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@johnkawakami I'm not going to respond to your question because I've talked to Beth over the phone about this issue in depth and we've both decided that the mechanics of the Trayvon Martin death is irrelevant to this blog (the aspects of parents counseling ethnic children to get a bag and a receipt however is quite relevant in my opinion). In short we both agreed that blogs are more powerful when they stay on topic. If you want to have a private conversation about this case with me I'm all ears but lets do it off blog so our personal differences and opinions don't derail the wonderful job Beth has been doing on educating people about their personal usage of plastic.
2 years, 3 months ago on Get a Bag and a Receipt: When Social and Environmental Justice Collide
@BethTerry I am blessed to live in the Rocky Mountains. My backyard IS the mountain - like- I walk out the back yard into bear country. I hike everyday either in the foothills or up the canyon. I feel like a minority amongst many of my conservative friends because I really care about the environment and I get the sense that many of them don't. I'm saddened when I see waste and pollution. I've limited my plastic usage since Beth has brought it too my attention. I'm very proud of her for doing what she does. I know it's not been easy for her.
Many conservatives think that environmentalists are wack jobs largely due to certain talk show personalities. Many conservatives are ignorant of environmental problems because they run in circles where it's politically correct to live like there's no tomorrow.
Whether or not Zimmerman was overly zealous I guess is a matter of opinion and that is what my original problem was with this post. I'll give you a little perspective from a conservative.
You want to reach a broad audience right? You probably want to persuade conservatives to care more about the planet. You have to realize that in the end your message will be worthless without a majority of individuals anxiously engaged in conservation. You will be unsuccessful in the long run of getting the majority of people on board if you editorialize on things that are political hot spots - that don't pertain to your overall message - reducing plastic usage. Please don't confuse what I'm saying in that I think you started out with an amazing message about an ethnic issue of a bag and a receipt - something I would have never thought of growing up.
I realize now that I should have brought up this issue offline in the first place but what's done is done. Please know that I'm on Beth's side. I'm on the earth's side. I care. I just don't want to see Beth's message passed by because conservatives think they've stumbled on a liberal blog. I want my conservative friends to change!
Beth always has great posts - including this one - she's a big girl and a little criticism might help her get even better. Let me re-state: This is a great post! But, for me she clouded her message in a small way by labeling George Zimmerman's actions. This is a blog about the environment not about "overly zealous" gun wielding nut jobs.
@BethTerry Most people aren't loud mouths like me - I'm also probably in the minority here on your website - a conservative (shit really?) who actually cares about the environment. The bias in the media on this case was a disgrace - even got an NBC producer fired and other early reports got it wrong saying that George was a white guy. If it were properly reported from the beginning (hispanic guy shoots black guy) you probably wouldn't have ever heard of Trayvon and subsequently wouldn't have made this blog post.
@BethTerry We can absolutely take if off line - perhaps you shouldn't editorialize with your off -topic opinions if you don't want people to respond to them.
The dispatcher is not the law - so even is she had asked me to peal off I would have still followed the suspect just like George Zimmerman - because I care about my family and our community - sometimes you have to risk to protect that which you love - if this makes me "overly-zealous" I'll gladly wear this label.
@BethTerry Two years ago I was at my in-laws and witnessed a crime - I followed one of the suspects leaving the scene while on my cell phone with a 911 dispatcher. I was talking the police into the location where the injured man was walking. I stayed on the phone the entire time with the dispatcher describing the suspects clothing, skin color, behavior, and direction of travel. The dispatcher never asked me to discontinue my pursuit. Were my behaviors "overly- zealous"? I did the exact same thing that George Zimmerman did.
Love your blog and don't really want to get in the way of the overall message but one thing that bothered me was in the way you described George Zimmerman as: "an overly-zealous community watch coordinator." How do you know he was " overly-zealous" ? I don't know that he wasn't but I don't think it's fair to describe him this way when all the facts aren't out. We do know that he had injuries. We don't know if he felt that his life was in danger as he and Trayvon struggled on the ground (according to an eye witness). I just don't like to see the bias in the media reported over and over against George Zimmerman - who may turn out to be totally guilty. Lets let the courts decide this one.