YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over
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@Planet of the Deaf It's nice to see you're back. Your absence was felt.
18 hours ago on Your Verdict on Mummy & Episode Ranking
@ilyootha, a proud member of C.L.A.R.A. We hate the AI score because our numbers don't mean the same as them. It's the same as someone saying "It was a horrible, terrible, horrendous episode!". Out there in the big old world, it means... well, exactly what it says. In here, though, it comes with the unspoken addendum explaining that... "it was only horrible compared to the show in general"... or that "it's horrible but does not reflect on the show"... or any number of relatively positive mitigating comments that you wouldn't get from a non-Whovian. We allow ourselves the freedom to rank something poorly because it goes without saying that we still loved it for being Doctor Who, and that if we were asked to rank it outside the confines of the community, it would still rank higher than most other things. Consequently, a score below 8 here does not mean the same as a score below 8 outside. Sometimes a score below 8 here can actually be a higher score than one outside.
18 hours, 32 minutes ago on Your Verdict on Mummy & Episode Ranking
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. Thank you so much! No offense to DWTV, but your post's more interesting than the article it's attached to.
(Clarification: Because this is really interesting, and not because the above article is boring.)
18 hours, 56 minutes ago on Your Verdict on Mummy & Episode Ranking
@The Finn @Joseph Graham @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Isn't nearly all of NuWho filmed in Wales, though? You would think they could choose something else, then.
19 hours, 2 minutes ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
@chocker That actually explains some of the choices. The Five Doctors was filmed in Wales, The Unquiet Dead is set in Wales.
21 hours, 43 minutes ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. I know! Me neither!!!
*bursts into tears*
21 hours, 45 minutes ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
"Hmmmm... TDtWatW... Sontaran Stratagem... Who picked these??"
"THE FIVE DOCTORS????"
*goes to look for tickets to the UK*
21 hours, 47 minutes ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
@floppy_who @BazHood @BJAMES As the proud owner of two screwdrivers, one 4th Doctor hat, and one 4th Doctor scarf, all authorized, not to mention the DVDs, the comic books, handful of e-books (paid for), and a growing addiction to audios... I think you might be right there, floppy.
1 day, 1 hour ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@joelharris199892 @Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live... @SIDRAT To paraphase Jessica Rabbit, they're not terrible, they're just written that way.
1 day, 3 hours ago on Next Time: In the Forest of the Night
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. Yeah, I can't believe the "Thing" scene didn't make this list!
1 day, 19 hours ago on 12 Great Moments From Flatline
@Clara Laurinda I'm not being rhetorical... I really would love to hear what you mean by that...
1 day, 19 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@Antee991166 Still too early for me, I'm afraid. I'll let you know when I know.
1 day, 21 hours ago on Flatline Review
@Ottoman14 Thing is... Moffat amd RTD had experience AS showrunners, or at least producers. Mathieson is an excellent writer, but there's more to show-running than that.
1 day, 22 hours ago on Doctor Who Extra: Flatline
@Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live... @tomblack93 "Oh, no, of course. You mostly went hands-free, didn't you? Like 'Hey, I'm the Doctor. I can save the universe using a kettle and some string, and look at me, I'm wearing a vegetable!'"
Not ALL the Doctors. ;)
1 day, 22 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@Alleigh Actually, I suspect they'd have ended up killing each other...
1 day, 23 hours ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@Cedara @Clara Who would make a good Doctor! "That's OLD magic!" ;)
2 days ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around Wow, that's flattering. I hold your opinion very highly, and very often stop and read your comments, too. And I always have a good time at it, because agree or disagree, I can't fault your intelligence or inimitable skill with words. So, really, that's very flattering. :)
@Angie Whodini has Ravio's bracelet Yes, you're quite right. It was an unfortunate choice of words because there IS that suggestion about them. Best to be clear and unambiguous, I always say. But it IS a possible meaning of what he said, and as you can see, even he says that's what he meant.
2 days ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @dewyjns I appreciate the sentiment, but there's no need for that frown. :)
It was a wonderfully original concept, even if it did taper off into the mundane at some point, and over-all the episode was not devoid of redeeming moments. Not in the least bit, no.
It showed promise, and considering it was followed, from a real world point of view, by Mummy on the Orient Express, I would say that promise was fulfilled in every way. I really look forward to seeing more from this writer, which more than I can say about other disappointing episodes I've seen in the past. In that respect, I think we can say I'm happy enough.
And as to Clara Who... well, I did say that this is Doctor Who, and Doctor Who is about change. I'm willing to wait. He's worth it.
@Ottoman14 @tom colman Um... I think all he meant was that it's a fact that SOME people don't like him.
That IS a fact, not a matter of opinion.
Him being one means that it's a fact, because he exists (really trying to not do the 6th Doctor's tenses speech from The Two Doctors...).
It has nothing to do with the question of whether people watch the show more now or not, but just whether there ARE people who dislike him.
There are. So it's a fact.
2 days, 1 hour ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @dewyjns I agree that Time Heist and Into the Dalek were not Clara-centric in the least... but they were not Doctor-centric either. He was never truly free of her to such an extent that it allowed him to stand alone and out of her shadow. It's a fine line, I admit. A VERY fine margin, but it is there. Not as pronounced as it would be between Mummy and, say, this week's episode, but it's still there. There aren't quite as many scenes with her somewhere else entirely and him interacting with the world, without her.
As to Deep Breath... I couldn't disagree more. The episode's main focus was Clara's emotional journey. She was serving as a proxy for the "Oh, no! Where's Matt! Who's this old guy???" crowd, which is understandable, but it did mean that it was about her, and not about him. We barely got to see what he was like. It was a nibble at best, and quite a few people walked away from that episode justifiably saying that they have yet to feel like he's the Doctor. The reason for that was that he was almost entirely out of focus while we dealt with Clara.
Is perception a factor here? Definitely. Everything in the universe is tainted by perception. But I'm not so sure it has that much of a bearing in this case. I really do think that MotOE was the first episode where the Doctor truly came close to standing alone and in focus. Something you can't say about any other episode in the series, before or since, unfortunately.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @tom colman Um... no, I'm afraid not. That part was even worse for me, because it felt completely wrong. He had no right to give that speech because HE didn't defeat them. She did. It's a bit like Q marching off to stage center and telling off Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Q didn't defeat him, for all the gadgets and guidance. It was the agent on the ground that did it. Same here. Clara defeated those monsters, not the Doctor. That speech, the sheer dissonance of it at the end of a Clara-centric episode, served to further highlight how Doctor-lite the episode truly was, rather than balance it up.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @dewyjns I'd have been very inclined to agree with you... before I watched Mummy on the Orient Express. That episode allowed me to see the Doctor for the first time, fully in the limelight. It wasn't a companion lite episode, like Midnight, but it... was with HIM in the limelight.
It highlighted for me the fact that he wasn't in focus at all up until that point. It's all very well and good to give a brilliant performance as "Dead extra #3" off on stage left, but it's another thing entirely to do it up front, as the leading man. I would like to see more of the latter. Now that I've seen what it's like, I resent the lack of it even more.
And it isn't a function of my perception... it's a function of the sheer contrast offered by MotOE, and the reality it exposed.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @tom colman True, but it's hardly focus on him and access that allows him to shine, which somewhat proves my point, I think.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @dewyjns I try not to look at other websites. They tend to skew the image. And, "I loved her" doesn't mean "and I think the amount of time and focus she's given is just right". Like I said in my reply to your article, I don't think Clara-Who is necessarily a function of liking her or disliking her.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @tom colman As a sidekick. That's not the same thing as having the spotlight on him.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @dewyjns Not so sure about that. An over-abundance of positive comments does not necessarily mean a change of hear. I've yet to see a Clara-Who-er who said "This episode changed my mind! Keep her around!".
@tom colman You can't warm to him because you barely get to see him. I can't say I blame you. All I can say is "give it time". Hopefully, the problem will be solved.
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @dewyjns I don't know if it's a pity that the Clara Who crowd didn't watch.
Considering I only had a mild case of "Clara Who" before I watched this week's episode, I think the Clara Who crowd not watching might actually have been a good idea, because this episode just made me want to see her leave. Right now. I'm sure it would have alienated people with a less mild case even more than it did me.
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around @TheNightmareChild @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Well, in my case, it was never a difficult proposition, neither the grade nor the lights question, but I can definitely see why people would struggle with it. It did ask questions that were much more serious and complicated than usual.
2 days, 2 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. Ummm... I'm in the humanities, and I would have loved it. Actually, I felt the lack of it myself when watching the episode. I REALLY wanted more of that.
Mind you, though, most of what I like bores most people. So, I guess I don't count. lol
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around @TheNightmareChild @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Except that there was a similar comment-growth-rate on Kill the Moon, despite the controversy.
@TheNightmareChild @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Hmmm... that might be it. The previous episode didn't have much by way of Missy and that had a similar number of comments, too. Yes, you're probably right.
Interesting... Last week's episode at this point was at about 600 comments. Wonder why people are talking about this more.
@Clara Who would make a good Doctor! I quite liked "Killer graffiti".
@Raven564 I never really thought of it like that, but I suppose I do too. I'm willing to suspend that on occasion, in the interest of a good story, but I guess he really is why I'm here, most of all.
Alright, let us begin...
I disagree wholeheartedly that it was the lack of characterization in series 7B that makes series 8 stand out as characterization heavy. It requires, in order to be right, that those of us in the Clara Who crowd would have felt like she was underused in series 7B, which, I assure you, isn't the case for most of us.
I, for one, was never in the "There's not enough characterization or focus on Clara" crowd during series 7B. I said she was a self-centered, self-important, bossy *word you disapprove of me using about her* back then, and I am being proven right these days, too.
For me, there's no cold glass. Just a warm one... and a piping hot one that's scolding my fingers.
Next, there's the question of "Doctor's point of view" instead of "Digestion of the Doctor". Now, there, I agree with you. We didn't really experience the Doctor through her, but more her through the Doctor. And, yes, the role is now reversed... but, her assuming the natural station of a companion (from that point of view, not from every point of view) NOW doesn't mean it's ok. It's a bit like a romantic relationship - Things need to build in a certain order or there's a good chance that they'll not work out. This isn't the right order and it feels wrong for it.
Your next point, sadly... is one I agree with. But I'll address that in the end, since it's sort of my conclusion.
As to "All companions save him"... yes, they do, to some extent, but it's a question of magnitude and a question of distinction. First of all "saved him from loneliness" isn't really on par with "saved his life in countless points throughout his existence, including his very origin, topped off with being the woman who set him on the course to being a hero... twice". Secondly, distinction is a major point. Here, I think the tipping off point was Listen. It's one thing to set him on his course in the Tardis, but it's quite another to do that AND shape his persona as a hero, when he was a child. Being the woman who suggested that Tardis, even if it clashes with received lore (She was unlocked!), is cute. Being the woman who did that AND helped him overcome his fears and set him on the path to being the Doctor? Too much.
How can I make this clearer... um... It's the difference between a named item and a generic one. She was there "at the beginning". She was there at a nexus in the Doctor's history that's more important than even "she saved his life countless times". And she did that... twice. Put that on top of "she saved his life countless times" (which you COULD argue a companion does as par for the course, and you'd be right), and you get too much.
I'll leave aside the "Clara saves the day" thing because you're right. I don't see where people get that impression. It usually isn't her. It WAS in this week's episode, and I REALLY hated it, but it generally isn't. I disagree with your analysis of Flatline (New found independence? NEW FOUND? LMAO!!!), but that's something for another thread.
The Danny thing... here, I once again disagree. They were "two kids she babysat", but it was still quite a bit of info. Her friend died, she stepped in, her mom, her history. I never felt that she was short-changed on the background front. They were intriguing tidbits that suggested more, true, but they were hardly starvation. And, annoyingly enough, NONE of them paid off in series 8. It's as if she suddenly has a whole new background. She's a teacher, even though that wasn't so much as hinted at, there's no mention of her mom, she's stopped making souffles, we never hear about the Maitland brats. It's not so much that they gave us nothing and are now giving us something. Its that they gave us something and are now giving us something else entirely. And that something else entirely... is getting one hell of a focus. I do agree that watching her run around, trying to maintain her life while spending time with the Doctor is fun (mostly because it smells of self-destruction and I can't wait to see her explode and Tegan off), but other than that... I don't think they've done her personal life right at all. There's no progression between 7B and 8... and quite frankly it feels artificial as well as shoved down my throat, which makes it being shoved down my throat all that much worse.
Now... as to the matter of the Doctor's alien nature being the reason for this unbalanced over-emphasis on Clara... I think that's absolutely right. Not because alieness requires a lack of focus. Like I said elsewhere, 7 was alien, but it wasn't the Ace/Mel Show at any point during his tenure. And 6 was unpleasant, but it was not the Peri/Mel show at any point during HIS tenure either. But, then again, 6 was severely disliked during his TV tenure (unjustifiably, if you ask me), and 7... well... I strongly suspect that this Clara Who business is specifically in order to avoid any of the unfortunate happenings that surrounded the tenures of 6 and 7. They're focusing on the Clara in order to stop us focusing on the Doctor, so he could be as unpleasant as they (and I) would like him to be, without incurring any extreme response from the "The Doctor should be a nice puppy" crowd. They've already lost their confidence by casting an older man, after all. Fully exposing them to him, snarl and all, might just be enough to totally lose them.
Which is unfortunate beyond words, because this Doctor is magnificent. And he is wasted in the shadows of one Clara Oswald. And when she leaves, as she surely will, we'll be stuck with either a modified, mellowed Doctor, or the same risk we had when he first arrived of losing the "Doctor puppy" crowd, because I honestly don't think they'll have bonded with him enough by then to let him be as big of an a$$hole as 10 was in series 4.5 and let him get away with it. It's the worst of both worlds - No real exposure to the Doctor when he's like this, and either no exposure to him like this later, or the same trouble exposure to him NOW would have brought, just later on.
All in all... it's a terrible waste, and a shame. And THAT is where my feeling of "Clara Who" really stem. My dislike for her, which has yo-yoed over the course of the past couple of years, is actually secondary at this point to the fact that I just REALLY miss the Doctor. That seeing him in Mummy made me realise how much we were NOT getting because of the focus on Clara. I don't mind her. Let the woman have a spin-off. I might actually watch it. But, for heaven's sake, give us more of the Doctor and less of this woman. Enough is enough. It does say Doctor Who on the door. Mean it. Don't just say it.
2 days, 2 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@Clara Laurinda @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Ok, that's an interesting comment... What do you mean by "the writing of her character"? Do you not like that they've expanded on her characterization? Or is it the (supposedly) new character flaws that you mind?
2 days, 3 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@HyperBoy Prime @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Which is all well and good in a series like series 3, where there was no shortage of focus on the Doctor, or a series like series 4, where he was already an "old" Doctor AND there was no shortage of focus on him (Hell, series 4 had a companion lite episode, like Midnight. Plenty of focus on the Doctor, even if I didn't like the episode). But in a series that's been mostly about Clara? A Doctor lite episode in a series like that isn't just a Doctor lite episode. It's a step too far.
@sontaran17 @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Doctor-Scant, more like, and in a Doctor-Lite series. I'm sorry, but I genuinely feel as if the only genuinely NOT Doctor-Lite episode in the whole series was Mummy.
Further down the page someone (who rather disturbingly referred to Capaldi as "that old guy", but we'll leave that aside) said that he doesn't really see why people say that Capaldi is a great actor. In all honesty, I can't say I blame him (or her)... because we've barely seen him! This Doctor has been kept in the shadow of one Clara Oswald since nearly the moment he arrived.
My issue with Clara these days, isn't so much that she's horrible and I'd like to see her gone. It's that I miss the Doctor, she's in the bloody way all the time, and I'd like to see HIM instead. I don't entirely MIND "Clara Who". By all means, give the woman a spin-off. I might actually watch it. But, for the love of Who, get her the hell off of this show and give us the Doctor instead.
Ok, the bus thing is utterly bizarre. Can't wait to find out what that's about! ^^
2 days, 10 hours ago on Next Time: In the Forest of the Night
@ClaireAbraham @supermoff agent of C.L.A.R.A. Pretty much how I felt, too.
2 days, 11 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@Malohkeh He's got a point.
@Malohkeh Likewise. :) I sincerely hope they engage him as a writer in series 9.
I went and looked up his previous work and found to my great delight that he's also responsible for one of my favorite episodes in the short-lived Dirk Gently series. Going to try and track down his "FAQ about time travel" movie.
One tiny question - Was it just me, or was the Doctor's hair much shorter in some scenes than it was in others? What's up with that?
Oh, and if anyone could tell me what that horrible man was saying when he grabbed the Tardis, that would be greatly appreciated. I have NO idea why he did that, because I couldn't make it out. Clarification would be appreciated.
Original and innovative doesn't even begin to cover it. When I saw that couch go, I was just in awe. However... it really tapered off. Once the creatures gained the ability to turn 3D, it just got really conventional really quickly. And the ending... I felt the ending, specifically the victory, was wrong. It actually felt wrong to see the Doctor give his "it is protected" speech, when, quite frankly, he didn't do a blasted thing for it. She did. If anyone should have given that speech, it should have been her. Him saying it... just seemed... silly.
Which, I'm sorry to say, puts me squarely in the "It's Clara Who now, isn't it" camp in way I never was before.
I'm sorry boys and girls, but the Doctor in this episode was an impotent, useless... sidekick!
Yes, I'm in this for 3D characters (no pun intended), and I'm very happy to see companions stretch their wings and fly, even companions I detest, but this is pushing it beyond breaking point.
I'd say it felt like a guest appearance by the Doctor on the Clara Show, but honestly, the Doctor's appearances on SJA had more substance in it for him than this had.
The honeymoon is definitely over, as far as I'm concerned. I can't wait for this horrible mistake of a companion to go the way of Mel and... hmmm... no, I can't think of another companion I detested this much. Mel it'll have to be.
6/10, but only because I'd be insane to rate something a original as killer 2D monsters lower than "above average".
That said - bring him back. This man needs to write as often as possible for the show.
A good article as usual, Connor. But as is so often the case... I disagree with most of it. lol
That said... miles to go before I sleep. I'll circle back to this article after the papers are done and dusted.
3 days, 18 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
Honestly? And THAT's the shirt you're going for on the cover??
3 days, 23 hours ago on The Complete Eighth Series DVD Extras
Hmmm... I suppose I'm back to my original statement about this episode. This time, perhaps with more feeling:
That looks disturbing and original!!! :D
4 days, 2 hours ago on Flatline Clip
@The Lazy Cat is Watching Some Clara Who I'm about 90% sure she lives. As to staying... harder to call, really. If she DOES live, I suspect she'll have to leave pretty soon. The Danny thing somewhat demands it.
4 days, 22 hours ago on Details on Episodes 9-12 of Series 8