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Well said, I think you pretty much summed it up.
Still, I have checked the Broncos schedule and will be watch all their games that don't interfere with the Colts. I think collectively we as Colts fans owe it to Manning to cheer for the Broncos as a 2nd team until he retires. I just want to see him get at least one more ring.
2 years, 5 months ago on He's Just Gone | June
@PeytonTheManning That's fair.
2 years, 7 months ago on Truth Telling and The Eternal Optimist | April
Good points, I agree that's worth a lot of consideration. That was the nice thing about the cover 2, we found effective starting LB's and DL in the middle rounds. 3-4 is in vogue and there will be enough teams eyeballing the according college personnel. The chart is comforting though, I actually believe we have enough guys on the roster right now who will be worth keeping... but of course, remains to be seen.
2 years, 7 months ago on Building the Monster: Defense 2012 | April
I still think big, fatty NT is necessary for base 3-4 looks esp on early downs but at the end of the day it is what it is, in today's NFL you need to cover and rush the passer. I might only be speaking for myself but I for one am drooling for some size on defense, if only to not see our defense get bullied around in the running game (cough, Arian Foster)
I think more importantly than a 6'2 340 pounder though is an elite safety, Ravens typically got by without great cb play but we need as close to Ed Reed as we can get asap
Very good article, I think I'm with the majority here with a collective "phew." This is a big relief, I felt 'okay' about a 3-4 transition with our holdover players but even then felt I was being pretty optimistic. Much more comfortable after reading this, especially about not reaching or overpaying for another NT.
I hate drafting corners high (they're all 5'11, 190 and run 4.4's, only true difference makers are worth high picks imo) but outside of Powers we dont have any players worthy of starting. I do feel pretty comfortable about our defensive linemen though, in particular its refreshing that we dont 'need' to take a 3-4 NT high and that it looks like Nevis will have a chance to be a contributor.
I think you said it in summation; the Colts just need talent on defense. I expect some size at LB in the later rounds and a corner fairly high, a NT in the middle rounds would be nice too. Still, as much help as the defense needs we cant completely throw Luck to the wolves and they cant ignore the offensive needs in the draft. Here's hoping we can trade down once or twice...
You know what... touche. I took your comment out of context, thought it was a potshot at myself and felt like I was in a corner waving a torch for a moment. Didn't know that was a jab at both of us and probably a well deserved one, you're right.
I'm actually thrilled that I found this forum, I live in Toronto and there's not a lot of Colts fans around. Look forward to many discussions with you, Nate and anyone else on this board.
For the record, I drink hard people love me at parties.
I understand that facts and stats are important but in my experience I find that many casual fans who lack an appreciation for the game amass and hide behind sheets of statistics. Maybe the never played football, maybe they like reading about it and playing madden more than watching the games. I'm not saying this is you, Nate or anyone else I've talked to on this forum. I pour through and memorize stats myself, it's part of the game. All I'm adamant about though is that football is decided on the field and you have to have an appreciation and respect for that and no invest solely in box scores.
Please though, I have limited patience for quick one liners and cheap, smug remarks. I love talking about all things football with anyone just try to be engaged and constructive.
Facts also allow people to present very skewed and doctored opinions. Sadly, not many people online know that.
Get off his.
Hey I'm on nights and it was 10 am when I read this after starting at midnight, sorry for flying off the handle. If you want to contritbute though, bring something to the table please.
Thanks for literally quoting and responding to half of a sentence, I think that's the first time I've ever seen that done.
That little symbol after the 's' is a comma. People use this when they have to finish our complete a thought. I did not say stats or facts are meaningless, I just meant that in this case it was unncessary to go digging through 2005 win total for the Jaguars. Thank you for your constructive and insightful response though.
@Nate Dunlevy Yeah, you and me both. I can barely watch Manning on NFL network wearing a Broncos hat, ugh.
Pagano didn't thrill me either but if anything I'm looking forward to some precedent being put into the defense. Let alone Arian Foster I can still see Curtis Martin running wild when i close my eyes sometimes.
I'm with you on the last 4 months being a knife in the heart though. Luck or not, I'll never really forgive them for Manning not retiring a Colt.
@Nate Dunlevy Apology accepted, I offer one to you as well. Even as recently as my last post a minute ago I was pretty heated.
I look forward to discussing Colts with you in the future though, regardless of being so adamant I do respect your opinion a great deal by now.
Also, realize that just because someone doesn't write for Bleacher Report they might still be a pretty big football fan. Even having that distinction means a lot less to me now than it did a few hours ago. You shouldn't talk down to people off the bat dude.
@Nate Dunlevy The only reason I made you "testy" was when you started chiding me with these brash and arrogant remarks. I offered you a lengthy and thoughtful opinion and all you offer back is criticism for an offhand remark about an AFC division that has gotten worse over the last few years and is arguably the worst in the NFL.
To say something like "come on man, you're making this too easy" only reassures yourself. Anyone reading this would isn't rolling their eyes with you.
I think we mean the same things in some ways. The AFC south was pretty good for the first half of the 2000's with the emergence of Peyton Manning and the Titans still being a pretty good team with Mcnair and their defense. The Jaguars have had a few good runs here and there (yes, I have heard of Mike Smith and good example) and this helped the AFC South be arguably the NFL's best as recently as 08 I think.
I don't need to support my opinions with stats or facts, maybe that's just the journalist in you but most football fans I know are just that, football fans. I can go round for round for season totals, rushing titles, etc but at the end of the day if you watch football you know what good football looks like.
You do make a good point in that AFC teams (minus the Colts) do make a living on running the ball, that's very true. I should have been more thoughtful on that during my first comment but my point remains; the AFC North is the posterboy division for phsyicality in the NFL. I'm not alone on this and you can't keep clinging to the AFC south also being tough or underrated.
My mistake, you honestly come across as a teenager though.
I think I could imagine how much football you watch though, I'm partial myself.
How many 8-8 Texans Seasons and empty playoff losses by the Titans should I be weighing right now? Jaguars send plenty of assistant coaches to head coaching interviews as well now?
Like I said, AFC South was an elite conference and arguably the best a few years back.
To suggest the AFC south today is anything but very bad says nothing of you except that you're a huge homer.
I'm starting to put it together though. My mistake to take you as anything more than a stat hoarding, bratty sports journalist. I actually watch football, I don't need your self indulgent articles kid.
lol how nice of you to back up a point you made with an article written... by yourself.
Your arrogance is undserved and also very much confusing.
Let me put it this way, before the 2011 would any team but the Colts finish higher than 3rd place in the AFC North in the last 5 years? 10 years? Titans maybe a couple times, Jags when they were a playoff team in 07?
MJD, Arian Foster and Chris Johnson may have rushing titles but you're kidding yourself if you're suggesting the AFC South is at all close to the AFC North in terms of physicality. Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Cincinnatti have been hard nosed teams going well back before 2009.
A few years back the AFC South was an elite conference but only enjoyed that for a couple seasons. Before that and since it is among the worst in the NFL with the Colts being the lone bright spot before last season. Try talking about the AFC South being good at something to an NFL fan that doesn't have a team in the division and they'll laugh at you.
I don't know that the Colts want to be like the Ravens as much as they' want to be like the AFC North. Accepting this notion, I think it's a great idea.
I've enjoyed the 2000's as a Colts fan as much as the next guy in a Manning jersey but at the same time I've always looked at that divison with a tinge of jealousy. AFC North is old fashioned, physical and fearless, grown man football. The iniital reaction to this is that there's no room for this style of football in the modern NFL and that you cant have real success anymore committing to running the ball and stopping the run. This is a fair assessment but I dont' think this is what the Colts are commiting to at all. Why not? Look no further than Andrew Luck.
You mentioned the Ravens inability to successfully develop a quarterback and this is true. However, the Steelers have done pretty will with Roethlisberger. It's worth mentioning at this point that our new co ordinator is Bruce Arians, formerly seen calling passes thrown all over the field to speedy, big play receivers for several years now. Don't give me that 'Steelers mentality' garbage, that doesn't exist anymore. I have to put up with announcers lauding the Steelers to supposedly using a tough, old school and power running approach to winning football games. Well, they don't. If they did they would draft offensive linemen higher than the 3rd round and not march out scrubs to lean against d linemen with the undrafted Willie Parker making them look good (I leave out Mendenhall because I think they got it right with him, the guy is a beast). The Colts understand that Luck is a rare prospect and Arians will be giddy to help direct 4,000 yard seasons for the next decade-something Irsay saw the value of with Manning and Moore.
Where Pagano and the Ravens tie in gets me excited is, obviously, the defense. With him and Manusky building the unit I'm excited about the eventual transition to a full time 3-4 defense. To be sure, this will take time. You don't find Shawne Merrimans, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis', Ed Reeds or Jamal Williams ()early 2000's) hanging on trees every offseason. In time though, I'm looking forward to the Colts fielding a complete and physical 3-4. Will it ever reach the lofty heights of the 2000's Baltimore Ravens? Given the aforementioned need to build an offense around Luck, probably not. Still, I think we can expect a mix of Baltimore and San Diego style defense when the finished product is assembled. Not too shabby.
Finally, how about the fact that the Colts play in the AFC South? Not exactly a physical, 'man's man' brand of NFL football. The Texans have a good team and should run the show for a few years. However, replicating a hard nosed AFC North styled team in this division should be an advantage in itself. If 'Building the Monster' goes as planned, waffling teams lacking a true (or at least physical)identity like the Titans and Jaguars would find themselves even more uncomfortable going toe to toe with the Colts in fist fights (see: Ravens vs Steelers, only one of those teams would be captained by Blaine Gabbert). Even the Texans have enough to prove. They beat a Bengals team that wouldn't have been in the playoffs in any other AFC year in recent memory and still have to show they can bang with the big boys year in and year out.
All in all, I'm excited about the new direction and take solace in that the Colts aren't trying to be the Ravens but rather are trying to be the AFC North. This is not to call you out or disagree with you entirely, you raised some interesting and legitimate concerns your dissection. However, I might suggest you take in some of the subtleties of the whole situation and enjoy a big scale, long term picture that I think shows great success for the Colts going forward in this regime.
I know man, all of this dead cap space sucks some extra flexibility could have gone a long way even for year 1. NT needs depth and we could use at least one more bonafide starter on the o line I think. Unfortuanately we'll have to turn to the draft for both needs. As early as next year though we should be able to spend a bit of money, although another year of high picks and development makes sense before Grigson does anything more than the subtle, solid signings he's been making.
Defensive front 7 needs work but in general I'm ready to be very patient with the defense. Finding true difference makers that made the Ravens so great will take time. I'm with you in that they should target specific areas to address some of these issues rather than spreading their efforts to thin and being 'ok' across the board.
2 years, 7 months ago on My Fearless Colt's Mock W/ Commentary. | Articles
Great job! Very pleased throughout as you touched on all of the Colts needs and got some good value on your picks as well. I'm secretyly hoping that Glenn is the pick in the 2nd and I'm really hoping he slides.
Chapman is another guy I want the Colts to keep an eye on, like that too. My only hope is that we go WR higher than the 5th. I understand this is a deep draft for WR but this needs attention as early as the 2nd in my opinion and I was glad to see you touched on that as well. I doubt it but how great would it be if Wright slipped to 34?
Koger and Washington in the 7th would be amazing. Washington could probably contribute at guard as a rookie. I'm really hoping Koger is a Colt. I'm a Wolverines fan and this guy has a lot of tools to be a very productive receiving tight end, he was very under utilized at Michigan. With Luck's penchant for targeting TE's this Koger could be a steal for us.
All in all very pleased with this draft. Only thing I'm hoping for is for a value WR to be there 2nd-4th round.
Luck shows why he was the best overall quarterback prospect since Elway and the offense is competetive throughout the season. The running game showed flashes last year and with a bigger o line and Luck behind center Carter and Brown find running room. Colts find a couple weapons for Luck in the draft and the passing game shows life, although I'm not holding out for a Cam Newton-4,000+ yard season. Could be but that's asking a lot with Wayne and Collie as our top 2 (currently).
Defense gets some sacks and sets the foundation for what Pagano and Manusky want to do. By this I mean we show some physicality and attitude and find out who's worth keeping around for the eventual transition to a full time 3-4. I'm less concerned with the defense this year because I think the finished product will not resemble what we see in the 2012 season and it will take time to find, develop and consolidate impact players on this side of the ball.
6-10 wouild be a good bounce back year and I think with some of the teams we play at home this is very attainable. 5-11 or 4-12 isn't out of the question if the offense can't gain traction and/or defense is further away than we think but I think 6 wins is a reasonalbe and attainable goal for 12'
2 years, 7 months ago on Don't Be Surprised Part III - Projecting the 2012 Indianapolis Colts | April
@rebuild2012 Good take, I think I agree with the majority of your analysis. I think I'm a little more optimistic on the RB's and a little more pessimistic on the receiving core.
Addai was overall an underrated player and the subtleties of his skillset will be missed no doubt. However, 500 yards rushing is not difficult to comeby and I think a healthy Donald Brown will have a solid season this year. Also, despite fumbles, I'm high on Delone Carter and looks like a legit power back who should have some production with the new approach on offense (bigger o line, FB)
I think I'll really only be comfortable with the receivers if we spend our 2nd on the bpa at WR or TE. Avery was a nice signing and Collie is worth keeping around but we can't fully expect those 2 and Reggie Wayne to play all 16 games together. I hope Reuben Randle or Alshon Jeffrey is the pick at 34.
Defense will require a lot of patience going forward but I'm very much pleased with the commitment and firm action taken to improve there, if only with the hiring of Pagano. I think some holdover players will have success this year but as it's been said by a few people on here we will need the Ed Reeds, Ngata's, Suggs and Lewis' and this will all take time. I think with the players we'll have on D we should be able to generate a respectable pass rush throughout the season, fingers crossed for the light to go on for Hughes in this defense.
I admire the effort but I would be very unhappy with this draft. There's no way Jayron Hosley will be our best option in the 2nd. We do need CB help desperately but this draft has enough options where we should be able to get a quality corner in the 3rd or 4th. Jenkins I dont hate but again, I'll be appalled if he's the first pick of the 3rd round.
All in all you have the Colts needs right and I think I'm with you in that I'm not particularly adamant about the order they address them but I think you're way off on your picks and their value.
2 years, 7 months ago on Andy's Colts Mock Draft 4.0 | Articles
I remain optimistic for a 'quick' rebuild but I have to be realistic about this, I think we all do. Granted this is the NFL and quick turnarounds are possible and even commonplace. However Colts fans cant simply cast their hopes and expectations into this notion, a look at the roster and the direction of the new coaching staff/Grigson reveals a inmistakable truth. This will take time. I see the Colts picking in the top 5 next year and potentially-hopefully not-in the top 10 the year after that. There are just too many holes and question marks.
I think the 2012 Colts can be competent on offense but this is based on a pending infusion of talent into the receiving core. Reggie Wayne should be a decent #1 for Luck if onlyl for another 2-3 years; quietly one of the best moves of any NFL team this offseason I think was bringing him back. Collie, Avery and Blair White? I'm not convinced. Collie as a #2 does not inspire confidence to say the least, I think he offers the most as a 3rd option. I actually really like the Avery signing but as everyone has already mentioned, hold your breath. If he can regain some of his rookie/soph form then its a cheap pick up for a guy who could provide a spark to our passing game. Starting TE looks like it will come from the draft... I pray. RB's wont be special but I like Delone Carter and I think Brown could surprise some people here. If he can stick around for 16 games he is definitely capable of breaking 1,000. Grigson so far has one me over if only for his attention to the o line, which was long overdue under the previous regime and Castonzo/Ijilana was too little too late. Sending players like Linkenbach (how is he in the NFL?) out to start was embarassing to watch.
All in all, I like the foundation for Luck and while we wont hang around in any shootouts the offense should be night and day better than the incompetent unit directed by the well oiled and fine tuned 3 and out machine that was Curtis Painter.
Defense? Enough of the holdover personnel has a chance for success in the 3-4 and hybrid looks Pagano and Manusky want to install but Peyton for President I think you nailed it. By the time our weakness are strengths our current strenghts will be weakness. The true defense that Pagano evnivisions will take years. However, I like Frathis as an OLB tandem and just because were switching to a 3-4 I doubt we see either drop into coverage much at all. Granted, that opens concerns in coverage but at this point it is what it is, the defensive transition was not going to be a quick fix. I see us generating some pash rush and curbing some of the less potent offenses and weaker opponents we face. Anything more than that, well...
I think Luck has a good but not historic rookie season, we find out who's worth keeping around at running back and receiver and the offensive line takes a step forward-although it would almost be difficult not to.
Defense registers some sacks and keeps us around against the menial opponents on our schedule but wont keep up with the legitimate offenses we face or when asked to be on the field all game.
I think 5-11 or 6-10 would be pretty good with a 4-12 floor only because we play in the AFC South.
2 years, 7 months ago on Don't Be Surprised Part I - What the 2012 Indianapolis Colts Lost | April