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Drew Miller has looked impressive plenty of times, especially last season when he was putting up goals and being a beast on the penalty kill. It's been more or less the same this season, except not as much of the goal scoring.
2 years ago on Today I Was Wrong About Everything
Seeing as the rumor is Doan wants $7.5 million a year for 4 years, I don't really blame Holland for not pulling the trigger. If Doan wants to make ballpark what he got in Phoenix, I'd be happy to have him.
2 years, 7 months ago on It Won't Be Doan | July
2 years, 7 months ago on Wings Should Offer Weber A Contract Like Noone's Ever Seen: $12M+ | July
@moorecha @DetCapC19 Scoring was an issue at times. We did better this season than last, but there were times when we struggled. Like when Datsyuk was hurt and when Franzen decided to nap.
It's not our #1 need, but it needs to be shored up a bit.
@magnum9 I don't disagree that any star is a star, I just disagree whether or not their star quality can outweigh goon behavior. In the examples of Weber and Chelios I think you can argue yes. For Pronger, Tootoo and others, I think you can't.
You and I are, for the most part, on the exact same page. Our difference is where we draw the line. Or rather, who we put on what side of our life.
@DetCapC19 So I guess thinking opportunity costs... Is Shea Weber worth 12 million + Shane Doan and/or Alexander Semin + 4 first round draft picks
@DetCapC19 If you drop Mursak and Emmerton, prior to Quincey and Abdelkader resigning just shy of 6 million. So you have to hope their combined salaries don't beat that. Or not sign them.
I don't think we could afford Semin or Doan if we get Weber
@Twig Sorry, meant bottom 6 forwards.
@ThroatShot So you're doing the same thing you accuse me of doing (only hearing the things you want to hear so you can argue) instead of addressing my point, the same thing you expect me to do?
I've addressed your point - you think Chara and Weber are on the same level of "heinous" behavior, and I'm trying to get you to understand they may not be by asking you a question, which you refuse to answer.
But okay, I guess I'll live up to your debate standards even if you can't be bothered.
@Twig Quincey, Weber, Ericsson, Kronwall, Smith, Kindl and White give you the 7 defense depth you'd want. If you let Quincey walk, who do you bring in to be #7? It has to be someone you can trust to play.
Which top 6 forwards can you part with?
Assuming we sign Weber to a 12 million deal, that leaves us with 4.8 million and change in cap space. We have Kyle Quincey (through arbitration) and Justin Abdelkader's contract to figure out.
What else, if anything, does Kenny need to do?
@ThroatShot A spelling error =/= a factual error. And is what happened with Chara more heinous because of the degree of injury? Because you would be hard pressed to argue that Chara intended to smash his face into a metal pole, whereas you would not be hard pressed to argue that Weber intended to small Zetterberg's face into a glass wall.
@ThroatShot Sorry, didn't know getting facts straight was unimportant to arguments.
@ThroatShot If you're referring to the Paciorretty (spelling?) hit, Chara was not suspended.
@magnum9 Never said that about Chelios. Never said it about Weber. I've said it about Pronger and Tootoo.
Weber could do what he did because he's about 6 inches and 40 pounds heavier than Zetterberg and he did a stupid thing.
I agree with wanting the Red Wings to bulk and toughen up. I don't mind bringing in guys like Weber to do it. But I want our tough guys to have skills other than being goons. Weber has skills other than being a goon, so much so I wouldn't call him a goon.
@magnum9 By the time Chelios came to Detroit, most of that stuff was behind him, as I recall. And comparing the behavior of Chris Chelios in the 80's and early 90's is a bit of an anachronism anyhow
@Twig @magnum9 @freakazoid0587 @DetCapC19 The difference between Weber and Tootoo, in my eyes, is Tootoo is a dirty player. Weber is a good player who did a dirty thing.
I'd be more willing to forgive Weber than Tootoo
@NickKehagias As I wrote, Doan is probably going to cost us less to get than Semin. If we get Weber at 11 or 12 million, we might have to go the more economical route (assuming we can get him).I don't know if we'd want to trade Emmerton AND Abby because they both can be good 4th line centers. I don't know if that'd be a job Tatar is suited for or not. One or the other might work. I'd hate to see Miller go because of how awesome he was filling in for Eaves. But I guess if that's what'd have to happen, it'd be interesting.
@moorecha What? That we could have Lebda? He is an unrestricted free agent.
2 years, 7 months ago on The Price Is Right: Quincey Edition | July
I don't really like Kyle Quincey, but I know that we need guys on the blueline, and it could be worse. We could have Meech or Lebda.
I'm guessing 4.35 million.
@moorecha They're over-rated when they're not coupled with a good skill set. Bertuzzi's size and strength were an asset when he was still a 30-40 goal scorer. Jagr's strength still serves him will because he has skills to put it to good use.
Fact of the matter is, the league is getting bigger and stronger, the Wings need to do the same.
2 years, 8 months ago on Wings Land Euro-Star | June
@moorecha I don't think he's wrong about Cleary and Holmstrom, I just think he said it in an extremely stupid way.
@thebiglachovsky Well there's a lot of guys (Tatar, Mursak, Emmerton, Jurco, etc) who have been in the system longer who are about that age that you'd have to pass over to bring this kid in.
@moorecha The defenseman from Anaheim people are saying the Wings could go after. Problem is he's probably going to want ice time immediately and we wouldn't necessarily be willing to do that.
@thebiglachovsky Same problem with Schultz. The Wings have the system in place between GR and the Red Wings. I don't know if we've had anyone in this century get drafted and immediate go and play. Everyone has to spend their time in GR.
I tweeted my concern to the freepress, in that I don't want the Red Wings to keep going after smallish Euro-players because I think we need size and strength and grit in our goal scorers too.
That being said, he's shown a scoring touch that is outstanding and maybe he can be a future Datsyuk or Zetterberg as those guys get older. So it's an exciting proposition to be sure.
@Reddy @moorecha For Red Wings fans, absolutely. But Zach Parise isn't a Red Wings fan. He's a professional hockey player currently under contract with the New Jersey Devils.
I tweeted that there is something to be said for being a part of a city's favorite sports franchise (or at least, one of its favorites) as opposed to the red headed step child of the group as is the case in the NY/NJ area, and I stand by that. Hopefully that kind of rich tradition will help to allure Parise to Detroit. But let's keep our hopes about this realistic.
2 years, 8 months ago on Hey Zach - Want To Know Why You Should Pick Detroit? | June
@moorecha @RedWings3RDP @Reddy Or he can lead the Devils with a C on his chest.
@Reddy If he has the leadership qualities he's alleged to have, and qualities the Red Wings want him for, then he wants to lead.
"There's a million reasons out there why you should pick Detroit over New Jersey" - more like 7 or 8 million, LOL M I RITE!
But seriously, I totally agree. Only thing I could say in retort, to sort of play the devil's advocate, is that in New Jersey if he were to win the Cup, he gets to lift it first as the Captain. In Detroit, he'll have to watch Zetterberg lift it first, and then hand it off to whomever he wants to.
Not that Parise wouldn't be welcomed and adored in Detroit, but he's going to have to give up the C to someone else.
@moorecha Yeah I couldn't remember if it was both, I just remember Mickey calling out Roy on it all the time. The principle is the same though: unusually large equipment to gain an unfair advantage.
2 years, 8 months ago on Goaltending The Way It Was Meant To Be (Or Why Lundqvist Is a Fraud)) | June
Reminds of back in the day when Patrick Roy was criticized for wearing the giant jersey that caused pucks to get caught in it and sorta dribble instead of ripping past him.
I seem to recall as a result of that, the equipment/jerseys were shrunk. Either I'm wrong, or they've crept back up.
My total thoughts are here:http://3rdrounddraftpick.blogspot.com/2012/06/why-darren-helms-contract-is-perfect.html
But basically I think it's the perfect contract and am 100% satisfied with it. Anyone who isn't is a bad person and should feel bad for having a bad opinion.
2 years, 8 months ago on Helm Re-Signed for 4 More Years | June
@Reddy @garth @RedWings3RDP Well they've announced that they're not going to retain Radulov and he's well on his way back to the KHL. If they're going to let Radulov go, good chance they'd let Kostitzyn go. Either way, they may be looking to add another 20+ goal scorer and Hudler can be that.
So you exchange negotiating rights and both teams potentially get what they want and need.
2 years, 8 months ago on Suter's Rights Are For Sale | June
What if we traded Jiri Hudler's negotiating rights for Suter's negotiating rights?
@ThroatShot @Twig I'm okay with that. More ice time for Goose
2 years, 8 months ago on It Won't Be Nash | June
@Twig You're probably right. Although how funny would it be if the Red Wings signed Hudler to a contract just to use him as trade fodder for Nash? Again, I know it's not likely, but it'd be hilarious.
I had written that I felt as though getting Nash was as likely as getting Parise at this point. And I think getting Nash is possible, but not likely. I would just love to see him in Detroit if we could get him.
But, you've laid out a pretty good argument for while the Red Wings won't get him. I certainly don't want to see Smith and Nyquist leave Detroit, even for a guy like Nash.
If we could get him for a deal that didn't fleece the Wings, I'd say go for it. But you're right, we're probably going to get fleeced to get him. The only way I think the trade could happen in Detroit's favor is if Nash presses Columbus hard enough for a trade so that they have to settle for less than they really want.
@Twig @Reddy @moorecha @ThroatShot You know what I'm hearing? A buncha whiny goalies complaining about being sissies! *flees from comment section*
2 years, 9 months ago on Play On | May
@Twig @D.M.N I laughed heartily.
@ThroatShot @Twig Agreed. And didn't Clemmensen start to blow up at the end of the season/in the playoffs (despite losing to NJ)?If that's the case, would he leave somewhere else to be a backup goalie in Detroit?
2 years, 9 months ago on Goalies We Could Use | May
@ThroatShot @Twig It's the inflated value that has me concerned about us being able to get the deals on guys like Semin, Parise and Suter that we would like to. I think without the cap bump and a bit deeper FA pool, we could maybe snag these guys closer to the 5 million mark. Hell, maybe less if we had a stronger year and the market wasn't so slim. I think despite a record 23 home win streak, a 20 year playoff streak and another 100 point season, the Red Wings have a tougher sell about "coming to Detroit to win a cup" this off-season. It's still valid, just a bit weaker of a bargaining position.
Those three guys know they're wanted, the Red Wings made it known, Columbus has made it known they want to rebuild, Florida's going to be looking for puzzle pieces, Calgary, San Jose and Anaheim are looking at maybe rebuilding or restructuring. And if New Jersey makes it to the Cup Finals, I have a hard time believing they're going to let their captain go, unless the Devils have doubts about his leadership qualities. And if they go that far (and win) I doubt he'd want to leave.
Maybe I'm wrong, and if they win, he'd go "Well, got my cup, time to make a fortune!" and wade into the FA market.
@garth Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the mad. When you calm yourself down, I will listen to what you have to say. Until then, just ignore my posts.
@Twig Oh I completely agree it's financially possible, I just don't think it's a certainty. If Lidstrom comes back, he's probably going to get a ballpark of 6 million he got before. Helm and Abdelkader will probably both get contracts of 1mil or more, resigning Hudler and Quincey (which aren't certainty either) could hit us for 3mil each.
I'm guessing Suter is going to want Lidstrom money (or close) and both Parise and Semin are going to want 5mil or more.
We could end up with roughly the cap space we had this season, give or take a million or two, which could translate into a backup goalie. Unless Holland wants to keep that space open in order to have wiggle room at the deadline, which is something he likes to do and isn't a bad idea - unless you do nothing with it like he did this year.
With the confidence they vocalized for MacDonald, they may choose to go that route and I think it's a good route to go. At the very least you have to get the names I mentioned figured out and signed. And then you have to hope some of the goalies mentioned are willing to settle for 1mil or so to be a backup.
If we MacDonald didn't have the showing he had this season, I would be 100% on board with a higher priority for a backup goalie. But I think MacDonald can be the #2 guy.
Before your criticize people's English understanding, might want to capitalize a proper noun. You should also use hyperbole correctly.
My point is why they didn't try to trade for anyone? Their goalie situation between last year and this year hasn't changed, except for the assumption that Conklin is not going to be resigned. Jimmy Howard is the guy, and someone is going to be the back up. If you believe that MacDonald doesn't have the quality to be a back up now, he didn't have what it last season either.
If they need to bring someone in now, they needed someone then. They didn't do it, because MacDonald fulfilled the need of a back up goaltender stepping up when the starter was unable to play, either because he needed rest or he was injured. He went a bit above .500, better than the Red Wings road record. You don't expect your back up to be lights out: you don't expect them to dominate the way Rask or Schneider, Elliot have. You don't expect them to pressure the top guy for his job, you expect them to be solid for you when you need them to be.
Trades happen because the teams agree to a deal. They negotiate deals that they're interested in that will benefit them. To fill needs. Holland said he wanted Quincey for more depth on the blue line going into the post season. To my knowledge, he didn't say he needed a new backup goaltender going into the post season. He was happy with Howard and at least satisfied with the guys behind him. Everyone I've heard said by Babcock, Holland and the team support that claim. I never said they should have signed a goalie, or should have tried to sign a goalie. I'm saying if they felt they needed it, they would have tried. If you're aware of a trade rumor about a goalie this year, please share it with the class.
But you're right. I said we don't need a backup at all. Except for that whole middle part where I said Joey MacDonald can be our back up. I don't think we need to go and sign one, because we potentially have our guy. And I'd rather the Red Wings focus on what I think are much more pressing needs - signing a top 6 forward (or two) and a top line blue liner. If the money pans out (which isn't the certainty you believe to be) and we can get a backup as a steal, it's definitely an option. I think there are bigger issues, and I'd also like to see us not totally capped come trade deadline either.
But like I said. Stop being mad. I told you to shut up because it's a sarcastic response to someone making ridiculous suggestions. And because you're mad, and it's obvious you're more mad.
@garth Oh god, it takes TWO teams for trades to happen? I thought this was just NHL 11 where I can pluck players from other teams and drop them onto the roster of my favorite team.
I think it's funny the raging assumptions you have to make in order to disagree with me: "Vezina-worthy"? Please. I never claimed that MacDonald could be anything but a viable backup goalie.
I don't care about what's best for the team? I'm talking about solving greater needs first, major free agency signings for major position fillings and resigning important players for the team, and you have the audacity to say I'm not thinking about what's best for the team? Just shut up.
Stop being mad because someone disagrees with you. It's embarrassing and makes it hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone who's just mad.
@garth I'm not ignoring they will have nearly 30 million. You're ignoring that they have to potentially resign Lidstorm, Helm, Hudler, Abdelkader, and Quincey and THEN go shopping for major free agent pick ups. Those are more important than the backup goalie situation.
And my mistake, I thought he had a groin injury last season. Turns out it was a knee injury. And a shoulder injury.
Like I said, if the Wings needed a new backup goaltender because MacDonald isn't worthy of the spot, they could have traded for one. They had 5 million in cap space to sign or trade for someone. But they didn't. Because MacDonald is good enough to fill the backup role.
@garth Jimmy has had groin injury issues, which are even more serious for goaltenders than they are for skaters.
My point about Babcock and the team's confidence is that when MacDonald had to step up, he did. And the team respected his solid play. And instead of going shopping for goalies when Conklin was sucking and Jimmy was hurt before the trade deadline (which they could have), they opted to back MacDonald and he got the job done.
They had plenty of cap space then; why not go after someone?
And if we're talking about going for Suter and/or Parise and/or Semin, etc. we're going to have to spend some money. On top of that, we have to look at our UFA/RFA signings and make sure we have the cap space for all of that, plus the shopping we want to do, plus have something left over for trade deadline moves if we need to.
@Lauren H Is there anything that says that contract can't change?
@garth His back issues are a legitimate concern. Although I would point out the last couple of seasons, Jimmy Howard has had more injury problems than MacDonald had. But yeah, his back issues are a concern.
And it isn't so much what I think of his performance, it's about what Babcock and his team thinks. The team and Babcock were behind him.
My point is: If we want to go after Suter AND Parise (or Semin or Kane or whoever) and if Holland wants to have money to play with come trade deadline, not to mention the free agents on our own team we may be looking to re-sign (Helm, Abdelkader) we may have to take a deal on a goaltender, and Joey MacDonald is a good option to do so.