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Absolutely correct my friend. Michael. You hit the nail on the head. No more waiting. I'm already hearing the conservative pundants talking about "refining their message for the mid-terms so they can get control of the Senate." Baloney! It's over. State sovereignty or this nation is done. Nullify Now!
2 years, 1 month ago on No More Waiting. Nullify Now!
People do not have to find joy in others unhappiness to purchase gold and/or silver. I claim it has been money throughout history, a point you many not agree with. However it has acted as a store of value when paper systems fail. Looking at our present situation and deciding to buy some "insurance" against the potential failure of the present system is prudent I believe. Proverbs 22:3 says "A prudent man foresees danger and takes refuge, while the simple pass on and are punished."
I do not, nor does SilverSaver, advocate putting all of your money into gold and silver. It used to be that these metals were 5 to 10% of nearly every portfolio - before the present greed and arrogance led those in charge to believe they could control themselves in a purely fiat system.
The reason I advocate sound money with such passion is that I believe the suffering you speak of can be mitigated if at least a foundation is in place should the worst happen. If the worst does not happen, then we have a choice in currency which will keep the Fed from getting to the brink of failure in the future, and allowing the US Treasury to use debt to regulate and legislate us into slavery.
I concede the point that gold and silver will be volatile as measured in dollars. I believe that is a sign of 1) a dying fiat currency, 2) people's fear/hope that the current system can be saved, and 3) their uncertainty of what to do about it.
I also believe that the best time anyone can spend is building relationships with those in their community. We don't have enough of that going on regardless of what happens economically, and if things do get challenging, those relationships will be more valuable than all the gold and silver in the world.
SilverSaver customers have the choice of taking delivery or leaving the metal stored in the depository. We believe in giving people a choice. There is no "one-size-fits-all" consensus of what the future holds. People can act based upon their convictions of what they see coming.
2 years, 7 months ago on Missouri House votes for Gold and Silver Tender
@EdwardNilges This will be my last post. You may say what you wish. Once again, you know nothing about me or what drives me to be involved in this issue. I've been writing on this issue for 10 years. I am passionate about it. I believe in it. I traveled the country speaking on it years before being blessed to be able to work with a group of people dedicated helping others protect themselves from what is coming financially.
History will prove one of us correct, and it won't be long. Best regards...
@EdwardNilges Well, I am more than happy to discuss this in a civil manner. However, when arguments do not stand scrutiny, those arguing their point resort to ad hominid attacks. This exposes that your political ideology is more important than facts, and thus is where I end the discussion. You know nothing about me sir, personally or professionally.
We'll let the marketplace of ideas sort this out. No system is and ever will be perfect. However it is my belief, and I will continue to advocate that our constitutional tender system is vastly superior to the system we have now. Best to you.
@EdwardNilges There are problems with ANY money system when corrupt people are in charge indeed. Yes the Roman Empire debased their silver specie. However it was done very slowly over several hundred years. It wasn't easy and that's the point. Meanwhile, today the Fed can press a dozen keys on a keyboard and create hundreds of billions of "dollars." Gold and silver have throughout history protected the people's purchasing power when paper money dies. That is a well established historical fact.
Gold is used to move wealth thru paper destruction. Silver is used as day to day money. Can something else be used? Sure. It's the historical success of gold and silver (in part) that make it attractive today.
Edward. All I can say is read the Constitution in its historical context. And be sure to read it with the phrase "made in Pursuance thereof" when examining any law passed by the Federal Government, which is beholden to make their laws "in Pursuance" of the Constitution. Anything not made thereof is invalid and void. This includes the government's coining of money and "setting the value thereof."
Just because one doesn't like Jackson and Paul does not make them wrong. Yes, government has its place in insuring money is consistent. But it also must have a consistent value, which the government has not done since at least 1913 when it (unconstitutionally) turned over its duty to coin and regulate money to a private bank known as the Federal Reserve. This lesson should help clarify things.
@darrelljr @JeremyG I don't like the provision regarding limitation of specie to U.S. minted coin either. However, that is what Utah started off with in HB317 and similar language needed to be there to get through the MO House.
Utah expanded their specie to most all state recognized bullion in HB157 this year. I expect MO to follow suit next year as well. It is a solid foot in the door so I disagree that it is a waste of time. We could, in an emergency session, pass a bill expanding available specie if necessary.
@JeremyG @DougTjaden @Namlliht
Only one. Utah Gold and Silver Depository out of Salt Lake City. The are working on one, but as far as I know, it isn't operational yet.
@Namlliht No. Separate, non-bank depositories will be set up to handle the storage of gold and silver. Payment may be made with specie (actual metal) or with a debit card that lets you spend your gold and silver using 21st century technology.