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@Paul Hue @curiositymakesasmartcat That timeline is off by two minutes. The police apparently don't know how to read their own dispatch logs. Zim's call came just after 19:09, not 19:11.
2 years, 11 months ago on The Racist Art of Michael D'Antuono
OT, but since we discussed it here at one point: Dharun Ravi was just sentenced: 30 days jail, 3 years probation, about $11,000 fines + community service. Seems eminently fair to me.
@rrrrottenapples @snapsbacula OK, thanks.
@rrrrottenapples @snapsbacula I wonder if it is legit, though. Is it really a leaked copy of clubhouse video? Hm...
Has anyone seen this: http://www.vidsy-vids.com/watch.php
I can't make this web site respond at all when I click on anything, but then again, I've been having browser issues. *sigh*
@VickisSmith @Redbrow "how many people could go through such severe trauma- then adamantly want to return to work the morning after?" -- People who really need their job and the money. People (like me) who do better during an emotionally stressful time if their mind is occupied with other things--like work.
2 years, 11 months ago on The Missing 2:30 & DeeDee's Testimony
@AghastinFL @Andybinga I'm glad he brought up the points about how the voice can change under stress.
@stobberdobber Stobber, one small caution about the axiom site. I listened to some of the audio that they posted from the discovery release, and DeeDee's statement has been edited to omit the section where she said Martin was right by "his father's house". So I would not rely on anything they post.
@Andybinga At least they talked to the FBI guy who made a lot of sense in what he was saying.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo Better yet, since you put such stock in police documents, look at his intake sheet from April: 185 pounds.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo Dude, that was from 7 years ago. Look at the video from February. Of this year. You're clearly wrong.
@ing4life @MaggieMoo "Zimmerman was 5'10 and 250 pounds." -- Bullshit. Numerous people, including the police, have listed his height at either 5'8" and you can see in the police video from the night of the shooting that the 185 is believable.
@ing4life Zimmerman is listed on the jail intake sheet as 5'8" and 185 pounds.
@ing4life A CDC study notes that an average of 5800 people die each year from assault-caused traumatic brain injuries. So concrete sidewalk+head smashing=very real fear of serious injury.
@ing4life "T-Mart was 5-11 and 150 according to the autopsy report" -- 158 pounds. Minor, but I thought I'd point it out.
@gmac124 @Terry " I was mainly trying to point out that the prosecution's case is weak" -- Agreed. No argument from me there.
@gmac124 (Just checking in for a moment) "the prosecution built there case on DeeDee and the 2 people running towards the T before the confrontation" -- I posted this way downthread somewhere:
Also, if the state intends to rely on her testimony as well as the "I saw two shadows running" witness as the basis for their 2nd degree murder case, then they have a problem because according to DeeDee's statement, Martin refused to run even though Zimmerman was close to him. So DeeDee=no running, witness w/o her contacts in=running. Gonna have to pick on or the other.
Don't know if this was mentioned or not, but there's something to pursue in DeeDee's recorded statement. Around 9:00 minutes in, just after she says that Martin is "near his daddy's house", she says "he starts walking back". I swear she said "back", but the attorney says "so he started walking fast?" Now, her diction and grammar are atrocious, and she is easily suggested and led by the attorney--twice she asks him what he wants her to say. But if she said "back" and actually meant "back", that changes things a bit, doesn't it?
I'll try to listen again later, but it probably won't be until tonight (have funeral and attorneys of my own to deal with today)
Eh, blog post tomorrow about all this if I don't get too burned out today.
@RickyJimenez Lord, that girl needs to learn to enunciate. Sounds like she's got a mouth full of marbles.
@realitycheck Hah. you just beat me to it. :)
@GWCarver One of the police officer's reports also said that Zimmerman complained of light-headedness while being transported to the police station.
@gmac124 I think missed DeeDee's statement on my quick pass also. the OS quoted from it, but I don't remember seeing it in the documents. Hm...
What's really odd about the discovery released so far is that it doesn't contain any of Zimmerman's statements. Either that or they are in the heavily blacked out sections of a couple of the reports. Very odd...
@MaggieMoo Oh, where's the video? I haven't seen that yet.
@skeptykal_uv_everthang See Andy's link above. It's 183 pages, though, and I'm 23 pages in and just skimming for the good stuff.
@Andybinga "Voice comparison is not possible ... due to extreme stress and unsuitable audio quality". Think I'll take the FBI's word over Owen's.
More from the released docs: a police officer asked Martin's father on March 5 for the pin code to Martin's phone so that they could unlock it. Martin's father said he would have to contact his lawyer before releasing that information.
@gmac124 @Terry Interesting. One of the responding officers noticed a cell phone and black flashlight on the ground right near the T; these are Zimmerman's. The fight concluded about 20 ft further south of there. So since the fight appears to have progressed from the T to the south, it seems unlikely that either Zim or Martin chased the other north. Must keep reading... (am only about 18 pages in)
@DizzyMissL Cool. Let's see if we can see what might be Zimmerman's truck in one of those.
@DizzyMissL The ME says Martin was 5'11" and weighed 158 pounds.
@DizzyMissL I'm going to have a busy night reading...
@ConcernedCitizen Saw that. LOL. Too bad if it's true, but how can one not like "Achmed the Dead Terrorist".
@ConcernedCitizen "Must be a fun night at the Sentinel tonight." -- Yeah, that article keeps updating every 10-15 minutes.
@Indverif I should add that the only way her statement makes sense is if Martin doubled-back, back up to where Zimmerman was.
@Indverif DeeDee can't be telling the truth though about Zimmeran catching Martin at his back door because just seconds later the fight is occurring at the north end of the sidewalk. Can't be in two places at once.
@Indverif @dan123123123 "what effect does marijuana have on someone who smokes it?" -- Varies a lot. But it would explain the Skittles run in the dark and the rain (assuming he smoked it before he left for the store).
More from the same continually-updating Sentinel article:
"The girl said Trayvon started running, "and then, he said he lost him [Zimmerman]," she said, adding that the teen's "voice kind of changed… I could tell he was scared." The girl said she told Trayvon to keep running, but "he said he ain't gonna run. He said he's right by his father's house." "And in a couple minutes, he said a man's following him again, he's behind him," she said. "I say, 'run.'""
If Martin was right by his father's house, why didn't he go in? Now we know he made it home and CHOSE to go back.
Dammit we need to see all this directly. Not get it filtered through the media.
"Two FBI audio specialists tried to identify who was screaming in the background of one 911 call and concluded it was impossible, according to the documents. The quality of the recording was not good enough and the screams didn't last long enough, they wrote."
Corey is sunk.
@stobberdobber @RickyJimenez "They can tell by the amount of other things approximately how long past they used it" -- that's what I was thinking...I have a contact in a forensic lab (not at all related to this case) that I might be able to ask about this.
@Redbrow Holy cow, that looks...painful.
@Redbrow An article at the Orlando Sentinel says that they are uploading a lot of teh discovery and to check back for updates: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-17/news/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-released-20120517_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-new-evidence-documents
@stobberdobber They seem to be pretty slow yo scan and post things. I wonder how long it will take to get the discovery items.
@Redbrow @orlandosentinel Just saw this on the Orlando Sentinel site as well.
@Redbrow Redbrow, thanks, I've got that page bookmarked and have been checking it, but so far nothing.
@mattstate @Redbrow @curiositymakesasmartcat @stobberdobber "that can't be right . . . because according to ing4life "intermediate range" means 10 feet away" -- ing's Google-fu is not nearly as good as mine...
Does anyone have a link to where the autopsy reports, Zim's medical records, etc. have been posted? I mean the actual documents. I'm tired of reading just the paraphrased bits that the media seems to think are important.
@Redbrow @curiositymakesasmartcat @stobberdobber I looked it up and "intermediate" range starts at about 6-8 inches. So if Martin were straddling Zimmerman, the left side of his chest where he bullet entered could easily be that far away. And intermediate range wounds do still have powder burns, stippling, etc.