Sheizman
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All this nonsense and whining about the number of conference games the SEC plays and how the top teams are the only worthy ones can be accomplished with one simple fix. Have a conference challenge with any conference brave enough to try. As in basketball, seed the best teams against the best and the worst against the worst and see who comes out on top. If Mr. Bob Stoops wants to put his money where his mouth is, we could objectively determine which conference is the best. OU vs Bama, Texas vs LSU, WV vs Georgia, Baylor vs Florida, OK St vs USC, K-State vs A&M, TCU vs Ole Miss, Iowa State vs Miss State, Texas Tech vs Mizzou and KU vs UK. I doubt the Big 12 would win even one of those games. Do it with the Big 10, Pac 10, or the ACC as well. After some serious beat downs, this subject wouldn't need to be debated again.
The Bull transfer was expected but not Webster Chan. He has potential to be a good player but the game definitely seems too fast for him at this level. Either way, that frees up 2 scholarships for guys that wouldn't have helped next year.
Things have gone exactly Coach Franklin's way recently. But I am of the opinion that he is his own biggest fan. His own comments over the past couple years have shown this. He seems like a decent coach and pretty good recruiter. But his hubris will be his downfall. This is the year when he goes 5-7 and gets knocked back to reality.
And you are clearly an eloquent genius. Must be sad to be you. @BridgewaterCards
This was a joke of a case from the very beginning. Anytime your lead provider of "evidence" is a felon convicted of stealing $1 Billion dollars in a Ponzi scheme, you are already on thin ice Then the info provider says his goal is to take down the Miami program. Strike one. Then you hire a lead investigator from the schools biggest and most hated rival and expect her to behave in an ethical manner. Which, as it turns out, doesn't happen. Strike two. Then you hire Shapiro's lawyer to get access to other info you can't legally get. Strike three and you are out of here.
If anyone deserves a sanction for "failure to monitor" or "fostering an environment of unethical behavior", it is the Mark Emmert. if I were Haith, I would sue the NCAA for defamation of character. He would have a very strong case.
I have no dog in this fight but I watched it live and thought it was hilarious. The columnist who thought otherwise must be a big crybaby.
John @ Mr. SEC, Sure glad you called out SpencerMoore for being such a crazy conspiracy nut. There is NO WAY a fired, disgraced KU Law grad who worked for the KU athletic dept would EVER do anything to harm the University of Missouri. You called that one right on the money. It is painfully obvious that you aren't pleased with MU being in the SEC. But it looks like you are going to have to deal with having an AAU school with good TV markets, a top 25 basketball program, and a football program that struggled in 2012 but has proven its worth over the past 10 years with Pinkel. We are here to stay. Get used to it.
@badbadhoggie @SpencerMoore We'll see about the sanctions. Don't count your Tyson chickens. BTW, MU didn't make the choice to get rid of Anderson, he did that all by himself. But I am certainly glad we got Coach Haith. Looks like we are both pleased to be cross division rivals. It's a good situation for both teams. Evenly matched. Should be fun to go to Fayetteville and watch some games. I always liked that town. That was a cheap shot at Coach Pinkel. Lord knows one of your football coaches would NEVER break the rules or the law. For the record, Coach Pinkel blew a .08, which is the same as 3 drinks. Every person who drinks alcohol and drives a car has done the same, don't lie to yourself. He was unlucky enough to get caught. Still a better man than your lying, cheating Harley- riding former coach.
@badbadhoggie @SpencerMoore Hog--You sure can't tell that you aren't anti-Mizzou by your comments.
1) Maybe you haven't read other articles about the Haith/UM situation but maybe you should prior to writing that "Moo U had to know this was coming when they hire Haith". This situation is smellier than last weeks fish. There will be likely zero sanctions on Coach Haith or the MU program given the new info on the hatchet job by the NCAA.
2) I'll take Haith every day and twice on Sundays over your current basketball coach. During his time in Columbia, Coach Anderson put his feelers out every year and strong armed the administration into giving him multiple raises. Then, after the last big raise, Coach Anderson stated unequivocally that he just loved MU and would never leave. No sooner did he say that then he was in Fayetteville. Not the most trustworthy guy in the world. You can have him and his "40 minutes of missed assignments defense". MU then hires the self made Haith, who took 7 scholarship players and guided them to a 30-5 record. Just slightly better than Anderson's record at UA. Then CFH signs a top 20 class for 2013 and has a team ranked in the top 25 despite losing the NCAA 6th man of the year from last year and his leading scorer to an MCL injury. How is UA doing this year? At least this site thinks they won't make the Big Dance. Do you think maybe you guys overpaid for CMA? So to say Coach Haith is an average coach is laughable at best. Correct me if I am wrong but he did win some National Coach of the Year honors last year, did he not? Do they give those to average coaches?
3) I remember the last time MU played UA, there were posts all over prior to the game how Arkansas from the SEC was going to run all over MU with McFadden, Jones and Hillis. How a measly Big 12 school didn't even belong on the same field. Of course, that was BEFORE the game. After the game if was all excuses about how you didn't have your coach. Although I don't remember Pnkel suiting up and playing. Just because your team has been in the SEC for 20+ years to win anything doesn't mean it's going to take MU that long. I can't wait until UA becomes our permanent SEC West rival. It'll be a whole lot easier than playing A&M every year.
@John at MrSEC @SpencerMoore I consider myself a fair and balanced MU fan. I actually have a son that attends KU and have a daughter that is planning on doing so as well. But I agree with SpencerMoores post 100%. This case has been an absolute joke from the beginning. The NCAA is somehow taking the word of a convicted felon serving a 20 year sentence for a $1 billion Ponzi scheme and using it to try and take down Miami and Frank Haith. Nevin Shapiro, the lying weasel promised to "take down the program down in Chinatown" and is doing his damndest, with the help of the incompetents at the NCAA. As you reported just a couple hours ago, the NCAA clearly has some explaining to do about their investigation and the KU grad lead investigator. For some reason you discount the fact the a KU grad would do anything in their power to take down MU. Substitute Auburn and Alabama and ask yourself the same question. Do you think an Auburn or Alabama grad would distort the truth to take down their rival? Bet you dollars to doughnuts they would.
As far as the football learning curve issue, Spencer is also right on the money. 2012 was the perfect storm of injuries, tougher than expected opponents, and poor coaching that gave the Tigers their 5-7 record. I am a season ticket holder and watched each of their games multiple times. Now I am not going to sit here and claim MU is currently even close to the same level as Bama, LSU, USC or Georgia. But MU outplayed UF in the Swamp and lost because our injured QB threw 4 horrendous picks, 3 of which came in the red zone. MU also had 140 yards of total offense in the 1st half of the 1st quarter against Vandy prior to Franklin getting hurt. No way they lose that game if he played. MU did get outclassed and embarrassed by Bama, USC and A&M. No excuse for that. But MU will be back in 2013 and, barring the crazy amount of injuries of 2012, will be competitive in every game. 7-5 worst case, 9-3 best case scenario. Bank on it.
A few things:
I am a MU season ticket holder who was at the game. Other than that hit, Bama played hard and legal. The refs let their OL hold all day, but that is another matter. Not a foul if it isn't called. Wouldn't have made that much difference anyway if we can't score an offensive TD. Plus, if you read the link, Saban had the kid write a letter to Hansborough and the MU staff apologizing for the illegal hit.
I thought the Tigers O Line handled the situation perfectly. The LG and C pancaked him on the 1st play after and the RG pancaked him and got in a few business shots to remind him that it was a bad idea to do things like that. Point made.
Lastly, the Bama fans were very good guests and football knowledgeable. I sure hope the rest of SEC travels along those lines. Vandy didn't bring many fans and the UGA fans were a lot more confrontational and talkative. May have had something to do with it being a night game and people having the opportunity to imbibe all afternoon. But the Bama traveling party impressed me.
It was an ugly 2nd half of the 4th quarter. Game was up in the air (MU with the ball and down by 7) until the Jones pick returned to the 1 with 7 minutes left. Trying to block Jenkins and Jones with 2 freshman, a former walk on and both tackles playing out of position proved to be an impossible task. Good thing MU has 5 OL coming in the next year. They'll need them against the UGA, LSU and Bama..
It's only going to be worn for one game. If MU could've held on Saturday night, they could wear them for every game for all I care. The other new helmets are fairly benign anyway. Better than the old block M, in my opinion.
@Mike007 @KC Tiger It has been a long time since I have heard or seen jocularity used in a sentence. You almost used it correctly :)
So MU should have stayed in the failing Big 2 and Little 8 so you don't have to say "I told you so" and you can hang onto ancient history to claim your superiority? Are you a Chickenhawk in Tiger clothing? Nice logic.
MU is joining the current top conference in football and is doing everything they can to compete favorably. The uniforms are part of that. Why don't you give them a chance and see how things work out. If they fail, you can tell all of us positive fans "I told you so!" But, if that would make you happy, you aren't a real fan in the first place.
BryLaw--As a fellow old Big 8 guy, I would agree with most everything you said, but I would like to point out something about the change in uniforms. As of 2012, MU doesn't have the history of most of the SEC clubs and the process of rebranding the school is a step forward in the evolution of MU. I can't say that I love all the new looks, but they aren't as bad as some originally feared. I actually really like the yellow jerseys and I think the road look is cool, although I am not crazy about the grey on the shoulders. It'd be great if they replaced the big Tiger head helmet with the Pro Combat from 2009 (you can hardly see the block M--or maybe a darkened chrome Oregon look with the oval tiger. That would look sweet). If the recruits are happy with the uniforms and it helps them look closer at coming to Columbia, that is a good thing. Remember, it ain't all X's and O's--it's Billys and Joes. The previous uniforms were fine and all, but nothing to write home about. I certainly don't remember hearing one positive comment on the previous look, from fans, announcers, journalists--anyone. At least these unis have you, me and many others talking about MU. i think that is a good thing. Just my 2 cents. I'll now get off your lawn :)
Lighten up. Francis! I am a Mizzou fan and you need to know are coming off like a whiny KU Chickenhawk! Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they aren't a "smartass" or need to "get their panties out of a bunch". Are you a real MU fan or someone else trying to make us look bad?
No one said everyone needs to agree on whether the uniforms are cool or not. Really makes no difference. I like the new MU ones, I like a lot of Oregon's combos, I like Bama's, but hate PSU's. The best uniforms in all of football IMO are the baby blue S.D. Chargers throwback that they wear. And I hate SD being a KC Chiefs fan. it really doesn't matter. All that matters is MU comes into the SEC and proves to be a solid, productive member of the league and helps to contribute to future successes. I think we will.
The uniforms were unveiled today. Just like the title of the William Shakespeare comedy, this is much ado about nothing. The road uniforms look similar to the Pro Combat worn in 2009 at the Border War game. The home unis are fairly traditional, nothing crazy like Oregon's. A little fashion forward but still cool. I love the gold alternate jersey. Not crazy about the tiger on the helmet, but it's not too bad. Overall, this is a nice coordinated step forward into the SEC. New branding, facilities, top recruits, uniforms, conference. Nice work, Mizzou!
@Statesman They have 3 very good RB's but Crowell is the starter I think. If there are no setbacks, Franklin should be fine. Josey is another matter. Hopefully he can come back in 2013, as he is an impact player. Either Lawrence, Culver, Murphy, etc will have to step up and produce. Sure hope Culver turns out to be a player. Be nice to have a 240 lb guy hitting the holes and taking on LB's and DB's.
@Sheizman @Statesman Anytime MU can play a team without their top WR and 3 starting DB's, it certainly improves their chances. If Franklin's shoulder injury is 100%, MU should be able to move the ball down the field. Whether they can produce in the red zone and stop UGA is another matter. Glad Mitchell is on the D side of the ball for this game. Hopefully our CB's can limit the others to a manageable level.