niimits
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@Old Man Game yes after shooting 16% from the three this series, lets forget four terrible games because he is shooting well tonight! clearly the other four games were a fluke and this game justifies that he is a max player even he IS shooting 36% in the first four games. BRAVO
At least the silver lining is that Skip Bayless can SUCK IT now :/ (Sucks thats the only good thing to look forward to if we lose)
@yarkmu @niimits I don't get the link, but yeah. Basically my only gripe is that vince carter, t mac, heck allen iverson or even steve nash could have been the next kobe bryant had they played for the lakers with phil jackson. In fact, any of those other guys (except maybe iverson) wouldn't have forced shaq out and could have won 6 or 7 rings in the early 2000's. But he get overhyped by his fans for being in the right place at the right time.
@yarkmu @niimits accused but not convicted* As much as I hat the guy, if westbrook was in his place I would say that he was never convicted. but yeah I know what you mean! There is a level of arrogance with Kobe, that you just don't see with Russ. For instance Kobe ACTUALLY brought up magic without kareem in a interview a few years ago, as if he has the skills to be compared to magic. he plays hard no doubt, but the guy has no special skills to speak of.
And while I may not admit it, seems like its the same with westbrook, he has always overachieved and played with a chip on his shoulder and that just might be his best attribute.
@yarkmu @niimits yeah, I think it was darnell who said that westbrook is the most polarizing player since lebron. That basically sums it up. people hate to love what he does. Ironically enough I HATE Kobe for the same reasons I love westbrook, but that's how those guys play.
I can't imagine if the media would be so pro beverly had he done this to durant, lebron or kobe.
@OKC035 if its any consolation, I am a chargers fan and I follow the thunder because of westbrook. So basically I have nothing going for me as of right now :/
@senseandsenescence @niimits Alright then. That's something I could agree with. Thing is I am not asking for his head(or life in prison/death penalty in your analogy). I am simply stating that this bs about him being devoid of any fault is stupid. And as a thunder fan I could also claim that this could be similar to 'being related' to him. Thus going back to my original point: yeah he didnt "actively" try to injure westbrook, but he DID act in a reckless fashion given that his actions were not going to have ANY positive result for his team regardless of the outcome. I am not saying that the league should suspend him or that he should retroactively receive a flagrant, but for people here to pretend he shouldn't be held accountable at all is utterly ridiculous.
@Thunder, Love, & Basketball @niimits @BiffMoneyball No:
First: I was just using an example where intent isn't the be all end all argument.
Second: Let's (for arguments sake) agree that I did use murder as an analogy, the punishment that I am calling for is simple acknowledgement that PatBev was at fault.
So even if we assume I was comparing it to murder, the analogy still is:
Blaming patrick beverly for theis injury is similar to accusing a drunk driver for murder/manslaughter.
Lesser punishment for lesser crime, but in both cases intent was not the deciding factor in the outcome, the reckless actions was.
@OKC035 thank you I can't believe lack of "intent" is being regarded as the key point here. There are plenty of examples where recklessness is tantamount to intentional malice, when the perpetrator is fully aware of the potential ramifications of his action.
@Collison4MVP Yeah except the timeout was called after russ went for the steal there! Not to mention his attempt was clean, and he didn't run into jeremy lin. But let's ignore the facts that interfere with your narrative!
@BiffMoneyball @niimits I realize! I saw the second comment, but just wanted to make sure I made it clear. I don't want anyone thinking I would compare something so silly to murder.
@BiffMoneyball @niimits I made it clear that i am not comparing this to murder. The comment is about the argument against this whole "intent" issue. Recklessness in some cases is not that much different from "intent". And I simply want to point that out. Albeit my examples are a bit more extreme than this issue.
To everyone defending Beverly by saying that it wasn't a dirty play:
Let me ask: Do you people think a person who kills someone because they were driving drunk should be considered free of blame and not charged with manslaughter (and potentially murder) because it wasn't their intent to kill anyone?? Does the fact that they were being extremely reckless not warrant some blame and responsibility??
What about in the case of a 'depraved heart murder' where someone fires a bullet in an open crowd. Would you say that the defense is justified in claiming that the person did not "intend" to murder anyone? They were just recklessly firing a bullet in a crowd? Therefore since there was no malicious intent they should be acquitted?
I wanna make it clear that I AM NOT COMPLAINING THAT THIS PLAY WAS AS SEVERE AS THOSE CRIMES. It certainly does not come close to the severity of murder and even thinking that is disgusting, so I most certainly am not implying that.
BUT those example clearly show that this whole PC bs about "to be fair Beverly wasn't intentionally trying to hurt westbrook so its OK" needs to stop. BECAUSE he in full conscience and knowing the potential ramifications of his actions ran into (the knees) a player who was clearly calling a timeout, and for what? Lets say westbrook doesn't get injured there, what did the rockets gain? They weren't getting the ball there!
In a league where people have been bitching about how "hack a howard" takes away from the game, how is this ridiculous play being ignored to this extent?
@johnw1104 @niimits that was my point, this was an unnecessary play AFTER a time out and is being downplayed simply on discretion. If a coach doesn't have the right to play who he wants at his discretion, then players causing others to miss games on unnecessary plays should be fined as well no?? The league opened up this pandora's box themselves, so they should be held accountable.
If the NBA can fine the Spurs for sitting starters, should they now fine Pat Bev for us not being able to see Westbrook in the playoffs?
I was hoping for the lakers to miss the playoffs all season, but watching hardens antics now, i would love for us to sweep the rockets
its always a pass to lin with 4 to go HAHA
Harden would have passed that to lin. DAMN wish we had gotten parsons!