TheNightmareChild is terrified about Dark Water
Mr. Child is my father. Please, call me Nightmare.
@Distilledoreo Thank you for mentioning plot holes that I forgot about. :)
1 hour, 6 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss In the Forest of the Night
"I'm not Clara Oswald. Clara Oswald has never existed!" D:>
What can this possibly mean?! This is so distressing! If the Clara Oswald that we've come to know over these ten months hasn't been real this whole time, and she's some kind of plant or sleeper agent or something... I don't know how I'll handle it! That's, like, Children of Earth levels of upsetting for me.
1 hour, 15 minutes ago on Next Time: Dark Water
@MaddyKika That was one of the few redeeming features of the episode.
1 hour, 39 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss In the Forest of the Night
The Triad: Listen, Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline
In order from Best to Worst: Deep Breath, The Caretaker, Into the Dalek, Kill the Moon, Time Heist, Robot of Sherwood, In the Forest of the Night
1 hour, 49 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss In the Forest of the Night
I feel like 'Flatline' would've been a more appropriate title for this episode compared to last week's, as that aptly describes my emotional state while watching this episode. Not a terrible episode by any means: it wasn't nearly interesting enough to be terrible. It started out with an interesting enough mystery, and from there the entire plot dipped down into boredom and terrible convenience: The planet is in danger of getting roasted from a huge solar storm, and so ancient, blinky fairies will save us all with trees. And the answer to how humanity will deal with this series of events is we'll just conveniently forget everything, but still learn some lesson from it anyway. 'Kill the Moon' caught a lot of flack for being scientifically inaccurate, but I find the total disregard of science in that episode more forgivable than this. In a show like Doctor Who that hangs together with dubious scientific logic from the get-go, our suspension of disbelief in that regard is pretty much compulsory. But it needs to be balanced out with believable, grounded reactions and characterizations from not just our characters, but from humanity in general. That's the only thing we have left to rely on. So when the plot just washes its hands of such a monumental event by saying "Humanity just forgets. You know humanity. They're just gonna get drunk off their asses after this and once they're past the hangover this'll just be a hazy memory", there goes the grounding factor of the story. And then it all ended in the most bizarrely underwhelming way imaginable. Not only was the return of Maebh's sister just so weird in the way it was shot and edited, but the reaction from the little girl playing her and the woman playing her mother... I can only describe it as "We have time for one take. And ACTION!" I hate to say it, but in my mind, this is this series' 'Fear Her' for me. The production design, the good acting from all involved, including the children for the most part, and some admittedly good character development between Clara and Danny couldn't elevate this poorly conceived soup sandwich of a story. And unlike 'Fear Her', which is undoubtedly a bad episode, I don't think I'll ever feel compelled to re-watch this episode. For all that 'Fear Her' was equally bad in the scripting department, the directing of that episode makes it devastatingly watchable to me, even while I cringe at some of the goofier story elements and laugh at some of the questionable acting choices. The directing of 'Forest' wasn't bad by any stretch, but merely serviceable. It doesn't elevate the story in any way shape or form.
In conclusion, this is without question my least favorite episode of the series, and quite possibly one of my least favorite of the whole show period.
1 hour, 55 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss In the Forest of the Night
(I'm putting an addendum to this comment here, as I think I'm fairly missing an important aspect of this discussion with what I have so far): All of this to say that Series 8 is seeing a not insignificant dynamic shift from the previous three series. Series 5 through 7 were inarguably through the Doctor's eyes: his experience and reactions were the primary focus of the entire Silence arc and he was thus the one that we were meant to relate to the most. In Series 8, things have balanced out a little more in that the Doctor has become more distant and inscrutable, and as a result, the companion is given more importance and it is largely through her eyes that we are seeing everything. And I can certainly understand for those who haven't particularly warmed to this companion they would prefer that the focus maybe shift back, or maybe they could see a change in Clara that would make her more likable for them. But while I empathize, I am not in that camp.
1 day, 1 hour ago on Poll: Is Clara Overshadowing the Doctor?
As my most beefy and squirrely friend below me has already said, one's feeling on this issue will likely hinge on whether or not one enjoys the character of Clara Oswald. And for my part, I like Clara. I don't know if she's my favorite companion in the new show (the softest and poshest place in my heart is still being held by Donna at the moment), but I like her a lot. I find her dynamic with the Twelfth Doctor to be really engaging, and I admire her bravery, her moral center and her sharp wit. She has also thankfully been balanced out in this series compared to last with definable flaws; she is certainly a bit of an egotist, and especially in recent episodes she is displaying a really inflated sense of self-importance. And I can certainly understand and respect these flaws rubbing certain audience members the wrong way. Everybody has their different bugaboos after all. Personally, I find Clara's personality and characteristics to be infinitely more enjoyable than the overly brash and often bristly personality of the previous companion. And say what you want about Clara, she at least has had some agency overall in this series over merely being a necessary piece in the overarching mystery of the series. At least she has some purpose in most of the narratives she's in to be there outside of "Well, she's the companion, so of course she has to be there."
And to those who have said and probably maintain that Clara is the worst companion in the whole of the show, I would just like to remind you that Mel is a thing that exists in what can liberally be called the canon of this show.
1 day, 2 hours ago on Poll: Is Clara Overshadowing the Doctor?
@Switcharoo I don't think any comment you make could leave a bad taste in my mouth. Because you are able to flavor even the odd disagreement I might have with you with your savory wit, and that makes it palatable every time. No, more than palatable. Delicious. :)
1 day, 3 hours ago on Poll: Is Clara Overshadowing the Doctor?
That image really is too perfect though. XD
A superbly written article! Well done! I don't think I'm alone in feeling that my expectations for Capaldi's Doctor weren't so much exceeded as much as met in a more fulfilling way than I expected. Like many, the idea of a darker Doctor was definitely intriguing and exciting, if for no other reason because it would be markedly different from his two predecessors. But I think a lot of us had an extremely vague conception of what a darker Doctor would even mean. Ultimately, I think if that were put onto the screens instead of what we got, the character actually would be extremely unpleasant and would likely drive people away from the show. Thankfully, the show wasn't in any of our hands, and instead was left with people who were able to give us what many of us sought, but with incredible nuance and subtlety that makes the character and the show a great joy to watch. So yes, this Doctor is cranky, distant, sometimes pragmatic to a fault. He lacks understanding of human emotion and it baffles and deeply saddens him when he puts Clara in deep distress because he genuinely thought he was doing right by her. But there is also a deep vulnerability to this Doctor; I think more than his predecessors, this Doctor is terrified at the prospect of being alone. I think he's more aware than any incarnation what he's capable of if there isn't some sort of mediating influence to temper him, and it frightens him to think what he might be capable of if he doesn't have Clara with him. But he isn't lacking in humor either. It's just that rather than possessing a generally whacky demeanor, this Doctor is more prone to the sarcastic quip. He isn't gonna flail his hands about and say something silly, he'll brush off the mystery of an elderly woman being killed by saying "Old people die all the time, it's practically in the job description", which I suppose you could argue is tied somewhat to his more standoffish nature.
My point being that Twelve is a very complex, multilayered character, and you have done a fine job dissecting it for us. Good on you, sir. :D
2 days, 4 hours ago on Who is the Twelfth Doctor?
"...a not so subtle environmental message." Should we expect any funny talking animals in this one?
3 days, 5 hours ago on In the Forest of the Night Advance Review
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. I think the seeming discontinuity between Series 7 and Series 8 Clara stems a lot from the fact that Series 7 Clara was deliberately underdeveloped so as to fuel her mystery. Now that she doesn't have that hanging over her, they are free to explore her character a little more.
4 days, 4 hours ago on Another Take on “Clara Who”
@MrRazza is regenerating I don't think it was a return of doubt. I think that's where the true doubt sprang up, whereas before she was more confused and concerned because he aged. The doubt came as a result of his abandonment in the restaurant. And yes, he came back for her and saved the day, but from her perspective, I can imagine her wondering what this new Doctor will do next if he's already gone this far just to get what he needed from the Half-Face man.
It's a tough one to be sure. But I'm gonna go with Flatline. And my reasoning is related to my "Perfectly Good vs. Perfectly Excellent" discussion. And ultimately, 'Mummy' is definitely the most conventional of the two stories. It was supremely well executed, of course. But I feel that Flatline took more risks, and most of them paid off very well. However, I say this with the caveat that my opinion on this episode could change come the finale. Because Clara's development is so obviously integral to the end of the series, it will unfortunately stand somewhat on the finale.
4 days, 4 hours ago on Face-Off: Mummy vs Flatline
@Clara Bosswald is the Chosen One. @TheNightmareChild just got fitted for a loincloth @Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen Well, I haven't watched The Three Doctors yet, so I can't really say anything about that. As for Journey's End, and it's first part for that matter, I would say I hold almost the opposite view of you. I was really into the story and thought it was the stronger element, which was sadly let down somewhat by the fan service-y elements. Not because fan service in and of itself is a bad thing, I just thought that the fan service in the episode was poorly done.
4 days, 17 hours ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
@Clara Bosswald is the Chosen One. @Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen You will never not take an opportunity to slag off that episode, will you? :p
5 days, 3 hours ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
Curses! Foiled again by living in not-Britain!
5 days, 5 hours ago on Watch Death in Heaven Early
I think the thing about Capaldi's breaking out moment as it were is that he has obviously been deeply questioning himself throughout the entire series. He's been the Doctor unmistakably all along; he just hasn't been sure if he's quite as into being the Doctor anymore, if that makes any sense. And I think it took an entire episode like this of being essentially incapacitated and utterly helpless to reaffirm his commitment. He was reminded that the alternative to being the Doctor is doing nothing, and that's a thousand times worse to him, no matter what the incarnation. And so when he's finally let out of the box, it reignites a little of his old verve. And that is what makes it such a fantastic moment.
6 days, 5 hours ago on 12 Great Moments From Flatline
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. Agreed. I don't know how I would feel about such chicanery.
6 days, 13 hours ago on Flatline Review
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around Well spake.
6 days, 13 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@WiLfreduk To be perfectly honest, if it turned out to be anything that needlessly convoluted, I think it would just about ruin the entire series for me. No offense-you thought out and explained this theory very well.
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. Wouldn't so much bore me as much as just go in one ear and out the other.
6 days, 15 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @MrRazza's normal account is messing around @TheNightmareChild Well that, and I personally had to mull over just how much the ending with the space baby dropping an egg to replace the moon let down the overall experience for me.
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around @TheNightmareChild @YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over I can live now with where it places for me. It's a slightly uneasy settlement, but it's a settlement.
@YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over @MrRazza's normal account is messing around @TheNightmareChild I think 'Kill the Moon' was a tough one for a lot of people. Not that the story was really complicated or hard to follow, but I think many people, like myself, needed some time to really think on what we felt about that particular episode. And after the cool down, I think a lot of people got the heat out in the Clara vs. Doctor debates that sprung up around it.
@YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over I am a fastidious grammar-Nazi, especially against myself, so I was going to correct my comment to straighten out the subject-verb agreement issue I just spotted there, but my edit button timed out right when I was in the middle of fixing it and now it's just there. Making rude gestures at me. X(
@YaelMoise waits for the trees to take over Probably because the finale and the resolution to the series arc is now definitely dangling over us and there is some speculation afoot.
@MrRazza's normal account is messing around I'll be sure to whip up about 800 more dummy accounts of my own to help you recoup the losses of at least all of the likes I've given you since I've been here.
@The Lazy Tiger Has Scared Off The Lazy Cat @supermoff agent of C.L.A.R.A. You did this without Photoshop? Well, my hat is off to you twice over.
6 days, 19 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@The Lazy Tiger Has Scared Off The Lazy Cat Too cool. :)
@The Lazy Tiger Has Scared Off The Lazy Cat Livefyre doesn't want anyone spamming. Try putting a random space in the link somewhere.
@The Lazy Tiger Has Scared Off The Lazy Cat Right now, I think the best theory floating around is that Clara is being subtly groomed in some way by Missy for some purpose. What that exact purpose is is anyone's guess.
6 days, 21 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@ClaireAbraham I guess I see what you mean, but personally I didn't mind it. Because ultimately, I think the exact mechanics of the solution aren't what's important. The scene is ultimately meant to further highlight the inflated ego that Clara is presenting in this episode, and how even in being heroic she is completely wrongheaded in the way she is handling everything. When the Doctor steps out of his TARDIS and makes his grand, heroic speech about how he won't let the monsters harm the people and universe that he cares about, it contrasts sharply with Clara's attitude which, when boiled down, was very zealously "Did you see the Doctorin' I did? Did you see the Doctorin' I did?"
6 days, 23 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@Christoph1337 "Of all the people to survive, he's not the one you would have chosen, is it? But if you could choose, Doctor, if you could decide who lives and who dies... that would make you a monster." -Mr. Copper
@ClaireAbraham @supermoff agent of C.L.A.R.A. That's more or less exactly my thinking on this. Furthermore, the most that the anecdotal evidence of a Time Lord swapping genders between regenerations would go to prove is that that particular Time Lord simply had a more fluid gender identity than any of the Time Lords or Time Lord-like beings that we've seen in the show.
1 week ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
My new rankings:
First, the Triad: Listen, Mummy on the Orient Express, and Flatline.
And finally, in standard best to worst order: Deep Breath, The Caretaker, Into the Dalek, Kill the Moon, Time Heist, Robot of Sherwood.
@MarySue Moffat @Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live... The problem was that she was too caught up in being a good Doctor at the expense of actually being the moral center that she used to be and that she needs to be. She's taking the wrong lessons from him ultimately, and that's what's troubling him about the whole thing.
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @Browncoat of arms We are the Legion of the Beast!
@Browncoat of arms Congratulations! :D
So it would seem that Clara is getting a bit big for her britches there in the end. Moreover, her inflated sense of importance seems to be playing right into Missy's expectations in some way. So it would seem that those who would cry foul over "Clara Who" were partially correct, but the show is still vindicated by the fact that this is obviously setting up for catastrophic consequences down the line. Clara's ego is growing, and if I were a guessing man, I would say it's going to send her crashing down in the end. And I am on the edge of my seat to see how it will all play out.
As for the episode itself, I would say it was very nearly as perfect as last week's. The production design was spectacular, the visual effects were mesmerizing and quite disturbing at moments. The cast was made up of very distinct characters who were all well written and well acted. Unlike last week's episode, this one had more balls to keep in the air, and with more complexity comes more opportunities to screw something up. But I really don't have much in the way of complaints about this episode other than one or two measly quibbles. Grigsy(?)'s willingness to sacrifice himself, while certainly noble, seemed to come out of nowhere and lacking in real motivation. If anything, it just felt like an opportunity for Clara to give him an out so she could say a funny line about her hair tie. Secondly, as I've already pointed out below, Missy apparently owns an iPad or some other kind of tablet device. Not something more fanciful like a looking glass, or some kind of big, spacey wacey looking thing, just a tablet that any random jagoff down here in the physical plane might own. wut...?
But as I said, these are quibbles. In the grand scheme, they don't hurt the episode which overall I would describe as excellent. I put it up there with 'Mummy' and 'Listen' as part of the new triad of perfect or nearly perfect episodes from this series. Truly spectacular.
Things I Learned from Television #6805: The ruler of the afterlife owns an iPad.
@TerraceArchimedes @TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! @twoheartsonemind Noble as that intention is, as an American myself I can tell you that it wasn't needed.
1 week ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@The Lazy Cat is Watching Some Clara Who There aren't a lot of things that would make me reconsider my fanhood of this show, but that's one of them.
1 week ago on Flatline – 12 Hints & Teasers
@twoheartsonemind @TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! Doesn't make it any less dumb.
1 week, 1 day ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! Exactly. That's why I hated that opening, because it felt completely incongruous with the series it was made for.
Incidentally, that's why I always hated that special opening they made for series six with Amy's narration. Like, "Oh, oh yeah, no, thi-this show is definitely all about Amy. All about Amy and her adventures with her wacky supernatural pal. It's like f*ckin' It's Punky Brewster up in this sh*t."
Look, it's all very simple okay: you either have a more mysterious and distant Doctor, or you have a show in which the Doctor gets more or less total significance to the overall arc of the show. That's just the way the dynamic is designed and there's no way around it. And a consequence of the former is that we're seeing the show largely through the eyes of the companion, i.e. Clara at this point. It seems to me that this is a significant dynamic shift from the one we saw with the previous Doctor, where while the stories themselves were not entirely about him, we were undoubtedly seeing those events mostly from his perspective. His part in those stories and his reactions were what we were mostly meant to focus on and hang onto. Now, we essentially have almost the reverse: where the overarching plot of the series is hanging over Clara and the Doctor, but it's Clara's eyes through which we are meant to relate to the events. And in my humble opinion, that is a much more interesting and satisfying dynamic.
Chr*st on a cracker, that was freaky! This is gonna be a good 'un! :DDD
1 week, 1 day ago on Flatline Clip
@The Taker @TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! Well, that's at least different. XD
1 week, 3 days ago on Piper Praises Capaldi, Unsure on Another Return
@sontaran17 @TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! What do you mean? I wasn't instigating it. I was merely making a prediction. People within this fandom tend to have very definite opinions about this character and it always comes to blows one way or another between the two factions as it were whenever she is brought up in this capacity.