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@Jawsey When did Eleven break the fourth wall in actual stories? I can't remember.
3 hours, 29 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@YaelMoise @bringmeknitting I'm good with that too. I think the bottom line for me is that I don't take Capaldi's words to mean he is 'actively' jealous - i.e. that he wants her for himself. A highly entertaining rejoinder Yael, and yes I can actually think of at least one situation where I have thought like that - it's basically an ego moment, no? I don't think we're clashing here in any case, my point is simply that Capaldi is not going to start snogging Clara or anything of that kind, and for me personally that line does not give me the squirms. No Papa/Nicole :)
9 hours, 18 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@DasManiac Another illuminating critique from DasManiac. 4/10 :P
9 hours, 25 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human I really enjoyed reading this review and I also appreciated the positive mindset you clearly have; recognising the flaws in the episode as you see them, but finding ways to enjoy nonetheless. Thanks :)
10 hours, 55 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
I've let the initial wave of response to "Listen" to abate before throwing my oar in. There was so much to treasure in this story in my opinion. Firstly, I truly believe that the opening scene with Capaldi's monologue in the TARDIS will in time go down as an all-time classic Doctor Who moment on its own. The Danny/Clara scenes are very reminiscent of the style of "Coupling" and I suspect for many your enjoyment or not of them may rely to a degree upon whether you liked that show. Personally I did so I didn't have a problem. In terms of the story, I loved the notion of a tale purely rooted in the Doctor doing some research, not trying to save a world. Why shouldn't he do research? a good Doctor is always seeking to learn more, surely? Likewise, the whole concept of the monster (or not) is a very typical Moffat trope, and by the same measure as earlier will appeal more if you like Moffat tropes. Personally I do, I think much of the most frightening material is derived from fears that we know ourselves. I also felt that the 'moral' at the end, Clara's speech to the scared young Doctor, was very moving and truly beautiful - a love letter to every child of whatever age telling us it's okay to be afraid. To those who feel Clara is being made too important in the Doctor's personal narrative, all I can say is look at Doctor Who's long history, the rich and diverse tapestry of writers, producers, actors and crew. All of them have shaped and moulded Doctor Who for their time and tastes. In any case if the next show runner doesn't like it, time, as we have seen over and again, can be rewritten :) I was all prepared coming in to be underwhelmed by "Listen"; too much hype telling me it was an instant classic before I'd even seen it. It had a huge amount to live up to. But today, for once, I feel able to hand out a rare 10/10 to all involved and say well done everyone!
12 hours, 40 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
@YaelMoise I noted your earlier comments regarding the final scene Yael and I'm rather glad on coming back that I found this recent post of yours before replying since I see you are feeling more sanguine about the offending line.
It doesn't add much I guess, but I've watched Time Heist twice now, and regarding the line in question I felt FWIW that Capaldi was emphasising how much more exciting robbing a bank was than going on a mere 'date', in that it was a much more satisfying way to spend time. The wry expression on his face suggests to me a lighthearted attitude when saying such a line, and I honestly didn't think "ew does that mean he fancies her" at all. Capaldi comes across in interviews as an intelligent, thoughtful, mature man who is very aware of issues like this and I truly believe him when he says he wants "no Papa/Nicole" moments. As much as anything because he knows how controversial they might be.
I say that having watched a second time and paid particular attention to the moment in question following your comments last night. Thanks for raising it though - I think when we intelligently debate the meaning of moments like these, I feel we in a way actually pay tribute to the production team - because they think about stuff like this too :)
13 hours, 3 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@simon delafield Well at least you voted with your feet, rather than watched it simply to moan about it. Fair play to you :)
14 hours, 38 minutes ago on Rate & Discuss Time Heist
@thepeterjoy It does feel a little weird without Matt when I hear it. But I prefer to see little things as further little kisses to the past... like the use of "Rose in Peril" from series one on the "Listen" trailer :)
1 day, 1 hour ago on Next Time: The Caretaker
How I'd LOVE a William Russell cameo. You can almost picture it: "Ah, I remember you... Chesterfield? Chesapeake? Chessene... no not Chessene that's ridiculous, she was a female Androgum... now where's my 500 year diary... it's a mistake to clutter your pockets, Chessington..."
@Thomas Thomas It would seem a bit of a waste without, wouldn't it? That is, assuming WR was available and well enough to do it. Let's hope :)
@Beasts_a_Snarling With that cynical entry point, I don't see how this episode can possibly be anything but depressing disappointment for you. Mind you, DW is a unique series in that it has some 'fans' who simply tune in order to find more things to moan about ;)
@Beasts_a_Snarling Now you're just looking for things to moan about. It's getting trivial.
@Beasts_a_Snarling There's a world of difference between 'some added brilliance' and 'perfect'. No balanced thinking Moffat fan would suggest he's perfect. Who suggested he was the 'god' anyway? ;)
@Beasts_a_Snarling Coal Hill School. As in where the whole series started in the first place. To many, many fans an iconic location and one I heard many say they wanted to see more of. Not one episode has actually been set in the school yet. A moment's flashback in Deep Breath. The opening scene of Into the Dalek. Doesn't appear at all in Robot if I remember... or Listen? Momentary glimpse in Time Heist. Not exactly flogging the horse there. Please try to understand that your idea of repetitive and boring is not necessarily shared by everyone, nor should you expect it to be.
@Beasts_a_Snarling Empty imagination? Ouch. And how many stunningly original works of literature have you produced, that you sneer down on Gareth Roberts's deficiencies?
@Beasts_a_Snarling And there again I agree. I really like Listen, but I might have liked it even more had I not had the world and his WOTAN screaming "it's a classic!" at me before it even aired ;)
@Beasts_a_Snarling Now here's something we agree on 100% :D
@Beasts_a_Snarling No, you're frustrated because people aren't simply agreeing with you the way you want. Why can't you just accept and respect that? It makes you sound about 14. Yes, Tomb of the Cybermen is a classic story. Why should the Cybermen dominate every story they're in? You might love them, but for others such as myself I think they're over-rated and a bit rubbish. The last great story they had in my book was The Invasion - six years before I was even born :)
@Beasts_a_Snarling Why? By whose law?
@Beasts_a_Snarling Yes, let's go back to endless quarries pretending to be Queeglezog 7, cos we haven't nearly enough of those over the years :P
@Beasts_a_Snarling Whereas many would say the Pertwee era grew very repetitive and predictable. Surely Doctor Who should be a mix of all these things. It's not going to move away completely from Earth stories because that's the world people know and can identify with more easily. The production team aren't making it just for diehard fans with their set ideas and agendas, they're principally making it for the general public of all ages to enjoy on a Saturday evening.
@Beasts_a_Snarling I've not seen you put any context to it. All I'm reading are superficial and inaccurate generalisations.
@Beasts_a_Snarling You are wasting your time indeed, because you're generalising and pretending it's a powerful argument to cover the fact you just don't like modern Doctor Who. You might as well get with the program or watch something else, because they're sure as hell not going to change it exactly to the way you want it :)
@Beasts_a_Snarling I could point to many stories set away from Earth that are spectacularly generic and cliched. It's not where you are, it's how you do it. You're making crass generalisations again. The world is not black and white, my snarling beastie fellow fan :)
@Beasts_a_Snarling The Classic series had plenty of boring, repetitive episodes and companions it was hard to have much emotional investment in because they didn't exist apart from the Doctor. I have great affection for the Classic series, don't get me wrong I've been watching for 33 years, but to start suggesting it was some shining, perfect, cohesive monolith is frankly a load of old Daleks :)
@Beasts_a_Snarling By that reckoning why should anyone's story other than the Doctor's matter?
@Huknar Now you're just looking for things to pick at ;)
@Regenerated Catterson Oh I don't know, I think a few people might be just as excited by Nick Frost :)
2 days, 14 hours ago on 2014 Christmas Special Guest Stars Confirmed: Frost, McMullen & Troughton
@Chris502 One can never have too many Troughtons! :)
This is looking more and more like Doctor Who does Hustle. Which I have no problem with at all :)
2 days, 19 hours ago on Time Heist Clips & Introduction
@LGwalchmai95 If I said The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, it might sound like I think SM has only gone downhill, and I don't think that at all. But that first story still takes some beating.
2 days, 20 hours ago on Face-Off: Blink vs Listen
@Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen @SonicTheHedgehogRules The Day of the Doctor coming in at number one is hardly surprising; it's recent, it was the big kahuna anniversary special, and against the odds it seemed to satisfy a decent majority of viewers. That's some achievement in my book, so its placing at the moment doesn't surprise me at all.
@Master Michael Moon @supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... I suspect the electoral turn-out and the passion of the debate would be somewhat less ;)
@JackArtaganMackenna Moffat standalone, 'cheap' episode, monster hiding in plain sight etc. I assume that's what people are referring to.
@JackArtaganMackenna I think the point about perspective is a valid one. That's not an anti-Listen comment - I loved it.
@MikeHumphreys The angels have the phone box. Wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey. Sad is happy for deep people. Life is short and you are hot. I have until the rain stops. You live in Scooby Doo's house. Four things and a lizard. I'm rubbish at weddings, especially my own.
They're just the ones I remember immediately, and admittedly they're personal favourites.
@Aztecs, Daleks and Cavemen @Switcharoo.....says 'Yes'. I'm glad I'm not the only one :)
@Mockridge Excellent comments I thought.
I would take issue though with the notion of people merely viewing Blink through a filter of nostalgia. It's a story I have returned to time and again over seven years, and I keep expecting to go off it any day now. I haven't yet. It remains a landmark story and time as far I'm concerned only demonstrates its enduring popularity as a superlative and landmark story.
Listen is a wonderful story and the final message to children of all ages that it's okay to be afraid was Moffat at his best; how people can suggest nothing happened or that Moffat can't be just as moving as RTD in his writing is beyond me personally. But we're still basking in the immediate afterglow of Listen, there isn't the perspective born of distance. I'll be interested to see if it shows itself to have the 'legs' of Blink over time. I sincerely hope so.
@Sharaz_Jek I love Blink and went for it in the vote - but how exactly was Listen a mess?
2 days, 21 hours ago on Face-Off: Blink vs Listen
Ach, this is a tough one. Blink has the huge advantage that it's been around for seven years, we've all had time to see it as much as we want, and we have perspective on it. Listen has a huge advantage in that it's brand-new and fresh in the mind. Listen was a beautiful love letter of reassurance to children of all ages that it's okay to be afraid, and I love it for that; Blink introduced surely the best new monster race in NuWho and still stands up now as a great story. I think, by a fingernail, I'm going to go for Blink.
@supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... To me, that just shows the limitations of AI scores. I enjoyed Journey's End for what it was, but it certainly wasn't worth a 91 in my book...
6 days, 14 hours ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
I've watched it online both times, does that even get counted?
1 week ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@The 14th Doctor And let's not let that Baird bloke off the hook. Utterly ruined television by inventing it! :)
1 week, 1 day ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
@MetamorphmagusWho met 7, 8 and Ace @ Notsosmartguy @Mermeht I think people on here seem by and large reasonable. But I've come across so called fans elsewhere on the idiotnet that I regard as some of the most petty, small-minded and vicious individuals around... thankfully I haven't met many of the latter in real life.
@Ha'olam But Gallifreyans being portrayed as 'human-like' has been going on for decades. Look at "The Deadly Assassin" - it's pure House of Lords.
@supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... @Mermeht Quite. The way some talk about whoever is the show runner at the time, you'd think they were a baby-eating massive-murdering genocidal maniac, as opposed to someone busting their balls trying to make the best telly they can :(
@Mermeht It's got to be up there with England football manager these days. Actually it's worse because there are people outside England who actually give a fig about Doctor Who :)
@lilfleur13 And thank you for adding so constructively to it.
@LukeKaittani Indeed Moffat has ruined Doctor Who. Just like RTD ruined Doctor Who, and Philip Segal before him, and JNT, Graham Williams, Philip Hinchcliffe, Barry Letts, Derrick Sherwin, Peter Bryant, Innes Lloyd... Actually I blame Verity Lambert. She managed to ruin Doctor Who before it even started :)
Once again, the only consensus is the consensus that there is no consensus. And I'm not even sure there's a consensus about that... ;)