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@TomDundie @fushone @JoeyKocur le me just make sure I know what you're saying cause honestly its hard as fuck to read what you type. You're saying that when a player runs a teammate of your with a dirty hit that could cause serious injury you're supposed to do nothing cause you might get a penalty for retaliation? Is that correct?
also I don't know what facts you're referring to. you mean the ones about the 2 ranger teams that didn't put up with any shit winning the cup and the other going to the conference finals? those facts?
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@TomDundie @fushone @JoeyKocur what youre saying doesn't make sense though. I agree with you that dirty plays should not be part of the game (which for baseball would be throwing at someone). however, if it is done, which still happens in baseball even with the rules, you can be sure someone on the other team is going to have to hit the deck. IT STILL HAPPENS! and that's fucking BASEBALL!!. my point is that when someone goes over the line which can result in SERIOUS injury to a teammate, you let them know that shit won't be tolerated. honestly this is like hockey, or any sport for that matter, 101.
@TomDundie @fushone @JoeyKocur please read what I write before telling me what im saying is verbal diarrhea. you seem to think everything is black and white. just because a player comes to the aid of a teammate who received a dirty hit doesn't mean if his some goon. It's what brings teams together. take a look at baseball. the most passive sport there is. you throw at a guy intentionally and you can be sure someone is getting thrown at the next inning. That was easy!
and to your 2nd point, it doesn't man going after neil will result in him not taking runs at people per se, but if he knows a teammate might get targeted for the shit he does he may think twice and im sure his more skilled teammates, I,.e. karllson, may be a little nervous after he does something like that. remember carkner taking out boyle? it worked!
@TomDundie @fushone @JoeyKocur please don't be condescending. Balance is what wins championships. according to your logic you don't need any toughness at all. Have you ever watched playoff hockey. it is incredibly physical and if your stars are getting drilled game in and game out they will wear down. If you wear down the opposing team its not as easy for them to wear you down. Sure kocur and king, and rupp and prust aren't the sole reason you win a championship but they are a key part to that success. and hockey is not like other sports. its back and forth, almost non stop phycial play, especially in the playioffs, and if you dont think you need to put a little fear in to the other team you are mistaken. when carkner ran boyle in 2012 that almost single-handedly turned the series around. so please dont talk to me about what I know and don't know.
@TomDundie @JoeyKocur is it a surprise that the toughest team the rangers had in recent memory in 2012 almost went to the cup. and the last rangers team to win the cup had a very tough team too (kocur, king, buek), mess, graves, etc). you don't have to be loaded with heavyweights but you need guys who will fuck someone up for taking liberties with your best players with the dirt shit we keep see happening to ranger's players.
@TomDundie @JoeyKocur whn you lose guys to constant cheap shots and dirty hits it doesn't mater what game plan you have. you need to have some tough players. we lost McDonaugh on a late hit (and almost to a cheap shot a week earlier) and now could've easily lost staal on that hit. you cant let other teams get away with that or the injuries will pile up
@DPSnotty @mando24179 that wasn't a dirty hit
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@Bueller @fushone so then why ever stick up for a teammate?
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@Bueller @fushone McDonaugh shoved him..there was no "battle" after the slash
@Bueller and one last point as I go. No one knows the extent of an injury immediately after something happens. For all anyone knew right after the slash, McDonaugh could have easily had a broken wrist. just because a player doesn't immediately fall to his knees in pain doesn't mean he's not injured. So whether a player is injured or not or "seems" to be sticking up for himself shouldn't factor to in to whether a teammate thinks an opponent has crossed the line.
@Bueller @fushone my argument is not about whether people saw it or not, but where we disagree is IF someone had seen it. you think no one should have done anything even if they did see it, whereas the rest of us disagree, so we don't need to watch the play
@KevinTheNYRBlog @fushone @Bueller @Say my Name @Rangers_54 good point, but that is a pretty big difference. i.e. what if mcDonaugh did break his wrist but instinctively still tried to go after Simmonds while his teammates stand around and watch. The game moves too fast to have a "wait and see" approach to almost any aspect of the game,. You react to a situation, not to what the situation might eventually lead to.
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 GOD just called and told me I won the argument
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 again, an immediate reaction to a star tplayer getting slashed on the wrist means you act before you know whether they are injured and can stick up for themselves. You DON'T stop and think...."hmmm, is he hurt, can he defend himself". you're supposed to just react to a dirty play like that against your teammate...DONE
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 There you go again putting words in our mouth. where did anyone say retaliate for every hit? you still haven't given me an example of when you think a line is crossed. guess you don't have one
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 kill his parents
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 and "I look over" = "checking"
@Bueller @fushone @Say my Name @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 you continue to not understand our argument that whether or not your teammate gets injured isn't the point. according to you, you should stand up for yourself AFTER you get hurt instead of standing up for yourself beforehand to avoid people taking liberties with you to begin with. a PREVENTATIVE approach
@Bueller @Say my Name @fushone @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 and don't say 'when someone gets hurt' cause its an instant reaction...you don't stop and check on your teammate before jumping in
@Bueller @Say my Name @fushone @KevinTheNYRBlog @Rangers_54 you still keep avoiding the question of when do you think a line has been crossed and a teammate needs to step up? A two handed slash across the wrist to one of your best players seems pretty line-crossing to the rest of us
@Bueller @KevinTheNYRBlog @fushone @Say my Name @Rangers_54 the point is, if someone had seen someone take a vicious slash to the wrist of one of their top players someone should of stepped up. not waited to see whether he was hurt or not. that's not the point
@Say my Name @Bueller @KevinTheNYRBlog @fushone @Rangers_54 we should probably just give up...he doesn't get it
@Bueller @KevinTheNYRBlog @fushone @Say my Name @Rangers_54 so at what point do you do something...what about a cross check to the back of the head...a cross check to the neck? how about a spear? a deliberate head shot? according to you a player should never retaliate because it won't make the guy go home and change his ways........its really a ridiculous argument
@Bueller @fushone @Betweentheworlds Cross checks to the back happen a million times a game especially in front of the net. That's part of the game if you want to play in front of the other team's goalie. A 2-handed slash across the wrist is in another league. I hope you can understand the difference
@Bueller @KevinTheNYRBlog @Say my Name @Rangers_54 Cross checks to the back happen a million times a game especially in front of the net. That's part of the game especially if you want to play in front of the other team's net. A 2-handed slash across the wrist is in another league. I hope you can understand the difference.
@KevinTheNYRBlog @Bueller @Say my Name @Rangers_54 I don't think anyone saw it either, but the argument of whether or not a team should react in that instance HAD they seen it still holds value. well at least to most of us
@Bueller @Say my Name @Rangers_54 I guess you don't understand the concept that there is carryover between games. "messages" are sent from one game to another and so is energy. How's that for using my brain?
@Bueller @fushone @Betweentheworlds I don't know what that means. Nothing I wrote disputed how the game ended. It's what didn't happen
@rangermom @fushone @Gino77 my bad. people were complaining that mcdonaugh shouldn't have been out there.
@rangermom @Gino77 the flyers had a 2 man advantage at the end of the game and down by 2. You put out your top d-men in that situation in a big game.
@Bring back Langdon @Gino77 you're crazy if you don't think he's good.
@Bueller @Betweentheworlds so according to you're logic since standing up for yourself and teammates won't "change" the way the other player plays, there's no point in doing anything?........I guess we just let then do whatever the hell they want and just sit back and take it. good strategy. The result (whether or not McDonaugh was hurt or not) should not factor in to how the team responds to a deliberate cheap shot that easily COULD have injured him. Otherwise its open season.
@Bueller @Betweentheworlds That was the time to respond. absolute perfect time.