32 year old Whovian. A passionate, dedicated over-thinker in her spare time, of which she has little.
@#SaveConstantine btw, you know that the showrunner of Constantine confirmed that the show isn't cancelled, right?
3 hours, 47 minutes ago on Tate: Donna Return Unlikely
@The Finn Pretty much what I was going to say. ^^
I also have my issues with DiH, but for Dark Water's sake, and because I don't really believe in splitting stories, I'll let it slide in this particular discussion.
4 hours ago on Doctor Who: Fifty-One Favourites (Part 1)
@Typo42 A Gent of Clare @YaelMoise @Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet How exactly is my dislike of something on the show spoiling someone else's enjoyment of the show? I like... let's see... Robot of Sherwood. Does it bother me in the least bit that about 90% of the people on this website say it sucked? No. Does it affect my enjoyment of the episode? No. Does it affect me in any way what so ever? No. Do I have to reply when I see someone talking about it? No. Is someone saying it sucked an opinion? Yes. Is my view of it an opinion? Yes.
Having an opinion outside the norm does not mean that you automatically need to defend yourself. It just means that people around you are more tested when they read your view as to whether they can stomach someone feeling differently to them. That's all.
1 day ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@supermoff @PaddyB: Founding Father of R.O.S.E. @#SaveConstantine @SANTA-ran17 I don't do hailing.
1 day, 6 hours ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet Except that the only reason for someone to say "I don't like Clara" when what they feel is "Clara sucks, she's ruining the show!!!" is fear of retribution.
Furthermore, the strength of the statement "Clara sucks, she's ruining the show!" is no different to that of "I love Clara, she's awesome". The only difference is that the latter is mainstream here, and therefore can be expressed as strongly and as loudly as one would wish to express it without being challenged, while the former is not mainstream and will probably get challenged.
If we went by the measurement of "strength", then people wouldn't be allowed to say "I love Clara, she's awesome" either. They would only be allowed to say "I like Clara".
I'm pretty sure most Clara-fans here wouldn't like that, but try and step away from that for a moment and see that there's really no difference between it and how the people who hate her feel. If their view was the mainstream one, there would be no limitation suggested on their "strength of statement". Their sole crime isn't how emotional or strong they're being, but simply that they are offering an unpopular opinion, which, unfortunately, means "Valid target!" to some people.
People expressing unpopular opinions don't need to constantly put checks on their emotions, unless they feel inclined to attack their fellow fan.
It's sad that even an article writer, the other day, had to pin a disclaimer to his article, pre-imagining the attacks he'll be facing after the article goes online.
Really... strength or no strength, emotion or otherwise, people need to get a grip on their urge to eviscerate anyone who feels differently about the show than they do. And that doesn't begin with the unpopular view holders "toning it down".
It starts with all of us controlling our own selves and learning to accept.
I would never have put 1, 2, and 3 that far down. Come on, people... Jackie and Pete getting back together? "I did my bit for Queen and Country"? The Anne-Droid? 9th Doctor's absolutely brilliantly understated regeneration speech - Sad, ominous, hopeful, practically the acting equivalent of sweet and sour sauce? Uh... just about anything and everything about the Utopia trilogy?
I suppose there's no accounting for taste.
1 day, 7 hours ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@91 Queen of Evil @Clara Bosswald *sighs and goes to once again pay the rent on the pitchforks and torches, since it appears they'll still be needed*
@Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet *sigh* I really need to switch this laptop off. Good night. Here's hoping I manage to get out of here without seeing anything else that needs replying to...
1 day, 16 hours ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet Uh... no.
"Clara is awesome everyone who doesn't agree is an idiot" attacks the fans.
"Clara sucks she's ruining the show!" attack the character.
The former demands a reply - since it attacks people on the website. The latter is simply an opinion, no different from "I don't like Clara" or "I love Clara she's awesome".
@LGwalchmai95 @TheNightmareChild @SANTA-ran17 And on that delightful note... especially since I'm so tired, I actually to think about Oswin to figure out her reference (Nina!)... I'm off to bed. Thank you, DWTV for yet another excellent bout of mental fencing with worthy adversaries.
@SANTA-ran17 Well, that there are certain things that are accepted at face value and therefore don't need "defending", while others do. And that these are not objective in nature, but are entirely a matter of fashion.
And that from my point of view, having your likes or dislikes deemed "needs defending" doesn't mean that you automatically need to defend your point of view... or that your point of view is automatically invalid or hypocritical or any number of other adjectives, if you don't go about defending it.
Some people comment as a way of expression. Whether that expression is one of love for Clara (heaven knows we get SO many of those), or an expression of displeasure with something on the show, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are out for a debate. And to assume that they are out for a debate, and that, therefore, if they don't defend themselves, they are somehow letting their end down, is to look at this completely the wrong way.
Like LGwalchmai said, some people just want to let you know how they feel and aren't inclined to invest as much time and effort as I do in letting you know WHY they feel the way they feel.
That doesn't invalidate their opinion or warrant the above chain of comments.
@SANTA-ran17 So long as they diverge from the "party line" of the fan mainstream, certainly. I suppose that's the rule for everything in this world isn't it.
@SANTA-ran17 It's not that much different to "I love Clara, she's awesome!!!". Just like LGwalchmai said. There's no substance to it... but it's acceptable to you.
@supermoff @#SaveConstantine @SANTA-ran17 Except that it didn't feel like it. Maybe it's because we didn't have a frame of reference at the time. I mean, it was a new Doctor. He was enigmatic and strange, we didn't really get to know him at all, and a lot of the focus WAS on Rose... but we didn't know that we COULD get to know him, so I guess it didn't feel as strange or wrong.
After 10th and 11th, though, it's difficult to say "Ah, well... let's not look at the Doctor... almost at all, and make the show about his companion." Not after we've gotten used to the show being mostly about him.
For me, it genuinely feels like they're taking something from me. And the more I catch a glimpse of 12th, the more I resent it. He's marvelous... and instead of him, I get more of HER.
Yes, I'll admit wholeheartedly that she is a part of the problem for me, that I wouldn't suffer as much if I didn't dislike her so much... but I don't think she's the WHOLE of the problem. River herself would get a litany of woes out of me if she was doing as good a job of eclipsing the Doctor as Clara is.
So, I'm sorry, but even with Rose as a precedent, and even with my admited dislike for Clara, it's the situation that bothers me.
I'd like a bigger focus on the Doctor. He's too good to miss.
@supermoff *does a little happy dance in appreciation of the unexpected numberfest*
1 day, 17 hours ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@SANTA-ran17 *coughs politely at the endless and rather insulting generalizations*
@The Lazy Cat Has Stowed Away on the TARDIS I'm not so concerned about the dressing gown as I am about what's on her feet.
Studies have shown a serious connection between that exact type of slippers and a large variety of household accidents, many of them fatal.
Considering the amount of running involved in a given Doctor Who episode, and the rumours of Clara's demise, we may be looking at the murder weapon right there in the promo shot.
2 days, 4 hours ago on “Last Christmas” Promo Art
Yes, yes, very pretty.
However, you'll forgive me if I say that I really do miss the RTD-style Christmas specials, which were only tangentially Christmassy rather than inherently Christmassy.
I prefer my Doctor Who Christmas special to be "Doctor Who with a sprinkling of Christmas" rather than "Christmas with a sprinkling of Doctor Who".
@Ottoman14 @ClaraOswald Ahh... but there's the problem, you see. Not everyone's first Doctor was the one who got them permanently hooked to the show. I agree wholeheartedly that you never forget your first Doctor, but he wasn't necessarily the one that got you hooked.
2 days, 23 hours ago on From 1-12: Who is YOUR Doctor?
@ilyootha @The Finn @Clara Prefect I'm with you on that, Ilyootha. As far as I'm concerned, companies that go out of their way to stop you buying things from them are pretty much complicit in whatever pirating their actions cause. Still, if he can buy it (which is implied by his dilemma), then that's something else.
4 days, 1 hour ago on 50th Anniversary Collector’s Edition Review (Part 1)
@The Finn @Clara Prefect Not to mention the fact that it's going against your own interests as a fan. By burning it instead of buying it, you're basically withholding funds from a show you'd like to see make money, succeed, and expand.
Pardon me, but sc%%w Pokemon. Buy the set.
4 days, 3 hours ago on 50th Anniversary Collector’s Edition Review (Part 1)
@Clara Prefect Sherlock season 4 date soon to be announced?
That's mean. You're mean. Probably spot on, but MEAN...
4 days, 11 hours ago on Doctor Who’s 51st Anniversary
Can you imagine the sheer unadulterated fan-joy Capaldi must feel if he sees that picture up there? Him and the first Doctor in one shot?
Happy anniversary, Doctor Who. :)
4 days, 12 hours ago on Doctor Who’s 51st Anniversary
@Planet of the Deaf Perkins, please.
4 days, 17 hours ago on Jenny: A Future Companion
@91 Queen of Evil I think it's just that there's no better word for it. It's not a good word for how people feel about things they don't like about the show, but there's really no alternative that I can think of.
I mean, "dislike"? Weak.
So, I guess the idea is that it's better to use a strong term that more than overlaps how you feel than to use a mild term that doesn't begin to cover it.
Excess may be... excessive... but at least it doesn't leave you unsatisfied, which is how we'd feel with a milder term.
4 days, 21 hours ago on Jenny: A Future Companion
@DaftDalek is Robocop, the original one @YaelMoise Decided to try that. Have spent the past couple of hours hammering it down t 1500 words... hopefully it still makes a modicum of sense, but I'm not optimistic.
4 days, 21 hours ago on Unpopular Opinion: Missy the Master
Yes. Please. Make it so.
That said... there are "Jenny haters"? Jeez, I learn about new haters all the time, here. Didn't know there were "Rose haters" till I got here and now there are Jenny ones?
What's to hate about Jenny???
@supermoff @YaelMoise @Romanadvoratrelundar is looking for Gallifrey @Planet of the Deaf Ah... I see what you mean. Thank you :) I'm not sure how that explains why people would say she was underdeveloped in 7B, though... but I won't pester you.
Thank you for the clarification, and sorry for the bother.
5 days ago on A Hint on Jenna Coleman’s Future?
@NotsoSmartguy @The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live Ours generally just stands at the porch door (she lives in our closed off porch) and meows till we do it for her.
@The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live @LGwalchmai95 "The plural of the vulgar term for feces"
@Romanadvoratrelundar is looking for Gallifrey @supermoff @YaelMoise @Planet of the Deaf Supermoff - That wasn't a rhetorical "I'm not sure what you mean". I really don't understand your comment and I would love a clarification, if you don't mind.
@The Finn @The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live @YaelMoise @Planet of the Deaf She manipulates others into typing for her. She's a cat, after all. It's what they do.
@supermoff @YaelMoise @Planet of the Deaf Ok, fair enough... then we're down to "I'm not sure what you mean". :P
@supermoff @YaelMoise @Planet of the Deaf Not sure what you mean... or even who you're talking to. *confused*
@The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live @YaelMoise @Planet of the Deaf Shouldn't you be in bed?
@Planet of the Deaf @YaelMoise I still don't get the "she was a mystery" thing. We saw her parents meet. We heard about her friend. We saw her family as well as "her family". How was that less fleshed out then, say... Martha?
@NotsoSmartguy I suppose you're right. :(
@Planet of the Deaf @YaelMoise 1) Why would a new companion automatically be a "her"?
2) I don't see "fleshing out her backstory and character" to be the equivalent of "the spotlight will move to her". One can flesh out a companion's backstory and character without making him or her the main focus of the show. It's been done before on numerous occasions.
3) I don't see how adding someone new to look at, in addition to Clara, would automatically help move the spotlight to the Doctor. If anything, I would see the new companion as taking up what little screen time there is with the Doctor, once Clara's had her go.
Unless you're suggesting that we downplay Clara AND add a new companion, which wouldn't make the problem worse... but would also not fix it, since what I care about isn't the focus on Clara as it is the lack of focus on the Doctor.
In other words... I want her gone as a concept, not necessarily as a person. I want her gone as "the companion that's been everywhere and done everything is SO meaningful to the Doctor that everything revolves around her with very little chance of it revolving around him". I want a new start because I want time with the Doctor and I believe getting her out of the way might actually do that.
Mind you, the production team might decide to elevate the next companion to godhood on the same scale, too, so getting rid of her wouldn't solve anything.
In any case, I just want more of the Doctor. I don't honestly care how it's done. I just want it done. I want the imbalance removed.
@Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet Ok... First of all, I think him calling her a man is simply based on his understanding of regeneration... which is an alien process and cannot be entirely equated to the process that leads to non-cisgendered individuals without proper definition.
Proper definition which has yet to be given.
Since that is the case, I would hold off on labeling him anything, to be honest.
The way I see it, the Master was a male and was identified as a male when he was one, and is now a female and identifies as one, too, NOW.
It's similar, in my mind, to the Trill situation in Star Trek, where the future joined Trill remembers being another gender, but that does not affect their current identification. At best, it helps them understand the other side better, but it doesn't affect them otherwise.
However, me seeing it like that is just my understanding of it, it's not based on any received data offered in the show.
He apparently didn't understand it that way and is therefore bothered by it. It's an issue of interpretation, I feel, and not much beyond it.
Secondly, I also wouldn't use that to call him transphobic because... the Master isn't a transgender. She's a Gallifreyian. Having issues with this change does not mean that he's got issues with transgender people out in the RL. So, really, there's no call for it.
And finally, he said that he would equally dislike a female character becoming male. So, it's not like his issue was with the Master specifically being a female. He simply said he dislikes the change... which, according to you, is not wrong.
Though, personally, I would like to hear how it would not be wrong, by your definition, because it appears to me that not liking any bit of this would immediately label one something or other.
Don't like the change of gender? Transphobe. Don't like that the Master is now a woman? Sexist. (Personally, I'd have gone for misogynist, btw). What exactly, then, is left to "not be wrong" about
5 days, 1 hour ago on Unpopular Opinion: Missy the Master
I honestly don't know if I want her to stay or go. On the one hand, I am 100% a Clara-Who complainer. I think she's stealing my time with the Doctor and contributing to the number of people who dislike the new Doctor based solely, I feel, on their not having gotten a good look at him... because the spotlight's nearly always on her.
However, on the other hand, I found her ending to be utterly unsatisfying.
Perhaps a compromise could be reached... I'd be happy for her to get a spin-off. That would serve both to develop her further AND get the Doctor out of her shadow.
5 days, 2 hours ago on A Hint on Jenna Coleman’s Future?
@LGwalchmai95 @YaelMoise I agree wholeheartedly.
@Romanadvoratrelundar is looking for Gallifrey @YaelMoise @LGwalchmai95 There is, like gunslinger19 said, something called a happy medium. What you propose is the opposite end of the spectrum and is just as bad.
It is also something of an unwarranted reductio ad absurdum.
@LGwalchmai95 Which sums up one of the main points against Clara... but let's not get into that one. :P
@NotsoSmartguy @YaelMoise @Grotnes @Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet No, I think it's about people not wanting a change that would go beyond what they are willing to accept as "Doctor Who".
If Doctor Who started taking on all the characteristics of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and the elements of it that were Doctor Who-like were faded out over time, the end result wouldn't be Doctor Who, it would be something more like Star Trek: The Next Generation.
My boss once told me that a religion is like an elastic band, that it can stretch to encompass a certain amount of variations of practice and belief, but that there are instances where it snaps, where a belief or a practice just aren't within the scope of what is acceptable for it to still be encompassed in that religion. At that point, a new religion is born.
For some people, this is like the snapping of that rubber band. This move would make it... not Doctor Who for them.
I don't think that it's because it hasn't been explored yet, or because they are transphobic or misogynistic or anything like that, I think it's just that they can't stretch that far... or simply don't want to, which is well within their right. There's no rule that says you need to accept everything that's done in your favorite show.
I've always been a big proponent of the view that Doctor Who is about change and that therefore anything can be forgiven in the long run, and all you need to do is wait... but I suppose some things ARE beyond the pale and can't be fixed with time. So, really, I do understand people saying "thus far and no farther" sometimes.
As for me, I like Missy and I accept her as the Master, but I'm worried that this opens the door for a female Doctor, which is where my personal rubber band would be strained to the breaking point if not beyond. Also, I just think that, in addition to the above... it would be pretty boring. You'd have the first flush of "Oh, no, I'm a girl!" and then you'd either have him accepting it... in which case it would be a footnote... or he'd not accept it... in which case it would be troubling from a RL point of view.
All in all, I don't think it would be half as exciting and interesting as people who are all for it seem to think it would be.
5 days, 2 hours ago on Unpopular Opinion: Missy the Master
@The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live My thoughts exactly.
5 days, 3 hours ago on A Hint on Jenna Coleman’s Future?
@The Finn @Romanadvoratrelundar is looking for Gallifrey @YaelMoise @supermoff I don't know... a family, yes, but she was also working to restore a broken Earth after the Daleks were kicked out. That's not exactly picket fences and a 9-to-5.
@NotsoSmartguy @Grotnes @Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet I think it's hard to call.
Mostly because people who speak out against it run the risk of being branded transphobic or chauvinistic or any number of other epitaphs which may or may not be apt but which would, apt or otherwise, definitely deter them from saying anything.
5 days, 3 hours ago on Unpopular Opinion: Missy the Master
@supermoff I don't. I never liked the idea of non-gallifreyians being able to become Time Lords.
@supermoff Not being able to return to a normal life... yeah, but how do you define "normal"? Was SJS's life normal after School Reunion? No, it wasn't. Was it outside the Tardis and the main show? For the most part, yes.
@The Lazy Cat's Soufflé Was too Beautiful to Live I don't know... people can break addictions. They can realise that they're not good for them and walk off. She almost did that a few times already.