DominiqueSumner
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So I'm guessing they were from Mexico, Central, South America, or the Caribbean then?
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying push them through to get numbers up. If they're not cut out for the job, then send them on to another unit, where their local knowledge could be put to use, say CA, a PSYOP unit, MI, or use them as language/cultural instructors.
Jack, here's a question for you. What do you think of directly recruiting immigrants and the children of immigrants into SF? Especially immigrants from Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Central America, the Caribbean, and Sub-Saharan Africa, etc. (After they completed through background checks), as these guys would know the language and culture of the area they're from.
It all depends on which area of Ft. Belvoir they were on, and who was on post visiting at the time.
Namely because LEOs try to use the minimum amount of force necessary to effect an arrest. Somehow tossing in a frag grenade doesn't fit into that policy.
Are you kidding me? "the only thing he actually did with cops as witnesses is shoot at the cops and shoot a dog that attacked him." That has to be one of the most asinine statements I've heard in quite a while. The guy was an accused murder suspect, shooting at he police as they were trying to take him into custody. LEOs are legally allowed to use deadly force when confronted with deadly force.
@NMOne@DominiqueSumner@JackMurphyRGR
If you guys are interested, I've still got articles I wrote on DSS MSD, USBP BORTAC & REACT, FBI HRT, and USMS SOG. I can shoot them too you like, but they were all written over a decade ago, so the info will be out of date.
@JackMurphyRGR @DominiqueSumner
Will do, I'm tied up in training classes most of the week, but I can see about starting on something over the weekend.
@CaseyDoherty @HunterGuy @Virginstateofmind @grover93
The fact that they already deployed multiple flash bangs, as well as gas, was probably enough of a clue that they were about to assault the building. And as you've already pointed out, what alternatives could they have used? Physically clearing each and every room in the place?
@CaseyDoherty @Virginstateofmind @grover93
As opposed to what tactic, sending in one of the SWAT, SORT, or HRT guys? I'm not trying to be a dick, but lets be real, if the choice is send in a dog, or send in one of your guys, it's always going to be send in the dog.
@JackMurphyRGR @DominiqueSumner
I also got asked to remove passages on some of the places they conduct training, only to have former unit members publish the same info in books, or for the FBI to release the info. And they're not the only guys who've asked me not to publish stuff. I had a buddy on the Marshal Service SOG who hooked me up with all sorts of pics of them conducting training, and operations in Puerto Rico. I guess his supervisor got wind that I planned on using some of them in an article, and that idea got nixed, as I don't think people realized they'd been deployed.
I also get flat out plagiarized by several people including a guy who tried to sell an article I wrote on BORTAC to a website. I just happened to know the guy who ran the site, and he asked me to look it over, and I told him it was my article. The guy just slapped his name on it, and sent it in. Things didn't work out well for him.
While I'm thinking about it, are you guys planning on doing any articles on other fed tactical units say BORTAC, SOG, DEA FAST, DSS MSD, DOE SRT & SRF? Or say something on the old USCG DIAT unit? I've got contact info for one of DIAT's former officers. He's a CG Captain down in Florida now. I got a chance to have a pretty good conversation with him a last year.
@The Midnight Philosopher They've been parachute trained for a years. I wrote an article on them about a decade ago, and they asked that I remove the information I had on their parachute capability, that they'd parachuted into an airport after the OKC bombing, and information on several of their members attending the dive parts of BUD/S and Combat Diver school.
In addition to loosing a lot of their senior FR guys, did MARSOC's activation hit other communities hard, like Radio Recon, ANGLICO, and EOD?
The HRT has access to boats, and their own aviation unit, as well as armored vehicles for use.
Thanks, for the corrected info. As far as the info on the enhanced maritime teams goes, it's a direct quite from a OIG report in 2006.
"In September 2005, in an effort to enhance joint FBI/Coast Guard tactical efforts, the FBI created 14 enhanced maritime SWAT teams, nearly all of which are located in the FBI field office closest to one of the Coast Guard’s 13 Maritime Safety and Security Teams (MSST). The enhanced maritime SWAT teams are to receive additional maritime training and maritime equipment. The additional training will provide the 14 SWAT teams with a limited maritime capability for emergency purposes and allow those teams to work effectively with the MSSTs. The enhanced maritime training will focus primarily on water safety techniques and the unique aspects of tactical operations in the maritime arena."
http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/FBI/a0626/findings2.htm
Yes he was a member of that team, and I got the "19" number from the following 1995 quote by Janet Reno.
Attorney General Janet Reno's Opening Statement Before The Crime Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee and the National Security International Affairs and Criminal Justice Subcommittee of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee
August 1, 1995
"The FBI formed a critical incident response group to deal with crisis situations. This group has also been used successfully in the investigation of the Oklahoma City bombing. In addition, they have provided training to key officials in the Department of Justice and the FBI. The FBI special weapons and tactics or SWAT teams are not better able to assist the HRT in a crisis. The FBI has increased its SWAT team capabilities. There are now 19 enhanced SWAT teams strategically placed around the country; SWAT teams now cross-trained with the hostage rescue team, and the SWAT training unit is now under the direct supervision of the HRT commander."
So those numbers may have changed since then.
@HugeFan @ArcticWarrior @momengineer
DOE has their own training facility, as well as using contract personnel for their SRT, SRF, and CAT (think Red Cell/Red Team operations).
@StormR @JackMurphyRGR @ArcticWarrior @momengineer
In addition to the HRT, several of the enhanced FBI SWAT teams have deployed overseas to provide security details, that's in addition to units like BORTAC (the Border Patrol's full time national level tactical unit), the DEA FAST (and the guys they had supporting operation Snow Cap, back in the day), the USMS SOG, and other teams from the BP, ATF, CBP, etc. Plus the Coasties have been forward deploying small dets. from their MSRT on anti-piracy missions, and way back when they had their DIAT and IMLET unit running around Central & South American pulling anti-drug ops.
@JackMurphyRGR @ArcticWarrior @HugeFan @theAtrium @StormR
I wrote a pretty detailed article on the HRT, about 10 years ago, that detailed some of their operations and training up until then. The HRT asked me to remove some information on training locations, and capabilities, that have now been published by former unit members. There are are also several books you may want to look into reading.
No Heroes, Cold Zero, and Phase Line Green.