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another qb comment, video was available of the spring game qb's Glas. vs. Berk. , judging from that footage, Glas. may be only a nose behind Berk.. This assumes that Mauk (rated top 25 high school qbs this year) won't pass them both between now and August. Missouri's excellent qb recruiting just keeps getting better. No wonder they have three in a row in the NFL. Can anyone catch a healthy Franklin?, doubtful. But if he gets the flu or something can Missouri win anyway? probably can.
2 years, 7 months ago on QB Berkstresser Back With MU After Suspension
Some people in Columbia are saying this could have been handled better by the young men involved but that the bigger story is the over-reaction by media and are questioning some public officials handling of the situation. If you damage something, For heaven's sake, put your phone and address on the damaged property so you can't be accused of having no intention of making it right. If you are a coach or player you are going to be under a microscope. This is still being debated, Berkesstrer says he did not leave the scene and therefore even this misdemeanor may not stand up to scrutiny
@buddha22 and SEC fan, this is a good cross section of thoughts about rotating cross division opponents. Counting rotating cross division games is a needless way to irritate conference members. The idea that coaches players and fans won't get excited about cross division games if they don't determine the division title is just not valid. Actually toning down the do-or-die nature of some conference games could be better for the conference. Even television people are aware and talk about every team's series record with another team. Players and coaches are not going to be less aware or determined to win the next match up.
2 years, 7 months ago on Slive Speaks: Football Rivalries Saved, Basketball Rivalries Dumped
@MiloMoon In an unbalanced league 9 games is not that tough for the top 5 teams for example. . . HOWEVER In a balanced league and I would say the Big 10 and Big 12 are a little more balanced than the SEC at this point in football history, 9 conferences games is like having 9 rival games in a row. So what is right? I don't know. But it can't be right to pick a division champion based on a different schedule of opponents.
@Dynamite fan Forgot to say Hurrah for Mizzou and the SEC last night as Missouri beat Oklahoma in the Big 12 baseball championship
2 years, 8 months ago on Slive Speaks: Football Rivalries Saved, Basketball Rivalries Dumped
@Dynamite fan good call, go ahead and name the SEC champs in those years. Missouri helps the league significantly but the SEC has a right claim to be a decent basketball league now. Actually I think that's one of the big reasons the move for Missouri made sense. A team like Kentucky gives Missouri a guaranteed litmus test during year's when it's opponents don't do as well as they need to push their rankings up. It's a great fit for both. It's a great fit in football, and basketball. Tragic that Missouri's Big 12 champion wrestling program will not have an SEC venue.
Missouri and it's new association the SEC won the last shot of a very old baseball rivalry yesterday when Missouri defeated Oklahoma for the Big 12 championship. Missouri will now play Arizona in the NCAA play-offs. At the end of the game a hot headed Sooner had to be escorted to first base by the umpire and the Missouri catchers after a high inside pitch. It was all just too dang good.
My opinion is permanent opponents that count toward the conference championship totally invalidate the conference championship. Let these teams schedule a non conference weighted game with the rival. So in a year when the league doesn't schedule them, they schedule themselves in early season perhaps at the opposite venue. A rival can have a losing season going and jump up and beat an undefeated team and ruin there chances of playing in a top bowl game. The whole concept is ridiculous. OR just get the rival in the same division and let them play every year.
@JohnVol This is the time of year that they should start having bowl games in North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. We are obviously suffering from college football withdrawal and night time temps are down in the high 30s and 40s. I'm going to suggest the closest college campuses to the east shore Lake Michigan sand dunes. You won't be interested in California or Florida scenery after you check out some of sun worshipers there. My personal favorite probably Warren Dunes, not al that far from Notre Dame, just across the Lake from Northwestern. Nobody is trying to move any further south than that for sure.
2 years, 8 months ago on Can We Please Stop The “Big Ten Teams Have To Play In Hot Weather At Bowl Time” Nonsense?
Programs and conferences want every advantage they can get. Players learn to handle cold weather one game at a time and as the weather changes everyday at practice. Sudden changes in game climate have to be a disadvantage more for the passing game than the running game. Cold air helps teams that are less fit because it holds more oxy. moles per breath. It's widely known that altitude has the opposite effect. You can pick a case study and say the travelers won anyway but if you look at 100 games, the outcomes are going to be significantly affected. Coaches manipulate indoor and outdoor practices based on where the next game is going to be played. The center of the continent is more extreme than the coast. It's possible for SEC teams to play at Missouri in late November in snow and wind chills in the single digits. Jeff Foxworthy did a funny welcome routine for Missouri to the SEC where he jokes that halloween costumes are made to fit over snow suits there. Climate is not just a latitude thing. Proximity to lakes and oceans make a difference. There is no doubt that an early Sept game where North Dakota plays in South Florida is going to be a humidity (oxy.) and heat challenge. Personally I think the bowls, or playoffs and all inter-collegiate games should played on campus. It should be a flip of a coin not media opinion of who is the higher seed.
@MIZSEC if you are in Columbia and see any follow up to this in the Tribune, radio broadcasts, or just grapevine substantiated facts, I'd be interested to know If Berk. was the driver?, what the prosecutor decides based on the whole story?, If the responsible party pays for the damages? and of course what Coach Pinkel decides to do about this if Berk. was the driver. I'm sure the result in Columbia will be a fair one considering this past years events on being responsible with a vehicle AND I think anyone who is interested now has a better idea of what kind of mis-conduct is in question here, it's much harder to jump to unfair conclusions at this point, even if Berk. gets dismissed from the team or convicted of "Leaving the Scene".
2 years, 8 months ago on Mizzou QB Berkstresser Arrested
@JohnVol Read the article. I think you're off base on some of your frequent contributions. I don't write in and say you should keep your opinion to yourself. This is a story and comment format. Mostly it's pointless to go beyond one opinion against another. In this case, it was possible Johns article was unfairly brief. After reading it i'm moving a little toward John's idea, but I'm still of the opinion that it made the young man look a little worse than he deserved given what is known right now. This could still change either way. He could come out and say he was the driver and he never intended to make good on the damage, even though we know he went back to the scene to see what was done. It could also turn out that he wasn't even the driver, just someone who left the scene and didn't know he had an equal responsibility to report it with the driver immediately. It could be anything in between. I want to be fair and update my opinion as I learn more. If you or John get to Columbia MO to see a Missouri v Vol game I'll buy you a beer (then we'll drive fast this same narrow street as we head to the bar-b-que house).
@John at MrSEC Thanks, I looked at the link. It looks like the problem for Berk. is going to be somewhere in between the worst possible scenario and the least. The owner of the damaged car said that "He had no doubt that it was an accident" AND "neither of the two people in the car appeared in any way to be intoxicated". also "that they came back to the scene to see how much damage had been done though neither immediately admitted they were the driver of the vehicle that did the damage". Berk did tell police later that he was "involved" but did not say he was the driver of the car that did the damage. The article reads like it would at worst, a lowest class felony in Missouri for the driver of the car (which could or might not be Berk.) Who ever was the driver, needs appropriate judgement over the failure to immediately tell the owner who did it. It's going to come down to this being a pattern of bad behavior or one incident where somebody had to be fingered before he took responsibility for an accident. We still don't know why they hit the parked car? using a cell phone, dog or child running into the street?, horseplay while driving, neighbor backing out of a driveway, meeting another driver in a narrow passage? No drugs or alcohol were involved. Probably not speeding. Could be "carless and imprudent" . It looks like all the facts are going to come out and the damaged party is going to be paid. I guess only Pinkel is going to know whether this points to Berk. needing to go or grow his character. This is clearly not a smear story so that word was too strong, but it not the typical bad drunk or high driving incident college age drivers sometimes act out.. Forr me, by itself, I wouldn't have dismissed this player from any of my former college teams and I don't expect Pinkel to, unless more bad history comes out. Clearly the bigger story needs to be told to be fair to the player..... So I just told some of it.
@John at MrSEC one more thing, I understand your point better now that you explain that you view the conference change as related to net proceeds. I'm sure anyone would agree that the opposite would be less logical and it's a part of a the big equation that FSU is discussing just like Missouri did.
2 years, 8 months ago on Examining The SEC’s Budgets Over A Six-Year Span
@John at MrSEC I'm not a Missouri alum. I post a lot of comments. I'm not picking a fight and you know it. Just find out what really happened and quit trying to blame someone else for what could be a good story if you just follow up a little more
@MoKelly i think that the game plan will change. It will become more or a battle of the lines and the defenses but Missouri will be improved in both of those aspects. Needless to say we all want to see Franklin play and entire year.
@John at MrSEC It's not a smear story if he knowingly damaged something and didn't want to report it, and this could be the case. If it's just not knowing he did some damage or he was trying to find the owner without having the media jump all over him..... it's a smear story. You tip your attitude by not writing back that you will follow up this story by getting the facts and completing your first story. You write some good pieces, why would you not recognize the journalistic responsibility or challenge?
@big12source aaahhhh wait a minute, Missouri won the Big 12 north twice recently and defeated the two dominant teams in the conference Texas and Oklahoma recently. I would say that's "coming close"
2 years, 8 months ago on Internal FSU Battle Playing Out Externally; More Proof That The Tail's Been Wagging The Dog
ok, I'll bite, why did the Missouri spending push them toward the SEC. Because the official line from the President and board was that they would pay a huge fee to the big 12 and be committed to spending a lot more.
Leaving the scene of the accident could be not realizing you scraped someone's bumper in a parking lot. So far this is a non-story. If it comes out that he was doing something else (unlikely) then write a story, for heaven's sake, you can't write a smear story every time somebody belches and does say excuse me. Let's wait and see what the facts are here. Number two, Aston Glas. also looked good at qb in the spring practices. Number three, look at the film of Maty Mauk the incoming freshman, he has a lot of throwing skills that even Franklin doesn't have. 4, Pinkel is more likely to be forgiving and stated so after his own traffic cite last year. If you remember, the last time Pinkel dismissed a quarterback he said he held qbs to a higher standard, BUT the player had been involved in multiple drinking problems situations and after the player transferred he continued to have drinking incidents. Berk has been an Missouri for a while now and hasn't been a high profile problem in the media I've read. Considering how close Glas and Berk are in talent... would Berk be #2 if he was a problem history? Nah
@Gban @Tomn if you look at what the other conferences did acquiring Nebraska, Colorado, Boise State, TCU, West Virginia, and more. It should be plain as day that both Missouri and Texas A&M were both critically important to the SEC staying ahead in talent hunt, pro-placement, tv product, media interest, and much more. These two programs could finally tilt the #1 Power Rating from the Big 12 to the SEC. There is no doubt that both A&M and Missouri's relative scores will look better than TCU's and West Virginia's (for example) WVU lost to Syracuse last year. What do you think is going to happen when the Cuse goes to Missouri this year and faces a second year starter who was responsible for 2,900yds last year? or a defense that held the #1 rushing attack ACC to 35 yards at half-time? I don't expect TCU to finish the big 12 season next year on a 4 game winning streak either, or hold Texas to zero touchdowns. Didn't one of Texas's top receivers transfer to Missouri? Adding Missouri or TA&M by themselves would not have been enough to become or stay #1 in the long term AND it might take two divisions of 8 great teams to stay #1 in this brave new college football world.
2 years, 8 months ago on FSU’s Outgoing Top Trustee Makes FSU’s AD, The ACC, Media Everywhere, And Yours Truly Look Bad
@Tomn Tom, thanks for your ideas, but you are hanging on the coat-tails of rejected Kansas fans (and the like). The story about the Missouri official saying the SEC was a second choice never had a named source because it was sour grape fiction and statements like this were being made by jilted big12 fans every day in blogs where everybody knew the pen names to be Kansas fans. The media in Kansas City is full of people who make a living selling stories to Jawhawkers. All you have to do to discover the truth about this is go to a rally like the Tiger Train, or Tiger Club, read Rock M Nation, etc. etc. etc.. Missouri fans are pumped about the SEC, and nobody is going to dis (respect) the Big 10, or for that matter the Pac 12 for courting Colorado and other Big 12 schools, that's not realistic. Your own motivation in this comment is transparent or you wouldn't be calling a state with 7 million potential football fan (and zero other NCAA division one majors) a 500person potential pick up.
I think your ideas are historically valid. The NCAA could have said these ideas are long term values, but they didn't. Television markets are offering to pay for very expensive athletic programs and dish out a lot of discretionary cash to boot. I liked the old Big 8, and the old Pac, and the old SEC also BUT and this is a big but, the strategy of the new PAC 12 is clear, new Big 10(12) is clear(look at the travel distances from Washington to Arizona, the Big 8 has long been a bigger 12-then-10 for a while now (travel distances from south Texas to Iowa) , SEC went down the expansion pathway a long time ago (and it's still not geographically than some of these other strategies). The NCAA has shown no signs of trying to push conferences back into more local geographies. The financial incentive to stay local has been gone for a long time. Maybe someday the price of jet fuel or some other factor will turn back the clock? Today the handwriting is on the wall. Provide the best and biggest overall venue for your collected brands or become a 2nd choice for everyone from tv viewers to recruits to apparel buyers to sports writers to bloggers. We can make a case for the SEC making the smartest changes of all of the conferences. In the end it might be the fans who believe in the changes that win the conference realignment game and those that don't believe that make their new conferences fail (if any do fail, because i think everybody will come out of this looking like they qualified for the big dance). NOW SPEAKING TO YOUR IDEA ABOUT FSU, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT
@Statesman exactly right. In this brave new world of television college football, regions die and nations fly
@JohnVol thanks for bringing this up. there are a lot of ways to judge whether a school is serving it's students and society. it is important to think about however since college football would be a totally different product if it were pro-football for young men ages 18-23 .
@Gban @PearHorn This cracked me up, thanks
@Gban @SECede totally agree. this is not the work of a smart administrator or board. just the opposite. how could you screw up the #1power rated conference in the most popular and profitable sport? illustration: Colorado and Nebraska threaten to leave and the conference can't react. a year passes and the problems get worse. A&M threatens to leave and the conference does nothing. finally Missouri threatens to leave and the conference comes up with an insignificant token. it will go down in history as the dumbest conference administration era ever. college text books will feature it like they do the Kennedy run up to the Bay of Pigs.
@SECede Each program that left made the problem worse for the Big 12. Missouri twisted the knife the hardest. It's not ego, It's money and power if you can divide them. For me the attitude about the only Oklahoma and Nebraska mattering started when Kansas brought in that ringer for the Missouri game and the NCAA made them forfeit but Missouri was not re-instated as a National Champion (voted), in this situation the conference should have put three years no post season play on Kansas. Then giving Colorado 5 downs to beat Missouri as time ran out and retain their #1 national ranking. Then the vindictive taking away the BCS game from Missouri and giving it to Kansas even though Missouri was ranked higher. Finally the Texas-ESPN deal and thinking that the league would just swallow that even though Texas couldn't have the deal without the conference.
@KC Guy i'd be interested in seeing how the votes usually lined up politically. Also in knowing how much of Texas's opinion was really ESPN.
because together they make the SEC have more AAU schools than the Big 12
The part you have right is that adding 4 new teams to the SEC would make two divisions that don't have to solve the inter-division status of games question because an eight game division race is more than enough. (typo below second line, (who has BEEN studying)
This is not even an interesting idea in the new television marketing world. Universities want cash, fame, power, public relations, television is dishing that out. Who has be studying tv and football marketing the longest?, the NFL. The NFL has two super-conferences with teams in all parts of the country. So far in college football, big bowl games between different regions are often the best tv ratings nationwide. Smart conferences are going after geography and household tv sets, and football fans everywhere. This is about becoming one of the super-conferences or dropping to a lower revenue tv product. Florida State is a good program but not more valuable than Texas or Missouri.. You're writing something that sounds good to some extreme southeast region folks who might not know that Missouri was on the cover of Sports Illustrated more recently than FSU and ASU, Has more NFL player promotion success (including their last three quarterbacks), and is by far the best revenue producer in a state with 7 million new potential viewers. Then for the folks who like to talk about STUDENT-athletes, both recent SEC additions are better academically than FSU. No disrespect to FSU, they just bring a whole lot more to the ACC, or even the Big 12, than they would to the SEC.
@10Vol85 So what do you expect the Vols to do in the division this year and who will be the new key players on offense and defense there? Who are the teams the Vols will be favored by the talking heads to defeat? Is there a division team that seems to beat the Vols in spite of having a questionable match up? Is there a golden child in the east the media seems to promote more than anyone else? When you compare officiating in the SEC east to the bowl games, does anything seem different?
2 years, 8 months ago on Miles Backs Spurrier: Only Division Games Should Count
to 10vol85, your point is that the historical match-ups would have changed. 1. in those contests there were less games within the division. 2. Is the conference trying to find the best team in the division (only by division play)? or the best two teams in the conference (everyone plays everyone)? , or the best two teams in the conference (impossible because non SEC opponents will always be significantly different. Respectfully submitted there is nothing legit half way between these accepted conference ideas and nobody else in the country is going to respect anything half way as legit. The SEC is not the only conference to face this scrutiny and no matter who does it the outcome is viewed as questionable. Deciding a division by games within the division cannot be questioned, it is clear and logical.
@Andy Martin right on target. A&M has been making good numbers for a long time. people are way too hard on them for losing a few close games last year. They have a great football tradition and it's only going to get better. Missouri took a while to get back to their ie. Divine" football ways, grin, but they are back and pretty stable for many years now. Factor in that the people who rate recruits can't help but be influenced by the Universities that are interested in those recruits and you can see why Missouri has sometimes beaten higher ranked programs with recruits that were 2 stars lower rated. Great conferences should have lots of teams that can rise up and lead in different years. The Big 12 was becoming like that till Texas tried to fix the media part of the equation. The SEC claims to be like that so we will just have to see if all the best coached/recruited teams in the SEC really can win crowns. With 14 teams fans are going to have to adjust their ideas about what success really is. Winning a 7 team division in a great conference is a nationally recognized prize. Last year the Big 12 went back to a 9 game donnybrook. Many fans had concept problems understanding how good their team really was finishing from the middle on up, and a couple of these teams were only an extra point, safety, or field goal from having a record that looked totally different.
2 years, 8 months ago on SEC Commitment Comparator - 5/10/12
@MoKelly keep in mind that Missouri recruiting has been in a steady upswing for a long long time. Before realignment a recruit at Missouri this year could easily believe they would be contenders for the big 12 title for the next 4 years. The Big 12 is still the top power rated conference. Having said that;... recruits that are serious about playing pro ball have to be watching the pro draft, Missouri's quarterback success NFL, and other players that are doing well there. The top SEC schools are getting bigger draft totals even if the rest of the league is more like other conferences
Some vocal members of the KC media went into permanent rant about the realignment. They thought they were justified because KC would be at risk of losing ie. some basketball games to help pay for it's big downtown remodeling job. Small minds think small. There are lots of ways for a city to benefit from popular college athletic programs. Kansas City has done a lot for MU, KSU, and KU, but sports media people often think they are the show instead of reporting it. Sometimes they think their media or area listeners own the University. Kansas City is now one of those rare cities with a lot of history in the Big 8, Big 12, and an old friend new to the SEC. I advise everyone to take the names of the silent and negative sports media and shoot them a note to let them know you have their number. @buddha22
@tryptic67 exactly right. look at my comment at the top of the page. the idea that these games would be different than division deciding games is ok, but the idea that they wouldn't have enough interest to be more important than any other regular season game except maybe a top 4 national ranking challenge with someone outside the conference is totally without merit.
check my comment above. but I forgot to say that the Big 12 needs to prove that it is a league again and not a dog and pony show for Texas and Oklahoma. THERE IS A REASON 4 OF THE FOUNDING BIG 8 MEMBERS LEFT IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS after being stable or growing for so long.
2 years, 8 months ago on Big 12 Extends Media Rights Deal; Begins To Fix Itself
Sounds like the facilities are brand new and could be even better. How many Big 12 teams do the media talking heads say Cinn. was ranked higher than in 2011.2010, 2009? From a fan to a fan, good luck. I had a good salad/ sandwich in the east subs of Cinn. last week (Blue M.). A close friend of mine is a professor there. I attended a coaching convention there a long time ago, still have some fun stories from that trip, enjoyed the city a lot.
As for the Miles comment. If anyone should be able to tell someone else that they are intend to make them 'strap it up', it should be an opposing coach. But wait a minute Miles knows he is not an opposing coach to Missouri. So I guess he only provided Texas A&M players with the best kind of game week reading material. If Missouri would win the East however and if Miles would survive calling A&M out, then i guess Miles might have made game week for his team before the biggest conference game of the year also just a little bit tougher. Anyone who doesn't strap up to play D-I football is not going to make it past their first few plays. As for the enjoying it part, some players like it hot and don't play well or have as much fun in something less than a tough conference game. Missouri played a lot of ranked teams last year and it sure looked like they were having fun to me. Texas A&M lost a lot of close games last year just like Missouri and it sure looked like they were having fun. A Missouri defensive player called out Texas last year, it made the papers in every Texas market, He and his team-mates made it stick allowing zero touchdowns. Personally I would never presume to talk for the team I support, I sure wouldn't presume to talk for the conference that team plays in. Missouri and Texas A&M fans, coaches, and certainly the players are being appropriately optimistic and gentlemen about the upcoming season. College football is the greatest sport of all time, may the best team win.
Every game a football team plays counts to the players personal season record, to the coaches season and institution and conference and lifetime record, it counts to the all time record of the university, it counts to the series record with the opponent, it counts toward national ranking, it counts toward fans having a great time attending the game, it counts toward those who watch on tv, it counts on campus and in the media and anywhere anybody talks about the game, it counts toward media wanting to broadcast future games, it counts toward seniors getting pro offers, it counts toward the players keeping their starting positions.
NOW TELL ME AGAIN WHY CROSS DIVISIONAL CONTESTS COULD SOMEHOW BE MEANINGLESS IF THEY WERE NOT COUNTED TOWARD WINNING A DIVISION? On the other hand how can you decide a division championship based on games against teams that don't even play in that division?? If you look in the dictionary for the hypen-ated word "no-brainer" the example given will be changing this brainless system.
East Carolina has been putting some good teams on the field. What are their facilities like? As for Louisville and Team X to the Big 12 ??? They have to be able to draw and host Big 12 type crowds and Television appropriate big time facilities. I have to see it to before i will believe, Show Me stater here. I thought TCU got a little bit of a pass because they were a Texas School but maybe they are bigger time physical plant than I know. West Virginia had the physical facilities already didn't they? Don't expect the Big 12 to take just anybody in their next expansion move. I think they will get a big program but it won't be soon. Two much of a black eye over losing 40% of the original Big Eight core.
The article like all previous references to the deal leaves an important fact out. What did these Big 12 schools get in return. Did Texas give up it's right to own the Longhorn Network with partner ESPN? Because if Texas did not land it's outer space ego back on the planet Big 12 the rest of this is just Mid-western barn lot manure. What a joke. We are the Big 12 and you will agree to stay here for the sake of league stability, in the mean time Texas and Oklahoma will cash your paychecks as if you are the automatic non-crowd draw no matter how good your program becomes.
@buddha22 @OldArmy @jwolfe Exactly right from you both. In the NCAA conferences are the closest thing to leverage over television money and public relations tools. I liked what the Big 12 did last year with the commercial "This is how we play". There may be any number of new media tools used to make cash flow through any given conference. I believe the SEC has a philosophy about competitive member programs. I believe they know that a few bad violation apples can hurt everyone. Missouri and TA&M fit the their 'new world order' for a lot of reasons more reason than this. No conference realigned better geographically for as long as I can remember. Maybe the Big 10 move was equal. Fans of other programs are looking at this and saying how is this going to help my university football program win the SEC, make a big bowl game, or otherwise be nationally recognized? Missouri had years when they were nationally recognized before the Big 8 became the Big 12 and after. So it is hard for the average long time fan to appreciate what the conference did to help them reach a national number one ranking again recently. No sane fan can complain about winning a division title unless the conference only has ie eight members. What fans don't see is the change in national trends and why conferences must change or die. The Big 12 stubbornly held on to a plan that benefitted Texas and to a lesser degree Oklahoma more than anyone else. In a 12 team league this is harder to accept than in an 8 team league and in a modern era where television means so much it not sufficient to tell your conference members, "Here is our 700 million dollar tv deal, now you go do your own, cause everybody going to do it someday". I tell this story because the SEC has it's own history of a something less that parody. In the future fair competition will be one of the important concepts in keeping a super-conference super. AND all the fans in the SEC who are resistant to having two more competitors in the mix will only be satisfied by seeing the whole conference grow in bowl bids, rankings, draft picks, NFL player success, and recruiting power. It is for sure that 14 teams are not going to tie for the conference championship, nor seven for the division title every year. On this subject the SEC is going to have to make division titles decided by division play to keep everybody in a fair title hunt every year.
2 years, 8 months ago on Stanford AD To Take Over As Big 12 Commish; What's He Gonna Do?
@OldArmy Thanks, I didn't read it as preachy. Maybe good football follows some politics and maybe some politics follows good football at different points in time. A smart coach or a great recruiter or both can hold a program near the political top for a long time. I wonder how long a troop of talking heads can keep a football program in the top 20?
My impression of other Missouri football fans is that they feel under-served by their college administrators going all the way back to the Dan Divine days in the 1960s. They have a lot of class and patience however, allowing mediocre coaches to have long tenures (7 years) to get their systems established. I really don't know the A&M fans or administrators that well yet. It's not right that a good coach got fired there last year. I really liked that team he put together. I think they were playing a bit ahead of themselves when they were fresh and trying to put teams away. I don't think they were playing at a game pace then collapsing late. I think this was a misperception by the media and some fans and there were zero signs of weariness. The coaching staff made sound late game plans.
I knew something smelled bad when both Colorado and Nebraska left same time, but where was the media on this? Losing Colorado was awful, except getting 5 downs where they cheated at Missouri to save a National Championship bid, (with a lot of help from the refs) I always liked Colorado. Nebraska fans and lately the coaches took a bad turn toward bad sportsmanship. Su's injurious tackle on Blaine Gabbert cost Missouri a top 5 finishing place that year. Su is now the bad sportsmanship polster boy in the NFL.
Everyone is nostalgic about the old Big 8 but it was never as good as it could have been with OK and NE trading championships in that league at everyone else's expense. When another program is challenging and the league let's a ref's bad call maintain the status quo or sends a program to a lesser bowl than they deserve or let's a program bring in an illegal ringer without long term penalties, it's a quasi-fixed league. Fair competition and the perception of fair competition mean a lot to a league.
You are being a gentleman to put it that way, so I will say it for you. T A&M will challenge for a SEC division title soon. No need to apologize for this, as i said "The reason Presidents and AD's picked TA&M was to make the league stronger" and get a strong recruiting and tv market. Fans in the SEC who feel it's their turn to win will be helped to the top by the new alignment by de-centralization, not piled deeper in the pecking order.
@OldArmy I should have identified myself as a Missouri Tiger watcher. The move of TA&M and Missouri at the same time should be good timing for everybody. I HOPE that old SEC fans see the potential for the realignment as clearly as the presidents and ADs. The Missouri Texas A&M series might come to be seen as one of the big saves in this change. Right now the only thing I am sure of is that the SEC talks balance and equality and the Big 12 doesn't aspire to such in any way. So who are the "end justifies the means" people in this money machine and who are the least jaded?
You have to quit looking at this through political glasses. The SEC could use this realignment to become the top power rated conference, that's even better than having just the top team in the nation. The Big 12 and the Big 10 and the Pac 12 are within reach of claiming not just the top Power rating (Big 12 now) but could put teams in the National Championship game 2013 or 2014. So far the SEC is on track here but getting on top and staying there are things you have to do, not just say. The SEC should be able to recruit and coach as good as anybody in the new football world. One thing is for sure, just having Ala. or LSU in your conference is not going to keep the news media on your side. Everybody in the conference has to improve and challenge for the title, otherwise the other conferences will seem more exciting and then when the top SEC team has a bad day outside conference play the media will have no ammunition. One huge false idea the SEC has is that the nation will vote for defense over offense when the comparisons start looking close.
Bobby Knight was the most knowledgeable and insightful basketball man tv had this year. Thanks Coach Knight. Having said that I'm not going to debate your idea that he had a problem being fair to Kentucky, sorry if this happened and maybe the championship will soften anybody who migh have a Kentucky or Calipari issue a little. The officiating crew assigned to the Missouri Norfolk game sure had a problem being fair to Missouri and lots of teams are going to shoot well when the defense get whistled for standing between them and the basket. Kentucky at least got the last word. Missouri, who also beat Kansas, Baylor three times, Iowa State twice, got treated unfairly and had maybe their best team in two decades, title chances stolen by that crew.
2 years, 9 months ago on ESPN's Knight Gigs UK Fans
Here are three bad ideas for deciding a conference or division champion. 1. Making games outside the division count or even be tie breakers. 2. Playing one team every year unless you play everybody in the conference every year. 3. rotating opponents in a cross division schedule.
If a program/university feels they can have a lot of fun or make a lot of money playing the same team every year outside of a conference round robin fine let them play, but don't try to tell another university they are rivals with someone when they are not. This is a sure way to break up a conference, because about the second time this rivalry thing causes a team to loss out on a division championship, or a BCS bowl, or any bowl in the national spotlight, the league that dictated this is going to start looking like the thing that killed the program not helped the program.
There is only one way to decide a conference championship. That is a complete round robin. Nine round robin games is one too many. The next best thing is a seven game division round robin to decide a conference title. If the NCAA allows championship between two conference division champs they should allow two conferences to challenge each other for a regional title in-between conference season and bowl games picks. If not the next season could begin with such a challenge game.
Just play 7-8 intense conference rival games and name a winner. Let the program/university schedule their own opponents outside of that schedule. One program might want to schedule every top 10 program who will play them. Another program/university might want their players to maximize study time, or play a wide sample of their roster in the less intense games to give every player the best chance to show who is best for the conference season. Another program might want to schedule more games in a region that they have to play in to keep their recruiting traditions alive in. The Big 12's 9 team round robin is great but it is one game too long. The SEC's two division idea is good but it goes too far when it starts counting those luck of the rotation and permanent rivalry bologna as something that decides titles and playoff opportunities. Want a great conference?, make it as equal as possible for everybody every year.
2 years, 9 months ago on SEC Inches Closer To 8-Game Schedule With Permanent Cross-Division Foes