anafielle
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"Normally, I expect cutting edge guilds to rely on Loot Council or some other similar system to maximize the effectiveness of loot on their players and to make sure it goes to the right people."
I think this is off target. What you miss is that the "cutting edge" actually rely on loot the least, in some ways. The sooner you enter farm, the less relevant loot is. This is what Blizzard is missing too with their silly proposed 25m fixed -- raiders don't raid for loot. It is simply not a major motivator; honestly it is more of a pain in the ass than a reward.
We aren't world top 10, but we are US top 50 and we certainly don't use loot council. We use a custom built loot addon which is basically EPGP that awards loot based on attendance & prior loot earned. Gears everyone evenly. I do not think we are unique at all in that. The less trouble a loot system is the better.
Anyways, why raid with people who will be prioritized over - or under - other people? Everyone in my raid deserves loot evenly or as fast as me, otherwise why am I raiding with them.... that's how I see it.
The gating is a good thing, Matt. Otherwise we all would have been farming 5 reps at launch instead of 2-3. :)
Disagree completely. I don't actually do the recruiting, but I know how I found my guild. I heard about my guild through a maintankadin post, but I was also immediately linked their EJ recruiting post by two separate people. They also told me about the reputation of my guild, *on EJ*. The next thing I did was that I went to EJ and searched the post histories of the RL and several of the members. I'm just one person with one recruiting experience, but I'd guess that I'm not the only person who has gone and looked at our recruit post on EJ. The presence of not just a recruiting thread, but members of my guild, on EJ was something that meant rock-solid player to me. It had a huge impact in what I thought of the guild I had found. But that is the expectation that I have, that the people I play with have. Me, I've never posted on EJ, so I don't even have a post history there. But that presence on EJ meant a great deal to me.
So I guess the disconnect is that I don't really understand how this post is phrased. It doesn't make much sense. EJ is about a little bit more than money for a thread and then counting the responses that come in. If you are just looking at spending money on EJ as another recruitment site then it's probably not worth your money. If not, then I don't think I have to explain it to you-- your recruitment thread is probably there.
It is not just for hardcore guilds. There are less progressed and more progressed, casual and hardcore guilds, that all find it important to have a presence on EJ. It's not just for recruiting hardcore 25 man players just like EJ isn't just for hardcore players - it's a community tool for everyone that provides information for everyone. Simply because the most vocal players tend to be the more progressed ones does not mean that EJ isn't a useful tool for all.
How do you want to look to your applicants? Is it important to you? What about those applicants who are on EJ and who don't necessarily want a hardcore guild? Well, I think that presence is important, but that's just my opinion. I prefer the people I play with to share it.