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@CowbellKingdom @TABDOG Ah, thank you CBK Moderator.  Difficult to have an intelligent conversation when you are being bashed for every opinion offered!


I will enjoy the open communication with other thread posters!


#DontFreeTabdog

8 months ago on Why Jimmer Fredette no longer made sense for the Sacramento Kings

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 Watching this game from the stands the other night, I got to say it was a very ticky tack called game by the ref's.  But, so what?  As an NBA player you have got to know that certain ref teams tend to call it that way.  And if they trend that way, then you have to adjust your game and when those calls are made, you can't act the way DMC did.  He deserves this suspension and I think they should have hammered him for more $'s.  I get that he doesn't feel that he gets enough credit and gets called unfairly, but seriously?  It's of his own making!  He developed this persona... 


And although he has been better this season at letting calls go, outbursts like this with consequential T's and ejections equals 1 foot forward and five feet back.  You want to be considered the best C in the game?  Model your behaviour around Tim Duncan.  Learn how to keep your emotions in check and instead of routing them through anger, use them as a catalyst for upping your game.


I am growing tired of watching the amazing DMC and his basketball skills being diminished by the DMC who throws tantrums like a spoiled child.  Play the game Demarcus!

8 months ago on NBA suspends and fines DeMarcus Cousins for incidents against Houston Rockets

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@TABDOG Per 36?  How about a game and per 48?  


Jimmer's per 48 TO  =  4.6

IT's per 48 TO  =  4.0


Sucks to be constantly wrong doesn't it?

8 months ago on Sacramento Kings free Jimmer Fredette

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 Great development for the Kings.  Looking forward to the new arena and watching our Kings play there!

8 months ago on Judge throws out lawsuit from opposition against Sacramento Kings arena

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@TABDOG Ah, you obviously did not read my last post which had this link: http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAC4.HTM#sthash.UYwSuj6S.dpuf  Which shows Jimmer's Opponents PER.  


And I don't recall ever "braggin up" IT in any post, so unclear as to where you pulled that out.  I am not playing any favor towards any player.  Simply attempting to draw you into an intelligent conversation, which I am finding to be almost impossible.  


Did it ever occur to you that you don't have to bash everyone in a thread?  I share many of your thoughts on the Kings and their dealings with Jimmer.  However, to go off on someone just because they post their opinion is a bit childish, don't you think?  







8 months ago on CK Press Box Report: Houston Rockets 129, Sacramento Kings 103

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@TABDOG So what?  This is a team in the process of a makeover after years and years of roster and contract neglect.  As you will be following the Warriors now, as you indicated on another thread, examine their PER stats for the Warriors and you will find like numbers.  PER just tells how officiant their offense is... not how well they play as a team.


- Stephan Curry  -  23.7

- David Lee  -  19.5

- Klay Thompson  - 13.4

- Harrison Barnes  - 10.3

- Andre Iguodala  - 13.6

- Andrew Bogut  -  17.6

- Jordan Crawford  -  10.6

- Jermaine O'Neal  -  13.3

- Marreese Speights  -  14.8

- Draymond Green  -  12.1


So an All-Star, a couple of second offensive options and a gaggle of league average players.  Bottom line is they took a couple of years to form a good group of players that work well together.  They finally found a coach who got them, a team who "never" played much defense, to begin playing defense, I believe they are 9th in the league in points allowed this year compared to 19th last year and 28th the year before.


This Kings team will be no different.  So while you rant and rave about how terrible ownership, their GM and coach are, the rest of us that fill the arena for every home game will choose to be positive and look forward to next year and the continued rebuilding of this franchise.

8 months ago on CK Press Box Report: Houston Rockets 129, Sacramento Kings 103

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@Cowbb Very well put.  Could not agree with you more.  Let's hope Jimmer gets signed on to a team who can utilize his offensive skill set, give him some spacing and let him shoot.

8 months ago on WATCH: Pete D'Alessandro on potential Jimmer Fredette buyout

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@TABDOG  *sigh*  Since you were obviously unable to quantify using the algorithm I left you above.  Scroll down half way to find Opponent Counterpart 48-minute production.  Here are last years stats, not as complete as my computations, but you wanted to see it.  


http://www.82games.com/1213/12SAC4.HTM


This years computations have his Opponent Per 48 minute at 20.9, so slightly lower.  Knowing how thick you are, I am sure you will find a way to dispute the numbers above, even though they are not of my calculations.  The number and game play speak for themselves, which validates my initial comments.  Jimmer can shoot lights out when given some space.  But his defense is a huge liability.  Hopefully he will be picked up by a team that plays good help/team defense, can protect his deficiencies and free's him up so he can play and shoot more.



8 months ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@TABDOG Yes, I agree with you 100 PERcent. You are the stupid one, as well as braindead.  My dignity is intact.  You however, have successfully tarnished and shredded any dignity you may have had long ago.


Jimmer is now bought out, or close to being, so we can only hope you turn your derision and empty pontificating to whichever site he lands at next... we can only hope.




8 months ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@TABDOG  LOL... No, I am fairly sure I have you pegged in the intelligence arena... However, if you believe you are smarter than I think you are, then you can do the configurations and answer that question yourself. 


Factually, the computation is part of the book "Basketball on Paper" written in 2004, which are efficiency metrics for both Individual Offensive and Defensive Ratings.  


Have fun computing!



8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@Jim7419 Yo Jim, you got my agreement here.  I hope that he can be a poor mans Steve Nash as well.  I wouldn't label him a bust just yet.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@TABDOG  You aren't very bright are you?  I have tried to be kind, however you seem a bit dense and don't deserve further attempts. So you can understand, I will try to keep this simple, but pay attention:


Points per 100 possessions can be calculated both for a team and individual stats.  A players defensive rating estimates how many points the player allowed per 100 possessions he individually faced while on the court.  The rating is conceptualized by the individual defensive stop.  Stops will take into account a play ending an opponents possession (tracked in the boxscore) as well as forced TO's and forced misses by the player (which aren't tracked)


The formula is thus:


Stops = Stops(a) + Stops(b)


where:


Stops(a) = STL + BLK *FMwt *(1-11.07 * DOR%) +DRB * (1 - FMwt)


FMwt = (DFG% * (1 - DOR%)) / (DFG% * (1 - DOR%) + (1-DFG%) * DOR%)


DOR%  Opponent_ORB / (Opponent_ORB + Team_DRB)


DFG% = Opponent_FGM / Opponent_FGA


Stops(b) = (((Opponent_FGA - Opponent_FGM - Team_BLK) / Team_MP) * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + ((Opponent_TOV - Team_STL) / Team_MP)) * MP + (PF / Team_PF) * 0.4 * Opponent_FTA * (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2


Also significant is the calculation of Stop%, this is the rate at which a player forces a defensive stop as a percentage of personal or individual possessions faced.  So:


Stop% = (Stops * Opponent_MP) / (Team_Possessions * MP)


With all these calculations, individual Defensive Rating can be had.


DRtg = Team_Defensive_Rating + 0.2 * (100 * D_Pts_per_ScPoss * (1 - Stop%) - Team_Defensive_Rating)


And:


Team_Defensive_Rating = 100 * (Opponent_PTS / Team_Possessions)


Where:


D_Pts_per_ScPoss = Opponent_PTS / (Opponent_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2) * Opponent_FTA*0.4)


Understanding that an individual defensive rating is often influenced by the team's defensive efficiency.  I would happily explain these calculations to anyone else.  I wouldn't begin to waste any extra time explaining them to you, as you don't have the intelligence to understand them.


However, that is not the point.  The point is you accused me of making up fake stats.  When you clearly did a quick search for 100 Possession Per and figured I was talking about Team stats and related that to Jimmer.  Do yourself a favor and argue with someone who operates more on your lower IQ level...  Never bring a bb gun to a gun fight, and your bb gun is pretty damn small.  


8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@Jim7419 I am not comparing Jimmer to IT.  IT has his weaknesses, although his efficiency PER rating is very high.  I am just talking about Jimmer here.  And yes, his comparison to Nash has been documented as you alluded to.  I can only hope he follows the route of Nash and becomes that type of player.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@TABDOG Again, before you lace me up, and remembering that I am a fan of Jimmer.  The truth is had a team seen him as valuable at 3.1 mil a year, they would have worked with the Kings.  No team did.  As I said, unless he improves his defense, he will be lucky to get a no-guarantee one year contract next year.  I hope he works feverishly and gets a good deal.


8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@Jim7419 I would agree to disagree.  I am not talking about IT or Ben... And yes, Jimmer brings a plethora of good things, unfortunately those things don't include defense.  

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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It goes without saying that Jimmer has been a consummate professional while with the Kings.  However, he is just not worth the $3.1 they would have paid him next year.  Yes, he has a renowned shooting touch, but his achilles is his unignorable defensive inabilities.  He can't fight through screens, gets posted up far too easily and does not have an ideal lateral burst.  That equals opposing PG's putting up an amazing 21.1 PER against him.


Even worse, opponent SG's (his true position) and PG's are all offensively skilled players, which makes his long range scoring replaceable.  So his only hope moving forward is to improve his defense, otherwise he will be regulated to a bench role for any team.  And to say otherwise is wishful thinking.  He will be lucky to get a one year non-guaranteed deal by any team next year.


I like Jimmer a lot.  And it's exciting to see him put up offense out of thin air, but it is just as frustrating to watch him allow more points than he produces most night against quality PG/SG's.  


I hope he puts in serious work on improving his defense this off season, so he will be more attractive to a team not just for his offensive prowess, but also a decent defensive stopper off the bench.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@PapiChulo Totally agree with you.  Get Ray as much playing time as possible and ease back on IT's minutes.  

8 months, 1 week ago on Road Reaction Postgame Show: Sacramento Kings at Denver Nuggets

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@Charger11 Facts are that Isaiah is shooting .452% from the field (6th amongst PG's).  And he is shooting .372% from 3 (17th amongst PG's) which puts him above All Stars Kyrie Irving and John Wall.  So saying IT is not a good shooter is not really accurate.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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 Good game last night minus the turnovers.  

8 months, 1 week ago on Road Reaction Postgame Show: Sacramento Kings at Denver Nuggets

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@sruns Yes, noticed it too last night.  Not a lot of frenzy until DWill's dunk.  Boston was playing off on defense so much that guys were just getting open looks, thus the lack of assists.  Decent shooting % though.

8 months, 1 week ago on CK Press Box Report: Sacramento Kings 105, Boston Celtics 98

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@TABDOG I already have one, but thanks.  Yes, this is entertainment...  and it is just that, entertainment.  But by reading your posts it is easy to ascertain, and you make it quite clear that you feel the opposite, you believe Jimmer should be a starter, the owners and GM as well as the coach are incompetent and should be held accountable for treating Jimmer like they have this year.  I get it, you dislike the Kings right now.  


And bro, you are entitled to your feelings.  But I can be quite certain that Jimmer, making his 2.5 million this year, is not any where near as angry and frustrated as you are.  And he is the one sitting on the bench, not you.  Lighten up man.  Look forward to him raining 3's against the Kings on whatever team he is on next year.  




 

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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Good game tonight. Assisted baskets weren't there, but a good physical game. Landry gets props for the flagrant!!! No way you allow easy baskets. Physical ball every night!

8 months, 1 week ago on CK Press Box Report: Sacramento Kings 105, Boston Celtics 98

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A coach who is looking toward the future and giving a previous team point leader minutes to see if he belongs or not. Obviously not.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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Don't put a lot of merit into anything Napear has to say.... Long term is subjective. Depends on the off season, the draft and free agency. Who knows? I am a fan and season ticket holder, so long term means however long it takes. I am just glad that they are here in Sac and not Seattle.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@Jim7419 That's all ya got for me Jim?  Sad that you claim to be a Jimmer fan.  I am a Jimmer fan... I like the kid a lot.  And I love to watch him play.  And I hope on a different team he is able to showcase the talents he brings to the court.  I truly feel he will be a valuable off the bench scorer for another team someday.  


It is unfortunate that team will not be the Kings.


And I honestly don't feel that Thomas is a starting PG either.  And you are right, it is entirely possible that Jimmer will get the chance to light up Thomas one day.  I would enjoy seeing them play against one another.  


And no, I don't believe the Kings organization is comprised of a gaggle of "jokes".  I believe they are playing with a deck that was stacked against them, full of horrible contracts and bad players.  I believe they are doing what they were hired to do, and that is build a long term success.  


As a fan, I would like to see more wins of course.  However, so I will sacrifice immediate wins for long term wins and playoff berths.  Which is exactly what this organization is trying to do as well.  And was what a more financially and emotionally stable Maloof group, along with Petrie did in the late 90's.  


In today's world of immediate gratification, I will choose the long term playoff bound Kings  

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@Charger11 Nice... name calling.  I don't disagree with you Charger11, regarding Thomas.  I don't believe that Thomas is a starting PG in this league.  Off the bench 6th man he is suited for, but not a starting PG.  Which is one of the reasons that the Kings only have 18 wins.  Because they suffer through his inability to consistently find open players and make his team better.  This team is a build in progress and the ownership has noted that they don't have the players they want yet...  a starting PG is what they want.


However, as much as I like Jimmer, he is only a bench player as well.  He will never be a starting PG or SG in this league.  Yes, he can shoot, but he can't defend like a starter, at least not yet.   

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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Explain in detail why you feel these first year owners and coach are "jokes". Please enlighten us with your acumen. And do us a favor and not pontificate that it's because Jimmer doesn't get the playing time you feel he merits.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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@sebass31 @snooch2danooch They didn't trade him because they couldn't find any takers.  They were asking a lowly 2nd round pick for him and no one wanted him.  Not even Utah, who had a roster spot for him.  In fact, there were quite a few teams who could have taken him, he was there for the taking...


I like Jimmer, I like to watch him play.  But he is a defensive liability that can't stay in front of most 2 guards in the league. And he is still a huge work in progress.  And let's be truthful, he would never have been drafted in the spot he went at if it weren't for the Maloofs wanting ratings and trying to get more fans in the stands.


The sad thing is you can see glimpses of what he may be capable of. Just not consistently.  I would like to see the Kings play him a bit more, but it's obvious he's not in their future.

8 months, 1 week ago on Will Jimmer Fredette see reduced minutes for the Sacramento Kings?

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