MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human
Now qualified for the Rani, Omega and the Master, some proficiency with others. Mr Pink was human all along, now investigating Missy...
@Switcharoo @MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human High praise indeed from you, Switcharoo, who I could very easily say the same things about (minus the helmet, magnifying glass and gel guards, of course!). I only endeavour to give my genuine and honest opinion, and hopefully with some sharp wit and legendary humility with it to. It is a great, if unintentional pleasure to bring such enjoyment to your thread perusals, I tip my hel... elaborate headgear to you!
10 hours, 42 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
Yes, it's that new crime f̶i̶g̶h̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ duo, shapeshifter girl and... er... cyber augmented boy (n.b. rethink name). Introduced by suddenly appearing in a room, explained through a rather quick examination by the Doctor and then dead (but not very convincingly dead) in minutes, they're the perfect indication that this episode needed more time to breathe. Clearly garnering great levels of popularity very quickly from many here, but I have to say, not for me.
Oh, it's not that I hate them, I just failed to form any sort of connection with them at all. The deeper aspects of their personalities felt explained in much the same way I might give someone directions to the McDonalds around the corner, and no time was given to flesh them out any further. Soon, both had died in a suspiciously teleport-like flash and their greatest influence on the episode was realised. Two people who weren't going to get their reward. Two people the Doctor brought along only to seal their fates, and who in the interest of preventing a serious paradox will still have to ensure their deaths later by getting in touch again. Cyber augmented boy actually getting through to me just before he kills himself to escape a worse fate. But then suddenly, and luckily undetected by the Teller, a guard morphs, a helmet is lifted and there they are, and lo and behold that bizarre teleport-like death was really a teleport! And, after a bit of happily-ever-after and a good chance for another hug joke, they're off to be bland elsewhere. I can understand why some enjoyed them more than me. But next companion material? That would need a lot of work...
12 hours, 27 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@Monkeynuke That's not an opinion, having "think" in there doesn't make it one. You've provided a fact. An incorrect fact, yes, but it's still a fact, because it's testable. We can test if Mars exists. We can't test what the quality of something was for someone.
16 hours, 14 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
I have to take issue with one line though:
"Looked like death, was actually a teleport"
I... actually thought it looked like a teleport
16 hours, 26 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@EternalVortex I have to say I failed to connect with either of them at all
16 hours, 30 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
I enjoyed that more than I thought actually. I'm generally not a fan of a romp, but it was a fun ride. The pacing was a little off, as the DWTV verdict said the characters were disappointingly un-fleshed but it exceeded what were fairly low expectations. The Teller was fantastic, convincing and genuinely scary... shame about the conclusion to its storyline (the final scene walking off was just surreal rather than touching). The shapeshifter and augmented human were probably most effective as characters when they were dead, to be blunt.
Flawed, rushed and disappointingly realised... does have the dubious title of Thompson's best... but damn for some reason I genuinely enjoyed it. 7/10
16 hours, 36 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
If there are "Listeners" in my house and following me all my life I can only apologise to them, it must be exceptionally dull!
I too am of the opinion that in this episode there was something. Of course, the ambiguity about it all is what makes Listen such a remarkable episode.
19 hours, 5 minutes ago on Thoughts on Listen’s “Monster”
"although the Doctor certainly seemed to believe he was going to die in The Day of the Doctor."
As a subscriber to the "Not on Gallifrey" theory, I always assumed that activating the most dangerous weapon in the universe might have a bit of a side effect on the bloke standing next to it. Why did the Doctor take the Moment away from Gallifrey in that case? Well, to get away from the Time Lords. The Time Lords can detect and apparently (mostly) block TARDISes landing so I don't see why they wouldn't locate the Moment very quickly if the Doctor had just taken it around the corner.
1 day, 15 hours ago on Listen: Breaking the Time Lock?
Blink I've always admired academically, but never quite got the enjoyment and atmosphere out of it that others seem to, though it is a fantastic episode. Listen is a bit more the other way around. I have some academic quibbles with it, but I can immerse myself in it more. My favourite of Moffat's is actually the library two-parter (indeed, my favourite of the revival). It's a very tight thing, but I think I have to give my vote to the episode that brought us the poignancy of "It's the same rain".
Blink - 9.55/10.00 [8th]
Listen - 9.50/10.00 [9th]
2 days, 17 hours ago on Face-Off: Blink vs Listen
The people saying "yes, but those words defined who the doctor was..." or something to that effect have entirely missed my point. I believe the Doctor was and would always have been the Doctor, and that all that happened was Clara gave him some words (some words she'd actually first hear said by the Doctor(s) ) that were nice and succinct and effective. Do you really think someone sitting next to you and talking to you for a few moments one night in what you think is a dream is really going to have a profound effect? No. Clara didn't define who the Doctor was, nor his ethos, nor his name and promise. At most she gave him some words to use. He already didn't want to join the army, he was already an outcast, he was already the Doctor. If you think that Clara really had such a massive effect and find it grates with you (as it did with me at first) then I don't think the issue here is so much what Clara did, as your perception of the Doctor.
2 days, 22 hours ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
@The Lazy Cat is in on the Time Heist @MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human No need to apologise at all! In my hindsight my comment was written a little bluntly, but that was unintentional and I definitely think that it's good to have the debate!
I still think Clara's influence is being exaggerated here. As I said before, the Doctor is the Doctor and Clara is Wikipedia. I think her big important role in a plot or arc is done, she was the impossible girl. I think the impact she had here has been overstated, she provided some words, little else.
3 days, 11 hours ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
"feeling Closing Time had too much of it" - Erm... Really?
"Courtney comes on this adventure because she begs the Doctor for a trip in the TARDIS." - I'm already imagining this as better handled than in Nightmare in Silver, but it worries me a little.
"The Mummy was deemed too scary by the BBC and will require a later time slot." - Loving the sound of that.
Genuinely looking forward to these episodes, I think Series 8 will be continuing to astound me in a way a series hasn't for a very long time!
3 days, 16 hours ago on Tantalising Details on Episodes 5-8 of Series 8
Doctor Who has already basically been battling the X Factor, with the last third of it clashing each week. People won't watch Doctor Who to miss the end, even casually, so I don't think putting the whole episode against it will really have an impact.
Indeed, having a run-in from Strictly Come Dancing will probably boost ratings, Strictly is the most popular of the three programmes and will provide more of an overflow of viewers than the waste-of-everbody's-time that was "Tumble".
I also wouldn't worry too much about the kids, most parents will be letting them stay up past 9 on a Saturday night anyway, let alone for one of their favourite shows!
3 days, 19 hours ago on The Caretaker BBC Synopsis
Not one but two "plethora"-s! I feel very proud! ;)
Well written and eloquent pieces, as ever!
3 days, 23 hours ago on 2nd Opinion: Listen
@TheNightmareChild @MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human Fear not, I see all
As for the tagging, it doesn't seem to have done anything, so I don't know how it works here...
4 days, 10 hours ago on Making Sense of Listen’s Gallifreyan Gallivant
I always assumed the Doctor using the Moment would have killed him simply because he would have been standing right next to it at the time, and that a weapon ready to destroy a planet, an entire people plus all the Daleks might have a bit of a side effect, rather than it just being that he was on Gallifrey. It's still my head canon that the barn isn't on Gallifrey (otherwise I just can't see why, if the Time Lords knew the Doctor had the Moment, they didn't just find him?), but that raises whole new questions about Gallifreyans and Time Lords.
Oh, and I might be someone who fits into the "middle ground" on their stance on that scene!
Yes, in this episode we saw the continuation of Clara's elevation, as we saw her ascend beyond the realms of "saved-the-Doctor-countless-times-across-his-many-lives" to the dizzying heights of "creator-of-all-the-Doctor-is". And it grates with me, as it does with several others who raise their heads against the overwhelming surge of enthusiasm for this episode, of which, paradoxically, I too am part of.
But did we really see this? Did we see Clara give the Doctor his entire ethos, his promise, the very foundation for his name and being? Or did we see Clara soothing a very upset, very frightened boy? To be honest, I don't feel it's a stretch to think that the Doctor already was the Doctor, and always would have been the Doctor. Sure, Clara gave him some good words that sunk in that he would use later, but Wikipedia has done that to me loads of times, and it certainly hasn't shaped my very being. A few words, from someone in what a child thinks is a dream, isn't going to have a profound effect. The Doctor already had his character, he already didn't want to join the army, he was already something of an outcast. He always would have kept that character - just minus a few wise words. Clara is simply reassuring him, calming him, giving him some hope. Clara isn't defining the Doctor for the rest of his lives. The Doctor is the Doctor. Clara is Wikipedia.
4 days, 20 hours ago on Listen Review
Fantastic and insightful review on what is, in my opinion, the best Doctor Who episode in several years.
It's not quite a masterpiece for me. I must admit that the further elevation of Clara does grate a little for me, though the initial internal conflict I had over a bit of the stripping away of the Doctor's mythology was resolved when I decided that really, it made it more of a mystery rather than gave anything away. There were a few academic quibbles with it though - but purely academic.
The ambiguity around whether there was something or not and what that something could be is thought-provoking and effective, the episode is mature, tense, well paced (my initial feelings on original watch that the Danny bits were a little slow were soon changed when I realised it was effectively just building the tension about what exactly was going to happen), deep, striking and very dark. So no, not quite a masterpiece, but certainly a very fine gem. 9.50/10.00 [9th]
4 days, 22 hours ago on Listen Review
My scores have been revamped and recalculated since this time last week, so here is my revamped and recalculated stance on the Gatiss episodes:
The Unquiet Dead - 8.10 [31st]
Robot of Sherwood - 7.05 [47th]
The Idiot's Lantern - 6.40 [52nd]
Cold War - 4.75 [60th]
Night Terrors - 3.75 [72nd]
The Crimson Horror - 3.05 [79th]
Victory of the Daleks - 3.00 [80th]
5 days, 15 hours ago on Your Verdict on Robot of Sherwood
Still rooting for The Unquiet Dead the most, but Robot of Sherwood is a winner I won't hold a grudge against. The Crimson Horror and its popularity continues to bewilder me, and while I wish there was some more love for The Idiot's Lantern I think the right episode came last. I think the score for Robot of Sherwood is about right, Series 8 seems to be the first series where my views are not particularly out of place with the fandom as a whole!
Have you not cast your inner eye to gaze into the foggy depths of the future? Can you not see the impending doom of the show as brought about by a manic Moffat? Can you not see the figures crashing so low that it finishes behind the 30th rerun of an episode of Top Gear on Dave? Can you not see the audience detesting the show so much that the AI will fall below a party political broadcast on behalf of the Liberal Democrats (not a political statement, they just had one of the lowest scores ever not so long ago)?
What's that? No you can't? Then congratulations on being a sensible and rational person.
5 days, 19 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@Cambrell A programme on BBC4 rarely pushes above 1m, the exceptions being those high brow Scandinavian dramas and Only Connect, which got so popular they moved it to BBC2.
BBC4 is maintained mainly to appease those who complain that the BBC is not high brow enough, and rather than having a devoted viewership group tend to be watched by people who are channel surfing who see a programme that catches their eye.
5 days, 20 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@Regenerated Catterson Precisely, and anyway, once the final BARB figures for Robot of Sherwood were released it was only 800,000 behind the final figure for the X Factor. The Xfactor is currently being pumped up by a lot of hot, stale air to look bigger and more threatening than it really is by Simon Cowell. The X Factor's days are numbered, DW currently has nothing stopping it from making it to its 100th anniversary.
@RUAZ The AI has always varied wildly and shown up odd results. The AI hasn't declined either, they have all consistently been 82 except for Into the Dalek, which scored 84. Scores above 85 are rare in general, and Doctor Who's run of consistently-85-or-above episodes between Smith and Jones and Victory of the Daleks is simply a remarkable occurence (and one I feels that stands testament to what is roughly the best period of the revival era, but that's just my opinion).
As for the ratings... Well, the final ratings of Robot of Sherwood made it the 5th most viewed TV programme of the week. Indeed, it finished just 800,000 behind the X Factor. As the article describes, viewing habits are changing, and this is why figures are lower across the board. Figures are always lower in the middle of a series, the first episode always attracts a lot more than the following ones, especially when it was introducing a new Doctor. Ratings fluctuate, and "say Time Heist is down to 4 million" is simply a hypothetical scenario, so as helpful in assessing the state of the show as asking what happens if a dragon lands on the Houses of Parliament half way through next Saturday's episode and everyone switches over to watch the news.
There is no cause of concern at all. I though the article itself did a pretty good job of explaining why, but oh well.
5 days, 21 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@DWTV I always thought there must be some battle going on behind the scenes - as I'm in a better position than most to notice an increase in the activity of the moderator! (moderators?)
It's obvious, and has already been said, but I'll join in saying just how much I'm sure we all appreciate the hard work DWTV has put in to ensuring the comments sections remained completely spoiler-free - and what a meticulous and tedious task it must have been!
5 days, 22 hours ago on Next Time: Time Heist
@TheNightmareChild @supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... @Planet of the Deaf @ Notsosmartguy: Time Thievious Racoonus The library two-parter is in fact my favourite story of the revival. Blink I admire academically, but for some reason could never quite get the enjoyment out of it that others do
6 days, 12 hours ago on Poll: Listen – Was there a Monster or not?
@CindyMcDonald Problem is though, the midnight entity got into the capsule without breaking in or using the door, but the ones at the end of the universe apparently needed the doors opened for them? Any suggestions so I can adopt this headcanon?
6 days, 14 hours ago on Poll: Listen – Was there a Monster or not?
@CindyMcDonald Ooh, I like that. Perhaps one got stuck on the planet or something like that, and felt compelled to reveal itself to try and escape?
@thebluetooth It wasn't all explained at all, and that wasn't the point. It was all left very much open to interpretation. You might have the view that there was nothing, but that wasn't the intention of the episode, and nor was the intention of the episode to say that there was something.
My DWTV, wherever did you get the idea for this poll from?
Personally, yes, I think the Doctor did. At first I subscribed to the "there's nothing" view, but let's be honest, while everything has an apparently rational explanation, all of them added together starts to be very unlikely. For example, even if Clara was distracted thinking about Danny, why did the TARDIS happen to take them to that particular night?
6 days, 19 hours ago on 12 Great Moments From Listen
OK, my thoughts now, post-hype.
The episode raises questions and issues. The Doctor's childhood and the barn - was that Gallifrey? Was it not? Clearly not all Gallifreyans are time lords, this has been touched upon before, but are time lords not all Gallifreyan? Should the mythology have been unfogged that little extra bit, or did it just add more metaphorical fog? I must admit, I'm one of the people who finds the elevation of Clara yet further does grate with them somewhat. The Danny storyline feels a bit slow for me, but I also feel the juxtaposition between these scenes and the rest of the episode ultimately enhances, rather than jars.
But it was mature, dark, intriguing, gripping, packed with tension, thought-provoking, unnerving, original, memorable, daring, self-contained (yes, there were references, but there was no arc built up) and fantastically open for interpretation (no, it was not proven that there was nothing there after all, just that once Clara happened to grab the Doctor's ankle). So yes, I have one or two academic quibbles with the plot, but it appealed greatly to me and as an episode to just sit down and watch it is fantastic. No, it wasn't a masterpiece, but it was certainly a gem.
In my revamped, new-look, newly calculated episode ratings , it scores 9.50/10.00 [9th]
6 days, 19 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
Man the lifeboats! Man the lifeboats! The show is on a collision course for certain disaster! My God, can't you all see that the ratings are plummeting to the fiery depths of hell, to consume the show in the fires of cancellation? Can't you all see that Moffat is the captain of this doomed ship, maliciously intent on wrecking the hopes and dreams of its devoted followers? Can't you see how appalling it is that it was only the 2nd most watched show yesterday?
Scare-mongerers, pessimists intent on blaming Moffat for all they see, you're looking a bit foolish at the moment. The show is at an all time high internationally. iPlayer and such are the new, cheaper, more reliable VCRs. It is up against the disturbingly popular X Factor that is currently being pumped up with lots of stale, hot air to make it seem bigger and stronger than it really is by Simon Cowell. There is no exodus of viewers. There is no crisis for the show. There is record-breaking international viewership. There is a massive change in viewership habits. Now, can we accept this and move on, please? It grows a bit tiring to go through this after every episode...
6 days, 21 hours ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@Freezenifitweet @YaelMoise I don't know, a pioneer in human time travel and last man in the universe feels like the sort of person who might be a bit of a fixed point to me...
1 week ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
@YaelMoise I have to say, I've always personally assumed that the barn wasn't on Gallifrey - but that does open up questions given the Doctor apparently grew up there. Are all Time Lords not Gallifreyan? Was the Doctor and what I assume is his family just on holiday? The former raises lots of questions, the latter is just a bit rubbish.
While the hype is dying down and I'm still very fond of the episode, and will almost certainly count it among my favourites, I have to say it's good to hear a bit more of a balanced and less fanatical opinion.
@Planet of the Deaf Normal human. He wasn't raised on, like, an asteroid.
@IrelandMichael "It's that simple."
No, that's your interpretation. The whole episode is very much open to interpretation.
It seems to have gone down well beyond the fandom too. The Guardian is calling it one of Moffat's best ever scripts, comments there are calling it a classic and rating it highly. The Independent calls it "the most powerful episode of Doctor Who from Moffat to date". The critics seem to love it!
@mrclever @DWTV OK, let's stop giving DWTV ideas now...
@Sephora is Scottish now I imagine DWTV already has it planned...
Of course, the main thing I'm taking away from this is that, apparently, Mr Pink had a normal human childhood, and will have a normal human family. I guess that's one of my investigations called off...
@IrelandMichael No I'm not. And nor was it proved incorrect. Clara grabbed his ankle. Great. That doesn't rule anything out.
The whole point was for it to be open to interpretation. it wasn't explicitly proved either way. it can be nothing if you want it to be (that's my view), but it most certainly didn't confirm that.
@IceDaleks "As we discovered there was no official monster, and just the Doctors fear of the dark"
But did we?
Some are saying this, but the end scene with Clara there didn't mean there wasn't something. Yeah, she was the one who grabbed the Doctor's ankle there, but only there. She sparked the Doctor's curiosity, she wasn't under the covers, she wasn't the cause of the dreams for everyone else, she wasn't outside the locked door...
What's there? Who knows. Probably just the pipes banging...
@IceDaleks I have to say I think it was perfect for Capaldi
@The Moment @MrRazza, Investigating Missy and Mr Pink @JP7 That's the beauty of this episode, it could really be any of these things!
@Oliver J. "cool" I'd say some explanation would have shattered the whole tone of the episode. The Danny/Orsen thing couldn't because Clara knowing lots about who is implied to be her great grandson could mess up some timelines. The Clara thing... Yeah, I can understand some of the sentiments behind that, though I feel this may be something returned to later...
@kanlo @DoctorWho89 Or was it?
@JP7 A kid playing a prank... Or something else