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@RDyer @paulfromturlock I agree, Richard. Moreover, the Giants have failed to improve their team. They've laid back, in fact. Their farm system is one of the worst in baseball. There appears to be little or nothing on the horizon coming up. It will be a long time before the Giants compete for championships again. The future, in terms of winning baseball, is dismal although attendance will continue to grow (San Francisco ballgames are an "event") and the owners will continue to amass riches.
19 hours, 7 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/do-spring-training-records-matter-well-yes-and-no.html
Wish it were so, Paul. Aren't you being just a bit too optimistic?
5 days, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2015-archives/giants-title-defense-starts-in-phoenix-with-just-14-tickets.html
@3rdGenerationGiantsFan "We are a good team with the ability to be great." Not true. Wishful thinking. SF Giants management will love your tweaking but think about it, at best, the Giants are a mediocre baseball club, one not to get excited about. So go out to the games when you can find a scalper to sell you a way overpriced ticket and call it a "happening" because that's all it is. And if you, or others, continue to help the Giants sell out, nothing will change. Mediocrity...mediocrity...mediocrity.
7 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/
@West Coast Ram @paulfromturlock You didn't ask me but I'll reply if that's okay. I began to think that I had been wrong and severely questioned my own knowledge. I now realize that I was right but hadn't considered at least two factors: 1) The team was playing way above its head; 2) There was a need for an acceptable bench given that during a long baseball season there are always injuries and, as well, the Giants included a number of veterans so were more prone to injury than if they could be characterized as "young".
8 months ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/
@paulfromturlock Both Bochy and Sabean are willing captives of an ownership which cares not whether their team wins or loses but do care about how many seats are filled at AT&T Park and how well the concession stands are doing.
Both Bochy and Sabean have sold themselves out for important positions as well as megabucks. They are no longer baseball men. The mediocrity of the Giants baseball team is astounding. The trades and recent player changes they have made are merely a matter of shuffling the deck. They refuse to take any risks whatsoever.
@RDyer @TomGreybalt 29 June: After todays' games, Dodgers and Giants are in a virtual tie for first place in the National League West. What's your assessment of the situation now, Tom? I continue to be interested in your educated opinion.
9 months ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/2014-articles/lack-of-depth-highlights-the-giants-current-tailspin.html
@TomGreybalt @RDyer Well, Tom, you wrote your comments five-six days ago and, since, the Giants have continued losing and the Dodgers are within smelling distance of overtaking them? Do you think you could be wrong and Richard Dyer right? And if you agree that your assessment has been wrong, what measures would you have Giants management take to rectify the situation, if any, and what do you think they will actually do? Keep in mind, please, that attendance is sold-out for each and every game so far and it appears that it will remain so until season's end. Do you think that has anything to do with how Giants management will react to a team gone into such a virulent tailspin that it appears that their days at the top of National West is nearly zero? I'd like to read your reply. It's okay to admit that your analysis was all wet.
@maxwell623 @Robert Haymond@RDyer@Daniel_Stern Can't find it. Where did you find the article?
10 months, 3 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/uncategorized/giants-braintrust-ponders-rearrangement-of-deck-chairs.html
@Sabean Wannabe @RDyer@Robert Haymond@Daniel_Stern For your information, "Sabean Wannabe", I am a (former) American posting from Teko'a, in Judea, Israel. Just to be sure you are clear that we (Richard) and I are not the same person, following is my email address: firstname.lastname@example.org. Of course, I'd love to meet Richard and attend a SF ballgame with him and...you (disagreements included) as well! Dreams!
@maxwell623 @RDyer@Daniel_Stern@Robert Haymond Sounds like an interesting article. I'd like to read it. Can you reference it? Thanks.
@Daniel_Stern @Robert Haymond@Sabean Wannabe Look at a recent player who didn't want to play for them: Robinson Cano!
And let's see if the Giants will ever spend the required money and "lure" a top flight ballplayer to play in San Francisco. I do not think anything will change in 2014-15. We'll have to wait until the offseason for this bet, right?
10 months, 4 weeks ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/uncategorized/giants-braintrust-ponders-rearrangement-of-deck-chairs.html
@Sabean Wannabe @Robert Haymond
I actually checked the airlines: From New York City to Tokyo, the fastest route that I could find was 25 hours (three conncting flights). From San Francisco, 14.50 hours (one connecting flight).
Anyone who has recently taken a long long flight, as I have, realizes how exhausting these flights might be. In the interests of accuracy, "Sabean Wannabee", you are plainly wrong. Look it up if you don't believe me.
The greater concern is that San Francisco fans have been muted in terms of what a wonderful franchise the Giants really are (or could be). As a result (see comments), fans don't even believe that Tanaka would have even considered such a "second rate" as the Giants.
This comes as a result of a conscious attempt on the part of ownership to mute pride in the Giants so that fans will simply and unquestioningly assume that no first-rate high profile free agent would even consider signing with the Giants. Richard Dyer becomes a proverbial thorn in the side of Giants management because he questions and puts holes in such assumptions. That's one of the reasons I find reading his blog so enlightening.
I notice that Arias, batting .143, played 3B last night in a Giants/Tim Hudson, winning effort against San Diego. Arias was 1 for 3. Where was Pablo? Benched? Has Bochy lost confidence? I have.
11 months ago on Conversation @ http://thegiantscove.com/uncategorized/giants-braintrust-ponders-rearrangement-of-deck-chairs.html
@Sabean Wannabe @Robert Haymond
Maahiro Tanaka. Yes, had SF been willing to pay the price. Why? Closer, much closer to Japan and Mrs. Tanaka wanted a locale with a large Japanese community. That would be San Francisco, of course. And SF is, after all, a wonderful city with a huge weather advantage and a stadium built for pitchers. But, no, SF wasn't even in the running. Had Tanaka become a Giant, SF would have been a contender for years to come.
@RDyer @maxwell623@Daniel_Stern@Robert Haymond
Really, Richard, you (and I) were against the two-year extension of Timmy, certainly at the exhorbitant price he commanded, yet you advocate for the re-signing of Pablo Sandoval and his anemic batting average. Your rationalizations for this are all strong except...except...there are starting pitchers who are hitting better than he. Incidentlly, I was going to recommend you for the position of general manager, SF Giants, 2016, right when the slot becomes vacant but now, Richard, I'm afraid I'll have to pull it. Too bad...you had such an amazing future leading us desperate ones into the "promised land".
@Daniel_Stern @Robert Haymond You're convincing, Daniel. Let's see more by end of May.
@Daniel_Stern Hey Daniel, after last night's 6-4 loss to San Diego in which Pablo went 0-4 and is hitting .172 after the first month of the baseball season, maybe we should take Richard's advice, or at least take his suggestions seriously, and promote Chris Dominguez. Does he need to "crush it" in the minors in order to do at least as well as Pablo while developing himself into a competent maor leaguer? Fortunately, for us, the Giants were unable to sign Pablo to a longterm contract. Maybe now he could be traded to another team willing to take a chance on him and his conditioning in return for a bonafide young player who might help the outfit in the coming years. Of course, trading a fan favourite would not be abiding by the unwritten San Francisco management policy.
@maxwell623 @Robert Haymond AGREE!
@maxwell623 @Robert Haymond Let's see if you are right, "maxwell", after the season's over, of course.
If Pablo continues to have a bad, or mediocre, year, I still think the Giants will try to sign him and pay an outlandish sum because the San Francisco audience (fans) require it.
For the Giants, winning baseball is not so much a goal as keeping fans (party people) happy and the seats filled. Therefore, favourites like Pablo can do no wrong.
As Richard Dyer has repeated, the LA Dodgers also try to fill seats but their means of doing so is significantly different than the Giants. The Dodgers actually put out money to create winning teams and are unafraid of contracting excellent ballplayers as opposed to over-the-hill veterans and washed-up heroes of yesteryear.
@maxwell623 Pablo's batting average at the start of tonight's game against Cleveland: .165.
@maxwell623 Hi "maxwell". Right now, there is no real problem vis a vis Pablo. The way he is playing, the Giants shouldn't want to renew his contract. The problem is, Giants management seeks to renew contracts even when the players are no longer worthy (see Timmy and Vogelsong) so they'll probably renew Pablo, no matter how bad he is. As to your "gut" reaction regarding Sandoval's weight, I concur. This won't stop Giants management either. And people will keep on filling up AT+T Park no matter how poorly Pablo plays.
We could have gotten excellent free agents, "nilyd", and that's has been the point of Richard's frustrations with the Giants: 1) Rehiring fan favourites, i.e, Timmy; 2) Not digging deep enough to acquire excellent ballplayers, i.e., Santana, who would have been sure to help the team; 3) Continuing to maintain (broadcasters, manager, general manager, team spokesmen) that Giants management is doing all it can to insure that the team remains competitive; 4) But still maintaining that full, sell-out crowds for each and every ballgame just as it has the past three years (MLB record!) in order to increase owner profits while not so subtly deceiving the public.
But once San Francisco fans stop reporting to the ballpark for a night on the town, a "happening", and start to actually wish to view top-level baseball, things will (may) change.
This should take another decade, however. Oh for the days of Juan Marichal, Willie McCovey, Willie Mays, Jim Davenport, Tom Haller...
No, not a "debbie downer" but a "Ralph Realist"; havn'tcha hoird?
A well structured article on the Giants current situation...and, appreciated.
I think you've pretty well nailed it, Richard: Fan favourites as opposed to productve ballplayers; refusal to insure long-term contracts for (some of) its best while making ridiculous excuses which, however, are believed by gullible fans.What we have here, first of all, is an incredible money producing machine (the Giants); second, a huge entertainment phenomenon; third, a successful myth creating system from management to sports writers on down to the SF manager and coaches; and fourth, only fourth, interest in building a winning baseball club. The two recent World Series efforts were won by mediocre SF teams which will be remembered more for their luck than their playing skills.
12 months ago on Giant Fans Down to Two Choices: Swallow the Kool-Aid or Hit the Panic Button
According to ESPN, the Giants farm system rates #25 out of thirty in all of major league baseball. That's an improvement as last year it rated #26 and, in the three preceding years, #26, #23 and #20. So the farm system has been consistently poor. Unless the Giants make a miracle revival, there is little hope for the immediate future. Banking on "miracle revivals", however, is a poor bet.
1 year, 1 month ago on SF Giants Elect to Spend Good Will, Save Money
Giants made another "big move", the kind that really piques our interest: They signed David Huff from the Yankees.
1 year, 2 months ago on Two MLB Headlines, Two Teams Headed in Opposite Directions
I wanted to give the Giants the benefit of any remaining doubt regarding their (SF) intention to win, maybe in 2015 so I studied the recently published list of the best one-hundred major league prospects as viewed by MLB. There were two, only two, Kyle Crick in 32nd place and Edwin Escobar in 95th place. So it seems that the prospects for a winning team emerging from the Giants farm system and replacing the old fellows and has-beens now on the roster is comparatively poor. I'd say we need new management or else a dose of energetic non-support by veteran fans and new over the 2014 and 2015 seasons which would discourage management and frighten investors and, as a result, change the direction of how this team is handled. Bruce Bochy's constant glorifying the potential of the Giants also does not help the situation and his insincerity is transparent; I know, he wants to keep his job and remain on the right side of management. This team is a non-winner; it caters to ownership profits and fan-based "event ecstasy".
1 year, 2 months ago on SF Giants Elect to Spend Good Will, Save Money
It's really depressing, Richard, but accurate.
Yes, Richard, it seems that the Giants are self-congratulating while trying to fool their fans into thinking that they are serious contenders whereas, in fact, the plan is to draw fans, as usual, into the ballpark for a "trendy" happening rather than for competitive baseball. Your comparison to the Dodgers in the above article is both relevant and cogent. The best I can figure out is that the Giants are waiting on their up and coming rookies, particularly their pitching contingent now in the minor leagues, and hope to let this season just "pass" into oblivion. In 2015, they'll drop their older veterans and players who prove incapable, spend the needed money and become competitive once more. That's the best I feel I can hope for.
The "case" has been solved, Richard. Thank you very much. Matt Cain's superficially mediocre year had me worried, that is, until now. In actuality, Matt Cain appears to be perpetually unlucky, lack of run support, even less than what his colleagues on the Giants seem to receive. At some point, do you think you could investigate his whole career record. I wonder whether I'm right, I mean, about lack of run support and perhaps then fielding support (lack of double plays, errors).
1 year, 3 months ago on Case Solved: Why Matt Cain Went 8-10 in 2013
As long as watching the Giants play baseball in AT&T Park is a festive event in a city known for festive events, then the nature of the game played there, win or lose, is non-essential. The Giants management knows and capitalizes on this. When, and if, the crowd gets drowsy watching highly paid athletes performing poorly, however, then the fan base will erode and management will be forced to step in and actually create winning, or, at least, competitive, baseball. This turn of events is not likely to take place, if at all, for a few years yet. In the meantime, serious San Francisco baseball fans are troubled, their passion obstructed.
1 year, 3 months ago on Giants Make Wrong Statement With Vogelsong Signing
"Believe me, it's not that I'm smarter..." Wrong, Richard, you are smarter, significantly smarter. And thanks for the chuckle, paragraph two!
Now that Vogelsang has signed up for one year, the Giants no longer "need" starting pitching. That's it. Maybe a few more cracks at the relief corps but expect nothing more. It is in the Giants current financial interest to remain mediocre. And don't expect much from the farm system; their farm system is amongst the poorest. No, the Giants are very profitable and do not need winning nor exciting teams to draw crowds. That, I am afraid, is the way it is.
1 year, 3 months ago on The Giants' 2013 Hot Stove Can Still Sizzle
Richard: While your comments and responses have been, to this point, quite consistent, you are now failing due to a practically indescribable urge to want the Giants to do so well that your objectivity has simply plunged. It's forgivable, of course, but I'm here, as a Reader, to remind you: The Giants are cheapskates and are going nowhere in 2014 and perhaps beyond. Why, "beyond"? Poor farm system and refusal to make the commitments to spend money on quality. Proof? Tim Lincecum signing plays to the fan base, not to quality baseball.
1 year, 4 months ago on The Giants' 2013 Hot Stove Can Still Sizzle
Good "detective" work, Richard. You excel at that. And now the Giants are no longer fooling your readers.
1 year, 4 months ago on SF Giants On a Spending Spree? Not So Far
I think your questions and concerns have been answered, Richard: 1) Signing Tim Lincecum to a two-year contract; 2) Signing Tim Hudson to a two-year contract. Does it seem to you, Richard, that the Giants are in a "renew themselves" stage? Definitely not to me. Same old-same old.
1 year, 4 months ago on Giants Arrive at Tipping Point for 2014 and Beyond
Keep dreaming, Richard. The Giants are not, repeat, NOT, going to go out and bid on a top starter. As usual, they're going to try and "get by". In fact, that ought to be the Giants nickname: "Get-by Giants."
1 year, 4 months ago on Giants Sign Tim Hudson: The Price is Right, What About the Arm?
Deliberate and inciteful article, Richard, far better than the usual strudel. Thank you.
Bloomsbergs Billionaires: Giants ranked sixth in Major League Baseball at 1.2 billion.
1 year, 5 months ago on Giants Plan So Far: Bring Back the 2013 Losing Team
I, too, am disgusted with the Giants' lack of creative thinking and dealing, Richard. It is the same, tired old thing. But I always try to keep in mind that baseball is a business and, for the Giant ownership, a superb one. Tim was brought back because ownership believes that the fans want him and would not forgive management if he were let go even if he were the same mediocre pitcher elsewhere. The continued signing of other over-the-hill ballplayers or never-make-it athletes just means that the Giants are not required to be competitive to fill their seats. What that leaves is even greater profits for shareholders. It's sad to say but that's what it's all about.
Has any manager ever tried this interesting concept, Richard, or even a variant?
1 year, 5 months ago on Designing a Mathematically High-Tech Batting Order Part 2: The Mobius Strip Theory | April
I've also been saying that (about the miserly Giants), Richard, but without the research to back me up. And, in fact, thank you for the research! As to the Giants spending money to create a first-class team, I doubt if they will, doubt if they have to. Why? Because all those crazy San Francisco fans make stadium sellouts inevitable. No matter how mediocre, the team will make a lot of money, a great deal of money, so what's the compelling reason for management to shell out funds which they can keep as profit for themselves? Will a first-class LA team make any difference to them or to SF fans? I don't think so!
1 year, 5 months ago on Why Giants Fans Should Root for the Dodgers in the 2013 Postseason
More information on Devin Harris: He was profiled on the Giants official website because he had homered in six consecutive games while playing for San Jose, A+ (Advanced A Ball).
1 year, 11 months ago on Minor League Mailbag submissions
Well, Chris, no one that I have read has ever mentioned Devin Harris, a ballplayer 25 years of age, playing for the Giants in Advanced A Ball. The statistics this year on him are utterly fantastic (see new article on him in the Giants official website). So how ome this is the first we've heard of him? How good is he? And how is it that 25 year old is playing in a league usually reserved for youngsters? I would be very interested in your responses. And thank you, in advance.
Are there any minor league pitchers in the Giants farm system who are ready, or nearly ready, to becoming a Giants starting pitcher? Please comment. Why? Because I forsee that Tim Linceum is through as a reliable pitcher, at least as a starter, and both Zito and Vogelsong are of a questionable status due, if nothing else, to age. Are there any pitchers ready to step in this season. Thanks in advance, Chris.
1 year, 11 months ago on Post your questions for the Minor League Mailbag
Really appreciate your making the effort, Chris, to inform us re Giants' minor league baseball.
1 year, 11 months ago on Early season scouting report: San Jose Giants v. Visalia Rawhide, 4/11/2013
@TSF My mistake. I meant, according to McCovey Chronicles Giants' minor league affiliates expert.
1 year, 11 months ago on GIFs: Dioner Navarro’s bad day at work
@TSF @Robert Haymond Quite a sensible reply. I think you are right. I long for the days when we had the up and coming Zach Wheeler. A very shortsighted transaction on our part. I wish they had consulted me. I would have put an immediate stop to it and just considered 2011 a "lost" season. At any rate, waiting until the All-Star break for Tim to come around is too long. Amongst all the theories and discussions I've read about Tim, yours appears to be the most accurate. As to our farm system pitchers, by the All-Star break we'll know more and, I think, the short-term solution lies there, at least as described by Bay Street Ball's Giant's minor league affiliates expert.
Yes, the Giants won a dirty one but, in my estimation and more important is Tim Lincecum's continued performances or, shall I say, poor performances. I just don't think he has it anymore. Will he come out of it? Maybe. Barry Zito has found some (baseball) redemption. But, if he does, it may take several more years. In the meantime, at the end of the year, he will be a free agent, free to sign anywhere but...who will want him? Actually, the Giants need to replace him this year. Yesterday's ballgame is an illustration of a dirty game but one which Lincecum made possible due to his ongoing poor pitching. While he has been celebrated in San Francisco, the sheen is off his pitching arm to reveal...what...well I can't use the term "dirty" again. At any rate, let's get used to it, Tim Lincecum is no longer a bonus to the SF Giants and we need to see that he is replaced...this year, not next.