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"' Circumcision is a part of Islamic teaching and is recommended for both
male and female,” MUI deputy secretary-general Amirsyah Tambunan said." So much for Islamic teaching then.
1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/01/28/calls-mount-government-retract-support-fgm.html
The price is not just in dollars. Most circumcised men pay a price without knowing it in lost sexual pleasure, but some know it. There's no dotted line and no rule about how much to take, so no guarantee that he will turn out like his father. Some pay more, with botched outcomes, complications, occasionally - and scandalously, we don't know how often - with their lives.
6 months, 2 weeks ago on Doctors shocked at price of circumcision at Alaskan hospital, stop performing procedures there
There is nothing in the Qu'ran about genital cutting, male or female, only some dubious ahadith. Cut (the best) part of your own genitals off if you want (heck, cut them all off, be my guest) but in the name of compassion and mercy, leave children's genitals alone.
8 months, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/06/29/circumcised-cop-shop-too-much-kids.html
There is nothing in the Qu'ran about gennital cutting, male or female, only some dubious ahadith. Cut (the best) part of your own genitals off if you want (heck, cut them all off, be my guest) but in the name of compassion and mercy, leave children's genitals alone.
@Macarpen@KarenArguedas"more die while getting their tonsils taken out."Have you figures for that? Shamefully, we have no figures for circumcision deaths, but a recent Brazilian study found one death in 7700 circumcisions. A court recently ruled that patients have to be warned of half that risk (and that was "only" loss of sight after an eye operation). And nowadays tonsillectomy is only done when it is necessary."More die from the flu and even the common cold, than dying from a circumcision."Probably true, but we don't deliberately infect children with flu or the common cold, in fact quite the reverse. That is one terrible analogy. The ONLY thing colds and flu have in common with circumcision is that both can kill!"As for the religious- I am commanded by my G-d to circumcise my children." Here are contact details for more than 80 celebrants of non-surgical baby naming ceremonies (Brisot Shalom), 40 of them rabbis, one of the rabbis a professor of religious studies, in 30 US states and several other countries, including Israel: http://tinyurl.com/britshalom
1 year ago on Extremists, Repeat After Me.
@Macarpen@tarab76@Simply Sarah@NajiWench@YeomanRomanThe Belgian study was a convenience sample - they handed out survey forms to men in the street - and relies on self-reporting. The small number of circumcised men just follows the small number of circumcised men in Belgium. The Frisch study in Denmark has the same problem, but a much larger, more randomly selected sample. The result is presented graphically here: http://http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.html#denmark with a link back to the original study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=21672947A striking aspect is the desperate attempt of circumcision advocate Brian Morris to prevent publication. Who are the real extremists?
@robmadrid Can't everyone agree that it's choice for the owner of the penis? (When he is old enough to have one, of course - he'll almost always choose to keep it all.)"Complications"? So two maternal uncles had something the matter with their foreskins. What does that prove about his? Cutting normal, healthy parts of the body to prevent something that happened to relations would be universally regarded as bizarre and foolish if it were any other part of the body. Why is the foreskin alone the only part of the body that is fair game for this kind of thinking? "It's also cultural. Americans circumcise." There is nothing about American culture that makes it imperative to circumcise - and actually only about half do. The other half of Americans can stop circumcising, and then Americans will have stopped circumcising - just as Australians and New Zealanders have stopped circumcising (with no ill-effects). (And Europeans don't circumcise, not because it is part of European culture not to circumcise, any more than it is part of European culture not to tattoo babies - they just don't.)
@Macarpen @Simply Sarah @NajiWench @YeomanRoman Cutting parts of children's genitals off is not comparable with giving them fruit juice. In fact it is not comparable with any of the other things that parents do to or for their children. Lacking religious motivation or serious medical need, it is now ONLY done to a majority of babies in the USA - to very slim or residual minorities in the rest of the developed world. It is only a choice for parents because the medical profession makes it a choice for them, and they only do that because they were pushed back from doing it willy-nilly by the introduction of informed consent law in 1972. There are sill plenty of cases of parents being strongly coerced to do it.Saying this is not a choice for parents is not extreme, any more than it is extreme to say that cutting the exactly equivalent part of a baby girl's genitals off (the clitoral prepuce or hood, not the actual clitoris, the exact equivalent of the male prepuce - surgically, with pain relief) is not a decision for parents. Nobody has ever bothered to produce any scientific evidence that that is traumatic or affects female sexuality. That is now not even legal in the US or most of the developed world. That is a much closer analogy to male circumcision than apple juice is.
@AmyPearce"The ol' snip snip". If you watch any of the many online videos of it being done you won't call it that again. * With a Gomco, Winkelman or Mogen Clamp it's sliced - and a Mogen may take more than just the foreskin, which has led to successful claims worth millions and the Mogen company going out of business.
* With a Plastibell or PrePex it's crushed and allowed to die.
* With an Accu-circ it's chopped.
- but never "snipped"." I never thought twice about it. It’s just what you did." Is it extreme to ask people to think twice about it? Even to make it something you don't do (as it is in all of the developed world - except the USA)? We are after all not asking people to do anything, but to do NOTHING. Is that so extreme?
Forcibly circumcising a man is very like raping a woman - violating them in the most intimate way. It is a disgusting practice and it must stop. Any culture that requires this needs to change, just as cultures that required slavery had to change. No custom or culture is perfect or unchangable. And the claim that it reduces transmission of HIV/AIDS is doubtful. In any case, it is up to the man himself to decide, when he is old enough, whether he wants to do that to protect himself.
1 year, 8 months ago on Forceful circumcision in Mbale: Police fire teargas
Circumcision is a dangerous distraction from the fight against HIV/AIDS. In 10 out of 18 countries for which USAID has figures, more of the circumcised men have HIV than the non-circumcised. Rwanda is one, where 2.5% of the circumcised men had HIV in 2010 but 2.2% of the intact. This should at least be explained before blundering on with mass circumcision campaigns. The "60% reduction" figure is waved about like a talisman, but it is entirely based on 73 circumcised men who did not get HIV less than two years after 5,400 men were circumcised, compared to 64 who did. There are many reasons that could be so other than a direct effect of circumcision. Women in particular should be skeptical. A study in Uganda started to show that circumcising men INcreases the risk to them, but it was cut short for no good reason before that could be confirmed. Condoms protect both partners, but circumcised men will be harder to persuade to wear them.
1 year, 8 months ago on Gicumbi men rush for circumcision
@blamer The OP hasn't mentioned anything other than circumcision disappearing, but there is no reason genital cutting should not be taken off the table, for boys as it (all of it, no matter how minor) already has been for girls. The only reason it stays on the table anywhere is pressure from two religious groups. The medicial profession should have nothing to do with it.
1 year, 9 months ago on Cognitive Dissonance and the Truth About Circumcision – By Maria Bangs
@blamer How can parents ever be "informed" enough to know what their newborn baby, as a man, is going to want for his own penis?
@Catdog The reason Payne et al. found no difference is simple (and the same as for Masters & Johnson). They ignored the foreskin. Interestingly they measured temperature as a marker for arousal, and the intact men averaged one degree lower when not aroused, but they reached the same temperature when aroused. So you could say that a given stimulus is more arousing to intact men - but Payne et al were at pains :) to avoid anything like that.
@Catdog "An examination by Short (BMJ, 2000) of 7 circumcised and 6 uncircumcised 60-96 year-old male cadavers found no difference in keratinization of the glans penis." Do you seriously think that 13 dead old men can be extrapolated to the whole male population? Short is a circumcision advocate who's dying to be the hero who solves the AIDS problem. So far he's promoted circumcision, topical oestrogen on the penis and lemon juice in the vagina to this end. No Nobel yet.
@Catdog Sure there were 4000 subjects, all paid volunteers to be circumcised in the hope and belief it prevented HIV. They knew what side their bread was buttered on. It was carried out by the same researchers who had "proved" that circumcision prevents HIV, so they had an agenda. More than 98% of men reported satisfaction both before and after circumcision - how very different from every other such study. Clearly either Uganda is a sexual paradise (unless you're gay: you might be killed for it) - OR their questioning was too insenstive to detect any differenc.e.
In Rwanda, 3.8% of circumcised men have HIV, compared to 2.1% of non-circumcised men, according to USAID (http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/CR22/CR22.pdf). Similar ratios apply in 10 out of 18 countries for which they have figures. So how can mass circumcision possibly help?
The PrePex device works by crushing the foreskin into a grooved plastic ring, cutting off its circulation so it dies and falls off. We have used a similar device here for generations, only on sheep, and not on their foreskins. It's called an Elastrator.
1 year, 10 months ago on Rwanda Gov’t to expand ‘PrePex’ circumcision
To say "circumcision reduces HIV/AIDS by 60%." is very misleading. All the studies can claim is that less than two years after circumcising 5,400 men, 64 of them had HIV, compared to 137 of another 5,400 men made to wait. Contacts were not traced, so we don't even know which, if any of the men got HIV from women. Several times as many men left the trials, their HIV status unknown. If HIV rates fall following the SMC, it is as likely to be from the "comprehensive HIV/AIDS prevention strategy" as the circumcising.
1 year, 11 months ago on Arua men overwhelm circumcision facility