mark ranger
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@patti is ticked NYC crime rate is down to it's lowest in decades. Murder rate is lowest since 1963. Violent crime went down 75% just in the past few years. They don't have that law, guess the people up there just have their common sense to save them. They have a true mix of race and ethnicity, yet they can get along just fine.
Florida will even mail a concealed gun license to folks in NY, even if you haven't lived in FL for decades...LOL!! A reporter did it last year by taking an online test, just to prove to them their system was wacked. They declared it was working just fine and insulted the journalist for trying it.. yep it was his fault the system sucks.
@Txflybyknight @markranger @Rowwdy @Indverif You keep missing the main point. His status of resident there (or not) was not the cause of concern and was not necessary to call the police. He thought the person was walking around intoxicated or under the influence. That alone is a justification. You are still stuck on a talking point from someone else, that TM needs to be proved to look like a stranger. It is not required. You CAN call in a neighbor for wandering around drunk. It is likely he will injure himself or someone else. Are you saying as a neighborhood watch guy he would have let a stoned neighbor wander around??
The fact that you are stuck on it implies it must be a GZ talking point, to give more credence to his actions. It's not necessary to the police or their response. You tell them a kid is wandering around on drugs..guess what..they will still come by. Saying you don't know him doesn't add a heck of a lot other than possibly giving them a place to go to after they grab him.
Arguing over what constitutes a resident is pointless. Saying he is never wrong..pointless.. since they did not catch all the people he called in. They are distracting arguments that mean nothing.
@Rowwdy Is that scrape on his finger an indication of a fight? According you to you..it is not. So why would he assume that either?
@Txflybyknight @markranger @AghastinFL You are calling me myoptic, and then stick to a scene out of reservoir dogs? seriously. We are talking light jackets..it's in florida.. Thick clothing is not a t-shirt and hoodie?!? wow.. talk about struggling to create the questions to match your answers..
No one leaves his opponents hands free to attack them. If you are grappling wtih an opponent you are trying to either block or leverage them into a position where they cannot strike you. If he is going all MMA style on GZ then he has to do one of two things. Secure or block GZs arms. I know of some experts that can probably do it with just their legs..but even then it's dicey. So he putting both hands and his balance on the "hugely thick" summer jacket and banging away. If he raises his head over his neck...no impact to head. weird..huh.. doesn't match your scenario.. so he has to try again. pushing TM up farther on GZ to holding his head and smacking down. Now legs are more open and lower arm is free. Balance is even worse then before if he isn't wrapped around him.
Before you guys create this one size fits all scenarios. Try wrestling with a friend or someone at your dojo and see how much balance you have in those positions. If you've never used martial arts or defense techniques before, give it a try. It makes you have a better perspective than some armchair warrior assuming what a fight is like. You obviously never tried it, give it a shot then you can take your single scenario and improve it a bit.
@Txflybyknight So you have never been in a fight? If TM was fighting MMA style GZ would have been unconscious or dead. He's in a superior position with access to GZs head and neck.
you make several flaws in your argument. You assume only one case and stick with it without fail.
1) TM did not need the weapon. The only reason for a grab would be if GZ had drawn or was attempting to draw. He already, according to your account had the advantage and was utilizing it. He had nothing further to gain by abandoning a strong position and moving to a week position. Denying the weapon to GZ would be what a MMA fighter would do. Keep him from drawing, fairly simple if he was in fact in a grappling move. Bind his arms and cut off blood flow to the brain.
2) Next you talk about it being dehorned (ok. you obviously never touched a lathe in your life) as a great reason why no cuts were made..then next in line come up with cuts on TMs hand ARE the reason we know he is guilty and reached for the weapon. huh? you argue mutually exclusive answers.. It makes you look pretty addled.
As an aside. I do enough martial arts and defense training to know the way to keep a gunmen defenseless is to keep his gun in their holster. As a state firearms instructor, I would HOPE you would know that too. It sincerely doesn't sound like it though, making me conclude you have never tried a self defense training in any martial art. TM being this expert MMA fighter, like you make him out to be, he would strike the neck and force loss of consciousness in seconds. Pulling a weapon out while you would still need to wrestle over it, makes no sense.
The weapon is then useless and can easily be obtained. Done the moves. it works really, really well. Just a basic brazilian choke hold will get someone down in as little as 4 sec. That's another trained fighter. It would be almost impossible in a controlling position TM was supposed to be in, to NOT be able to do that. Especially if, again, he was doing MMA moves like an expert.The only way your point can ever hold water. If TM was just flailing around and never in control during any part of the fight. It was just a scared kid in an open brawl. That doesn't help your case any. It implies then he was never in any controlling position and by denying him the weapon. Preventing TM from drawing, the threat of the weapon was minimized.
@Rowwdy @Indverif you have a twisted sort of logic. Adults setup residency..ONLY... Do you assume anyone's 4mo year old child is not "living" at a their residence? What is he..just visiting till he gets his rental agreement to sign? In divorces parents sometimes share parental rights for kids. While the children have a primary residence, the alternate residences are still considered valid homes. If not, then some idiot would declare that kids not living there less than 6 mo not be allowed.
GZ would not and could not know everyone. The area had rentals. People move in and move out. Nothing there showed he even knew ALL THE PERMANENT residents. Exceptionally stupid point to bring up and debunk. He had permanent neighbors that complained he harassed them about what THEY were doing there.
Saying that he investigated him because he seemed intoxicated is a valid argument (which you never make in your rant). You can do that with a resident too. No restrictions there...what so ever... Same with breaking and entering. Kids FROM neighborhoods do it too, would you ignore them acting suspiciously because you knew them? Hell no. So why go on some indefensible argument about residency?
One line sentence, he followed him because he thought he was intoxicated/under the influence. valid and to the point. You say quite a bit, but none of your posts help your argument. 2 or 3 points about GZ would achieve all you would ever need to say to make his actions something to defend.
Right now.. you don't make a damn bit of sense, you're just jumping on someone elses bandwagon of arguments. You don't even understand the point they are trying to make with it so being a smart ass to Indverif makes you look even more foolish.
@Pooh Huffy @rileyjives could explain GZ's anger problems..
@Txflybyknight @markranger Where did it state his gun's frame had the aluminum edges smoothed off? Isn't it a bit of conjecture to assume he had done any work without having a either receipts for work or him explaining everything he's done himself?
You actually made my point pretty well. Pulling a gun from left to his right means TMs right hand was in clear grasping reach. No matter which hand GZ used, TM (not a gun owner) would grab with closest. He would only grab with left once the gun was in the right hand with GZ.
@snapsbacula @Redbrow @deanno thanks for the comic relief.
@snapsbacula @Redbrow @deanno I really enjoy the fact that you can cut and paste the same response to any sort of posting. It shows great ingenuity and efficiency in thought on your part. Saves a lot of time not having to consider facts, when you can reduce the situation to a sort of religious belief.
@Rowwdy Anglo-Saxon is an ethnicity, Germanic to be exact. They spoke a language.. Just like Normans were an ethnicity..also with their own language. It all merged together in GB and created a mess we call english. It's why our words don't all agree in form. It's like building a puzzle out of sets with two different sizes.
WASP has never referred to Irish, Italian, Spanish, Welsh, Scottish, or any other group..at least as far as I know. White can be anything. pretty meaningless. There were no black or asian germans.. So a bit redundant in stating it. Most English are protestant, Presbyterian (people sometimes confuse anglican catholic as being roman catholic, although there are now more links..they still have divides and are referred to protestant presbyterian in the UK). While it could be an insult, the amount that are roman catholic or other is pretty miniscule and since we are talking a specific subsection of GB ethnic groups..none of the other religions other than atheist or pagan apply.
@AghastinFL Nothing but agreement there. Obama's a jackass and he keeps popping into these local issues. It would be one thing if it was school shooter or some really heinous killing sort of deal. A couple of guys winding up in a situation and one getting shot. That used to be a daily DC affair years ago when I lived at that way. Never a peep from a president on that.
@AghastinFL Cool, he definitely gives it a lot of thought.
@AghastinFL absolutely. My point was...it was darn small and he's not a coroner. i don't notice stuff like that on me, and there is no guarantee someone not trained in looking for it would see it. He said his opinion, and it should be taken as that. His opinion is not going into the case. Lots of people have injected opinions into the discussion. Most of the article written here, is opinion. The race baiting about hispanic and not white (still amazed that the author never ever met a hispanic to know they can be white). The diagrams showing how GZ must have gone a specific way so the timelines add up to his advantage. yeah. it's all opinion.
@AghastinFL I don't think any parent would want to believe that. All those crazy kids that shoot up schools to settle scores. I'm pretty sure their parents don't really believe it was their kid. not at first. It can apply to TM's parents and GZ's parents.
@AghastinFL just as a point of view. Most conservatives claim a belief in personal responsibility and most actively approve of violent kids being sentenced as adults. Kind of weird to see one using that same argument as an attack on a supposedly crazy prosecutor. Would be interesting to see if that means Republicans are looking to repeal those laws iin states around the U.S.
The article slams her for not being more sympathetic to the mom and 12yr child that beat his 5yr old step brother to death. Not only did he kill him, but he's alleged to have sexually abused him. With no interdiction of the mom. While I feel for her being let down by the system, agreeing with the fact that the system has a responsibility to correctly raise people..is kind of opposite to most of the peoples discussion here.
@AghastinFL exactly the point. It's the watermelon crowd. If the juice don't fit, you can't convict.
It's an argument that has no bearing on anything, but suddenly becomes proof of GZs innocence. He could just as easily mix drugs with iced tea (but since an article on lean said juice)..it has to be juice to prove he was doped up. Then since he's doped up, he is a thug assaulting a white guy. Since thugs are obviously racist. No tweet shows that he picked white guys out for beatings, or that he delivered beatings. Or the fact that people doped up enough to "lean" have a heck of a time jumping people and beating them senseless...heck they are probably a ways from being conscious themselves. Each personal opinion injected by the watermelon crowd build upon another. Even when they contradict each other..they are still used as supporting arguments.
@AghastinFL a 1/4 by 1/8 inch abrasion. not five or six...one injury. considering the size and location, he was correct in saying that did not appear to have any evidence of a fight. Take a ruler and draw in a box that size on your finger. I happen to have one from a scrape on sheet metal. It's small, real small. Mine is probably bigger than his and I still took a day to notice it.
Real interesting thing. TM in the videos looked right handed. The injury was to his left hand. Unless he's incredibly ambidextrous, most people prefer their stronger side. Especially in a position where they are so overwhelmingly powerful, the other guy doesn't even get off a hit.
People do get into fights without injuring their hands at all. By staking a claim to the injury as proof, it also implies that if the injury is insufficient..then no fight occurred. That's the problem with taking a random item and making it proof of a whole lot of other stuff happening.
@Redbrow @deanno no. the zimmerman group. There was a big fuss on how Arizona watermelon vs. Arizona iced tea proved that TM's supporters must have been lying.
@Andybinga @Rowwdy @mattstate sure it would have. Everyone here talks about him being hispanic (and only hispanic), so the breitbart type sites would be screaming hispanics are out to get white folks. Conveniently ignore the fact that most people that identify themselves as hispanic are white (hispanic isn't a race as WASPs tend to forget).. screeching about another race war looming.