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4 months, 3 weeks ago on Grizzlies vs. Thunder: Pregame Primer
remember when we were told over and over how horribly injured and crippled mike miller was in the 2012 finals and how it was such a feelgood story he could even play much less torch us from 3? good to know that's still a bunch of bullshit
@Reggie4Life Darnell is kind of an idiot though.
5 months ago on Heat bloody the Thunder in Westbrook’s return, 103-81
@DanielLawler Truly the Kevin Martin of our time
5 months ago on Heat vs. Thunder: Pregame primer
@Air Bud uh
@Tvaddic They're not wrong
@Sustainable Parameters @Jooseppi Miami is the oldest team in the league. We can't out-athlete LeBron, but that's about it. We're more athletic at every single other position. It's just about execution
@Tvaddic That's dumb. It's not that hard to bloody somebody's nose, or even break it. I'm sure they're more likely thinking about how strong Lebron must be to dunk on Ibaka.
@OKC-Brazil Perk played the whole 2012 playoffs including those awful Finals with a groin injury. There will be no respite.
@duhsweetness Statistically it wasn't impressive, but given the rust I thought Westbrook played very well. He pretty much generated all that momentum going into halftime by himself.
@MJOKC @mikecal Not just that, we did start to come back. It wasn't in the same definitive way as last month, but we got it within 7 by halftime and had all the momentum after Perkins got pulled. Then Brooks started Perkins in the second half, Miami got their rhythm back, and the lead ballooned back up to like 18. Yeah Perk left with the injury, but that was pretty much the game.
There were a lot more problems than Perkins that game (turnovers, rusty Westbrook, KD really did play like shit, poor defense from basically everybody) but it's hard to ignore the general performance of the team with/without Perk.
@Bry Bry Sure, he does still have a particular skill, and we're still in a conference with Dwight Howard. Perk pretty much ONLY makes sense as a role-player
8 months, 2 weeks ago on Mavs vs. Thunder: Pregame Primer
@Thunderdaddy I think Royce's point was how many of their respective rebounds were contested. Given the amount of Serge's that have been uncontested, he's extrapolating that Serge is getting a lot of bounces/gimmes, while Adams has done a relatively good job winning battles given many of his have been contested. Not saying he's right, I think it's a reach especially given the small sample size, but I think that's what he was saying there
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Player Power Rankings: Zero Hero
this is the lineup
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Thunder vs. Wolves: Pregame Primer
@The Great Wall Of Adams @mandrel well, perkins probably shouldn't be on the floor in the first place, but he hasn't been for much of this game. to thabo, to adams, to serge, to anybody, even if they aren't in a position to score immediately. every pass doesn't need to be a setup for an assist. and if it is Perkins, then yeah, you pass the damn ball to Perkins instead of turning it over
@The Great Wall Of Adams I think we're struggling to understand why he's taking 10 dribbles too many after the double team arrives instead of swinging the ball
@SKELETORISBACK that's idiotic. this is a very good timberwolves team with a dominant frontcourt, PG, and a deep bench
@Es Wild anybody who could dribble the ball would be good
we're such a bad rebounding team it's unbelievable. it's not just a lack of size, it's bad hands, lack of effort, everything
GET A REBOUND
@Sustainable Parameters @ThunderWins apologist
@WestCrook something about getting the team going
@OLADADAMS he's looked pretty good tbh
oh man turiaf. hope that elbow is ok, that looked incredibly painful
pekovic is nasty, we need perk for this
this is going to be the rare good perk game
and here we go
@KellOne @mandrel say what?
@AIaska i don't want to watch a thunder game without brian davis
welp, how did i forget minnesota has martin?
@Legendary_Dork @mandrel hey man, i'm usually super optimistic. i just get bad juju
we're going to get worked, ugh. minnesota always seems to punish us even when we're at full strength, i'm worried about what they're going to do with no westbrook
@Bryson maybe. he's ridiculously athletic and skilled and he shows flashes of brilliance, but he looks raw a lot of the time. could be really good in time. could never improve
really wish we'd make a run at jimmer. i know KD likes him a lot, and we desperately need a spot up 3 pt shooter
everybody buckle up for a painful couple hours
@RWolverine @Lasch imagine being proud of having this little going on in your life
8 months, 3 weeks ago on Thunder vs. Jazz: Pregame Primer
@Turfright i don't think i've seen him miss a clutch FT
ibaka is just an advanced stats nerd, obviously. he's too next level for the posters here
tell em russell
@bmuelle22 or durant and adams? or reggie and adams? or adams?
@OohWeeItsVelvetHoop it is utah, so i wouldn't be surprised
oh my god the buzzer
@OBoy @Perky Jerky also me
@Kong Lambchop they're awful, i enjoy when they complain then see the replay and have to acknowledge it
@thelaughingwiseman more than likely
@The Great Wall Of Adams agreed, he's played better than his statline shows. just hasn't had the opportunities to put up numbers, but he's done good stuff
@reddirt717 no, the heat just lost to the sixers. this is the NBA, this kind of thing happens
really jazz commentators? cause i remember when jazz fans chanted "cancer" at derek fisher when his daughter got cancer
@CDSpark trade everybody
@ElMexiThunder agree on ignoring adams. i know he's a rookie and you can't just start running post-ups for him, but i see him flashing open all the time and nobody is even looking at him. if we're willing to give perk a post-up i don't see why adams can't get one
@duhsweetness agree, if that's what they're going to whistle as a carry i expect to see it whistled a lot. we're getting into olympic territory there
@thelaughingwiseman ibaka wasn't even close, and favors had his body on him, there's no way he could've
@RRRWHOAAAA ibaka did 9/11
jesus christ, some short memories in this chat
@Perky Jerky really?
@Turfright he's boxed out or generally not in a position to go for them without risking fouling?
@mattchant true, really hope he can help us this year
@duhsweetness real talk. it's the first of 82 against the jazz on the road, i'm thrilled to see weird lineups and young guys getting actually play. this is the kind of flexibility you need early on to figure things out, just hope brooks doesn't get squeamish
@Turfright he's not playing great, but he's not getting much help either
these jazz commentators are hilarious
@The Great Wall Of Adams @mandrel makes sense
KD doesn't have any rebounds?
I do feel like there might be a Perkins trade coming, packaged with assets for... someone. Probably not til closer to the trade deadline though
9 months ago on Grading the Thunder’s preseason
@[corporate shill] to be fair, the rest of his season is still worse than what we could likely get from Adams
@mattchant Damn, I wondered how I passed chemistry
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @Lasch @Thunder S Those rich dudes you hate losing a bunch of money damages your ability to enjoy a collection of historic basketball talent in your city in the long-term.
Aside from the fact that it's easy and juvenile to spend someone else's money, these rich dudes and the team are directly connected. It isn't really a reasonable position to cross your arms and go "SIGN ALL THE GOOD PLAYERS FOREVER." It's a sympathetic one, but it isn't reasonable.
9 months ago on Bill and Jalen’s Thunder preview
@Jax Raging Bile Duct @mandrel Simmons' job isn't to talk to Presti. Even if it were, the trade was a year ago. It's done, there's nothing to be done. Simmons job, aside from entertainment, is to be an analyst, and he willfully refuses to do it with OKC.
@ Luke @Jax Raging Bile Duct This is exactly it. Simmons is entitled to his opinion, even if he doesn't hold them for the right reasons. I think most of us are less annoyed by the fact that he hated the Harden trade (who didn't?) and more annoyed by that it's been over a year, the Thunder followed it up with their best season ever, and we're now entering Year 2 and he STILL refuses to talk about anything else. Even as the Thunder dominated last season, he kept beating the drum. Everyone else's season preview actually addresses the makeup of the team, ours is a nearly 20 minute rant about the Harden trade followed by 3 year-early KD free agent discussion. On Countdown it's the exact same thing. It's absurd, and starting to feel vindictive.
Since Simmons has harangued OKC for months about being too cheap to go over the cap, and just made a claim about how a team unwilling to go into the tax can't win a championship, I guess that's something he'll note again when he ranks the Pacers higher than us, as well as the Bulls #1. Cheapskate teams can't win championships, unless they're cheapskate teams we like more than the Thunder.
@mattchant It would not have saved us an appreciable amount of money on the tax under the new CBA. Look at the numbers again.
@Legendary_Dork you gotta know what you're getting into watching Simmons/Grantland talk about the Thunder. i like Simmons and Jalen a lot, but you're just not going to get anything resembling real analysis on this team from them, Simmons is too up his ass about the Harden trade and knows what a good narrative it is, and besides it there's just too many easy narratives to string together about this team this year. get used to it, we're going to be hearing a lot of the same
@FallenOSIRIS @Legendary_Dork Not unless Presti has got a signing in the works of somebody we don't know about. There are cuts coming but I don't see how Gomes could get cut over Garrett or McGruder
9 months ago on Thunder vs. Bulls: Three things to care about
@loplopol i feel like i've missed half of the thunder's baskets because of this
9 months ago on Thunder vs. Suns: Three things to care about
@yarkmu @Hoodzy this game doesn't deserve to be
@The Great Wall Of Adams foreshadowing
this delay of game rule is a joke. the NBA should be embarrassed
@Kong Lambchop @mandrel @The Great Wall Of Adams not the same way russell does, check out our bigs stats with russell on the floor and how many of their shots are set up by him. it was a big part of why perkins looked even more useless and ibaka looked gimped in the playoffs. aside from the fact that KD's least efficient role on the floor is possessions where he's the pick and roll ball handler
what was that foul?
@The Great Wall Of Adams nobody on the thunder knows how to set up bigs besides westbrook, adams is going to look even better when russ gets back
@International Man of Mystery really depends on his injury. the track record of guys returning from an achilles injury is pretty bad, kobe's only human
the only excuse for this is maybe scotty is going to give adams big minutes tomorrow against the bulls
but probably not
@International Man of Mystery word. at the very least fish could slow things down and get us to set something resembling an offense
@mattchant @DJ_Yardman he's clearly attempting to remedy that this pre-season, we've seem him take strides in that area. the only way he'll ever IMPROVE that aspect of his game is for the ball to move to him in situations like these
it seems kind of silly to say serge can't increase his usage when his usage has increased every season, and the only time it hasn't worked out was in the playoffs after westbrook's injury, when the entire offense was in chaos and everybody got dumped in the fire
@International Man of Mystery one regular season game
this delay of game rule is awful
we get it announcers, reggie doesn't pass
@OKC035 he popped him pretty hard
morris can't stop fouling serge
put in steven adams christ please i need something to be happy about
jesus christ what in the WORLD lamb
put adams back in or i will have your head on a spit, scotty
we are comically bad
scotty will literally start thabeet before he starts adams
nice defense thabeet
oh wow gerald green
@Grolgar @mandrel i mean, fingers crossed right?
yeah, it's not as though anyone here is under the delusion we've got shaq here, or that adams is even going to be as good in the regular season as he has been in preseason. it's just that he doesn't have to be, he can be half as good as he is now and still be better than perkins or thabeet, and he DOES show potential for improvement. it's exciting, and simultaneously frustrating because it's already clear that if he doesn't get time it's going to be completely unjust
i'm getting a little annoyed at nobody giving the ball to adams. he's got 8 and 6 despite nobody passing him the ball at all, and a number of times he's had his man on his back directly under the basket with his hand up and the paint cleared out, only for lamb or garrett to just jack up a jumper over two guys instead of even look at him. give him the damn ball
we are an hour away from a game in which one team's primary offensive weapon will be serge ibaka and the other team is the phoenix suns
this preseason is pretty interesting in the sense that a game without KD is intriguing. adams, ibaka, reggie, lamb, i'm kind of on the edge of my seat to see what they do night to night
don't care, still watching
@Russ' knee-pain fantastic
9 months, 1 week ago on Thunder vs. Pelicans: Three things to care about
@KD4theWin horrible play-calling, should've had ibaka step out for 3 on that last play instead of force it to lamb for a double-teamed turn-around. looked like ibaka was thinking the same thing but it never got to him
who in the hell is brian roberts
@OKC035 wait, for real? that can't be right. i feel like i can think of 2 offhand
IM SO HAPPY
come on guys, you can't let ryan anderson dunk on the entire team
KDDDD for THREEE
good news is thabeet is about to guarantee us some more adams time
@I So Believe In Lamb! I was skeptical not having see Adams play against NBA competition and given our spotty track record with bigs, but i've been a believer since summer league. he's much less raw than advertised and the guy is uber-athletic, and one thing I do have supreme confidence in is our coaching staff's ability to develop talent
@[corporate shill] he's still old as dirt but he'll probably benefit a little from a training camp for once
i'm seriously so hyped about adams. he just looks better and better every game
adams really does look great
9 months, 1 week ago on Thunder vs. Nuggets: Three things to care about
THERE we go
@Perk Is Still Perk @GREENE1148 he's pretty much going to have to be, it looks like he's going to be carrying a lot of weight with the second unit
@mattchant nah, lamb will look better when westbrook is back, he's just not great creating for himself. in the mean time, reggie is going to be our bench spark
a thabo/ibaka fast break ends exactly how you'd expect
lamb has looked fantastic in the d-league and summer league, and he's looked really solid defensively this preseason, but jesus, the guy's shots just don't go in. his stroke looks great, but they never go in during the regular season. he even bricks the open ones, i don't know if it's nerves or what, some guys just aren't as good in the real games as they are in the gym
feeling pretty good about ibaka this season, and KD looks as good as ever. hope adams gets minutes, aside from the occasional falling asleep on defense he looks way better than perkins or thabeet, and he already looks more reliable offensively. dude is strong as hell. starting to get worried about lamb though
welp, stream is dead
So there's literally no way to watch this game? Awesome. Cool. Great.
I always like the panic-mode "if only we could trade our 23 year old, top 5, secondary scoring option combo guard for *whatever other pass-first point guard*". You guys understand that just having somebody like Rondo or whoever running the offense doesn't necessarily mean KD and Harden get better looks and more points, right? Like, it's not as though if only Westbrook would pass to KD more, he could average 50. Durant is getting better across the board, but his freedom to improve his assist and rebounding numbers as much as he has, while also improving his scoring efficiency is just as much a function of Russ's talent as a dynamic and willing scoring threat. People are continually getting caught up on this "how can a PG average more TOs than ASTs? We need a real PG! Give KD the ball!" when it's a complete non-point. As Westbrook has improved as a scorer (his natural game), both in efficiency and in range, it's been as the entire team has (literally) improved their assist numbers. All the Thunder 5 can move the ball well, and continue to improve, our offense and the players we keep contracted to play within it is designed to operate without a "true" PG running the floor. It's not like Scotty is on the sidelines desperately pleading with Westbrook to be a point guard, while he stubbornly shakes his head and makes "pew pew" noises with his mouth. Westbrook isn't a pass-first point guard, he never has been, nobody in the organization has ever thought that was he was going to become one. He's an all-star scorer and offensive weapon who happens the be the guy in the 1 slot who brings the ball up the floor.
This isn't some unconventional wild new-age theory of team-building doomed to failure. There have been an awful lot of extremely successful teams (and I'm talking like, 5-6 championship dynasty teams. You've probably heard of some of them) who functioned offensively entirely without an effective point guard to "run the floor", depending instead on the ball-movement and individual offensive talents of wings and/or the front-court. There is no fundamental rule in NBA basketball that a team without an effective pass-first point guard is doomed to failure. The only fundamental rule is having good guys, who play well together. We've got that. We just need to apply it consistently, and that's not just on Westbrook, that's on everybody, from the players to the coaching staff. I think we'll get there soon, and I don't think it's going to require blowing up the team to do it.
2 years, 3 months ago on OKC plays a painful second half falling to the Clippers 92-77
Like Chuck says, LeBron needs to come home. Just shave your head dude, seriously. When you're wearing two headbands to cover your hairline it's time to throw in the towel.
2 years, 3 months ago on Udonis Haslem calls out Kendrick Perkins
@dream catcher It's kind of important to keep in mind that several of Durant's turnovers came from uncalled reach-ins, and Ibaka and Perkins blowing easy inlet passes. It's also important to note that a large part of Westbrook's misses at the rim came during that ridiculous 80s-NBA style run where the refs basically weren't calling anything, and he was getting hard contact on several lay-ups with no whistle. That numbers don't tell the whole story; the team as a whole made a bunch of silly errors, along with a lot of unforeseeable bad luck (ref calls, open shots not falling, guys fumbling passes). Blown offensive rotations resulted in KD not seeing the ball for multiple possessions at a time, and that leads to stagnant and out-of-sync offensive isolations.
The team as a whole didn't play well enough to win, but I think it's telling that despite the Heat coming on like a freight train in a way we haven't seen them play in months, maybe even since last season, and our generally sloppy play, we still had a chance to tie or win it in the final minutes. That's encouraging for any OKC fan who notes how evenly matched these two teams seem to be.
2 years, 3 months ago on Thunder come up short in the showdown with Miami 98-93