the temporal power of their leaders. But in fact, rather than "return" to the Consttution we need to continue to adapt it to the modern world.
@onetenther There is indeed "something" in the Constitution forbidding states from controlling entry. It's called the Fourteenth Amendment and guess what, pal, it applies to a so-called "illegal immigrant" as soon as he enters the United States, since "equal protection of the laws" applies in the wording of the Fourteenth to all PERSONS "in" the United States. The Federal Reserve IS covered by full faith and credit and Federal supremacy. Money mad LOSERS cannot change this.
Riddle me this, riddle me thatThe problem, sir, is merely thatTruth is a riddle if it has been diddledBy swine who seek to mislead you
@onetenther Nor can the states exclude Federal Reserve notes unless ALL states without exception do so at one time, for this would violate IV/I: "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State.".
@onetenther No, read the Constitution, Article I Section 10 (Powers Prohibited of States): "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts".
This logically simplifies to: "No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts".
This does not REQUIRE the states to mandate legal tender, it instead RESTRICTS the tender power to specie coin. Since the section is entitled "Powers Prohibited to States" and not "what the states must do", the state in I/10 does not have to make specie legal tender but it may do so.
The section is entitled Powers Prohibited. These are all exceptions to the Tenth. States may not conduct foreign policy (which is why Arizona's new immigration laws are unconstitutional, grant letters of Marque and Reprisal, and they may NOT NOT NOT "coin" money where the usage of "coin" as a verb means "create fiat money".
However the states may, but do not have to, require creditors to accept gold and silver. This is a dead letter today since most creditors are engaged in interstate commerce and, if they don't want some clowns paying with gold, can simply locate the payment center in a different state.