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And meanwhile The Next Doctor was, for me, one of the most unmemorable episodes of Davies' entire run...
1 day ago on Festive Face-Off: Voyage of the Damned vs The Next Doctor
Too bad there isn't a none of the above option here... :P Ok that's slightly mean towards Voyage, it had Alonso, Bannakaffalata and that brilliant 10 minute suite. Honestly even some of my least favorite episodes are elevated by Murray Gold's score. So I guess it'll be Voyage, though that's a huge distance behind yesterday's.
@The Dreamer wants her Who Christmas NOW! Entirely fair...I think with any kind of "what we want" discussion (Doctor, villain, companion, writer, etc) we want things to work out with the Doctor and within the context of the show first. Changing up the archetypes a bit just might open up some new, interesting angles.
2 days, 6 hours ago on 4 Different Types of Companions Doctor Who Should Consider
My one problem with the idea of a companion from the past is I wonder what their endgame would be. Could they really just go back after a time in the TARDIS to their comparatively primitive time? I doubt it. I'm definitely behind the idea of a companion from the future or an alien, or at least someone from another planet, and it would be good to have another companion with basically zero romantic link to the Doctor like Donna, who was fantastic.
Hell I think it could be downright fascinating to have a regenerated Susan back with the Doctor considering how different the dynamic would have to be after he basically forgot about her for a half-century. Obviously in this case I'd like for Carole Ann Ford to get an appearance before said regeneration if at all possible.
@ilyootha, agent of C.L.A.R.A. While I like the idea on some level - it was the best part of Journey's End - I also like that, in contrast to RTD, Moffat's (seemingly...there's a lot of time for him to contradict me here haha) found a way to really let go of some of his characters. Amy's only return amounted to a five second cameo that was really a hallucination and River was nowhere to be seen or even really mentioned in Series 8.
The Ponds and River also had really emotional, closed-off exits...River's timeline is screwy enough that it could probably work but it would really diminish the ending of Angels Take Manhattan (and, issues with the plot aside, that ending was heartbreaking) to have them return. Jack could be doable but I haven't watched Torchwood so I dunno how much retconning may or may not be needed there. And I really hope Clara walks away at the end of Last Christmas alive and able to return.
3 days, 5 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat
@supermoff @Malohkeh While I'm sure there are some legitimtately do want a legitimate big time "special" for the New Who 10th anniversary, I think most of us don't really want some huge to do as much as some references and maybe a slightly bigger than normal episode at some point where some RTD-era people reappear (or just Eccleston, I'm fine with that too). Nothing Day of the Doctor-esque but more like a slightly bigger/better School Reunion.
That is, unless Nine comes back. All bets are off if Moffat can somehow pull that off, as big a long shot as that appears to be.
@voterassilon Haha entirely fair and thank you for responding here!
On race/gender, firstly I'll say that I don't really know the context when it comes to race relations in the UK as an American, so things may be entirely different. But at least as I see it while I certainly agree that they're far different attributes which affect different things, race/ethnicity, even if you just think of it as a melanin difference, clearly have a wide range of effects on how one's life is lived and the culture they grow up in, when it comes to the larger world. Obviously nothing is universal but in general, it's far from a meaningless trait, hence the line I drew between it and gender. It isn't as innate as gender but still can change quite a few things in one's life.
On the second point, it's always dicey to bring up because there's a natural defensiveness on the other side that, well, I can't experience. It's not that your opinion is "less valid", per se, but that opinions from other people who tend to be culturally similar to you due to race/ethnicity are usually represented as the default/as the ones most likely to have "power", however you'd like to define that, and that many simply try to balance that out. I firmly believe in empathy and there are supporters of all kinds of causes that aren't part of the group affected, but I also believe that the most empathetic perspective possible isn't the same as a perspective from someone who IS part of said group.
Thirdly, I didn't really read through the comments before writing mine but based on that I'd assume that "weakening men" line came up a lot already haha I can see that point there, and somewhat understand where you're coming from. In response I'd still say this situation is largely unique to the Doctor and, to a slightly lesser extent The Master. There aren't really any other recurring Time Lord characters (assuming we've seen the last of River) that commonly return as different actors, male or female. River was brought up, but aside from one episode excursions as Mels and as the little girl she was always played by Alex Kingston, so there was no organic transition. I would've been perfectly ok with Mels being Melvin, for the record, but for the other episodes Kingston was so well established in the part and I certainly don't think actors should be booted if they don't want to leave for the support of a sex change. Now that Gallifrey is back, this "lack" of changing characters may very well change but with the exception of Rassilon there basically haven't been any outside of the Doctor and the Master.
I don't think every character HAS to change sex ALL of the time, but that the possibility is a good one that can open up new avenues but doesn't have to occur. To be clear, I'm not really saying that the Doctor should change, just that I find the idea interesting and think that it could both do some good AND support the story. Basically, it would be nice but I'm not going to quit watching if it never happens. Different actors bring different things to the part and I certainly believe there are actresses who could give a fascinating portrayal of the (former) Last of the Time Lords.
With any other character, we don't ever really see them change at all so it probably makes sense for their first return to be somewhat similar...in THAT case, I would see it as more of a stunt. Like, say, if Susan came back as a man. Change is going to be shocking no matter what but the writers would have to jump through hoops to explain why, as opposed to a recurring character where "Oh, it just happened" makes more sense since we've already seen them change a lot. Romana...well she did change herself on a whim a lot. Maybe she wanted to be a man this time. It could work, but possibly as a later change. The fact that we've seen the Doctor a bunch of times (and the Master) means that change is attached to that character already in the viewers' minds.
The British/American point helps with my closing, actually. That one's an interesting one...I don't think I'd have a problem with him having an American accent. Would it be weird? Absolutely. Does it need to happen? Of course not. But that could be adjusted to. However, I wouldn't want him to be an American HERO with a different personality. British heroes seem to act in a wholly different manner and that change would violate the character's core personality, which is where I do see an issue. Personality over looks. Basically, if they can logically keep a similar personality (NOT the same, since the Doctor is never exactly the same), I'm ok with a different look or sound, and I personally feel that while of course gender plays a role in personality, the Doctor's core traits...never cruel or cowardly, witty, abhorrent of violence, loving, the madman with a box...could be transferred to a woman if played right, and Michelle Gomez' excellent performance in the finale (and all season) solidified that in my mind.
1 week, 1 day ago on An Opinion On Gender Regeneration: Plot or Politics?
@pats86 Thanks and likewise! I do think it's always good to read those different nuggets of thought, it certainly gets us thinking in different ways.
1 week, 2 days ago on An Opinion On Gender Regeneration: Plot or Politics?
Damn that was...a lot longer than I'd thought. I basically wrote a response article. Hope it's not too much of a read, to anyone that comes across this...might have to expand it a bit for an actual post somewhere haha
Firstly, thank you for at least trying to take a more measured approach and not just attack the idea as "wrong" without anything else to say besides "It just is and I'll stop watching if they do it." While, as I'll mention below, I rather strongly disagree with many of these points and would argue you've missed the point of some others, I do appreciate the tone and effort put in here. So, to begin...mind you, this is a long response.
First, a very common point - you yourself call it a cliche - but one that, for me, fails to hold up is the idea of gender swapping other characters like James Bond or Margaret Thatcher. However, the key difference between all of those characters and the Doctor is that in the first category all of those characters are normal humans and in the second are real people who obviously look a certain way. The Doctor, as a Time Lord, has canonically changed his personality and look in dramatic ways multiple times before, which to me entirely separates that character's possibility for a sex switch from the others.
Though, for the record, some of those have been swapped in other media...for example, current American TV series Elementary has Lucy Liu as "Joan Watson" and from what I've heard it's been very well received without anyone batting an eyelash. There were some weirded out viewers at the beginning but that has passed and the show is very successful.
Secondly, with regards to plot/story developments, we simply don't know what new avenues might be enhanced by the Doctor being a woman but to me it's rather dismissive to say they'd automatically be silly or just "a bit of fun". We didn't know how things would work without Gallifrey, or with the Doctor as a young man that falls in love with his companion either, and in both cases after some grumbling and time the story has adjusted well.
For me, this is a very similar argument as the one regarding the possibility of the Doctor changing race - relevant since Paterson Joseph was highly considered for the role - and in both cases they could open up new doors while not radically changing the character. While it would be folly to change EVERYTHING about the character, there would be no reason to do so. If I'm not mistaken, multiple Who writers have mentioned that they just write for "the Doctor" and the actor imbues the character with their own personality and style. Knowing that a female (or black) actor would still know the Doctor's core values and personality, they could play the same character in a different way, which has been the ethos of the show ever since Troughton took over for Hartnell, without losing the essence.
Next, the idea of "don't use old ones, make new ones" isn't one I necessarily disagree with, but I would contend that both are great and acting like using old ones is such a crime comes from an inherently privileged point of view. It seems relatively safe to assume, if for no other reason than typical demographics, that most viewers/commentators/people talking about this issue are white and male. For the record, I'm black and male. I'm also American, which may very well make these views different. Said white, male viewer can always safely rely on the fact that most current iconic characters look and sound like them and that the vast majority of any new characters that become popular will also look and sound like them because it's easier for that to happen. All of those lead characters you mentioned that were men weren't men because Fleming or Doyle or Newman/Lambert sat back and thought, "Hmm, what will be best for this character?" but because being male was a default for heroes/detectives/spies. Mary Poppins, being a nanny, was in a default female role for the time. However, we're in the 21st century now and those defaults are fading/
Iconic, beloved, long-lasting minority characters are the exception, not the rule, and in almost all of those cases are still far behind their white, male counterparts. Now, that's a) not a bad thing in and of itself and b) it's obviously not that minorities can't love and support and appreciate those characters, we've been doing so for decades. But there's still a hierarchy that arises.
The Doctor is a rare case in that change for him isn't just some kind of story gimmick...natural, dramatic change is embedded in the soul of the character and happens every few years. So, for that reason, many of us hold out hope that this is the one time a character could change and it would actually make sense, therefore allowing for this beloved, iconic character, the same one as the one in 1963, to be seen through this new and inspirational lens. Creating new characters is welcome and needs to happen, but there's no substitute for history and the Doctor is full of history.
Also - and I say this as a man myself - I find it laughable that arguing for stronger representation of women apparently automatically has to mean weaker representation of men. This is not a zero-sum game here and there are loads of gigantic male lead characters that will still exist...plus, it's not like the Doctor's change would be permanent. As stated before, the Doctor changes every few years and there's little reason to think that a regeneration or two later wouldn't make the Doctor a man again, allowing everyone to slip back into their comfortable spots free and clear of any "controversy".
And finally, on the note of changing Romana or River. Firstly, I do think it's a false equivalence, as nobody is saying that we'd like every character willy nilly to change sex every time we see them. There are distinct reasons for the Doctor, many of which I've mentioned above. Secondly, to circle back to the privilege point - any man growing up watching media is used to seeing other males in lead positions. Sure, all of those characters you mentioned and most of the companions are strong, memorable, human and distinctive characters, but the point still stands that they're ultimately sidekicks and companions. The show's had male and female companions, sidekicks, helpers, villains ,etc, there's been no lack of diversity there, hence nobody calling for dramatic changes there. People focus on the Doctor, which has been 12 in a row where change is most possible, and where there's less of a story need for change to allow it to happen.
Bringing back Romana or River would happen for a distinct story purpose, while the story exists around the Doctor. I feel that more of an actual story-driven reason would be needed for both of those characters seeing as we haven't seen Romana in ages and River's timeline was screwy enough with her as a woman the whole time, as opposed to the Doctor.
So, on the conclusion to my points...again, thanks for the relatively measured response. I do understand people not liking the idea, they don't have to like it. I'm a James Bond fanatic and I didn't like Daniel Craig's casting at all when he was first announced, and that was my right. He was blonde, short, not very well established and seemed like a bit of a brute. But I gave him a chance, trusting the writers and producers that had treated the series so well before, and three movies in Casino Royale and Skyfall are two of my all-time favorite Bond films, with Craig's phenomenal performance as Bond a major reason why I love them. Sure, things haven't been perfect - Quantum of Solace was indeed brutish and average - and a writer for a female Doctor might go a bit too far in emphasizing those traits sometimes. But I trust that the show would survive and thrive, just as it has before, as long as people are at least fair enough to give it a chance.
Santa being a Time Lord would be hilarious and very plausible now that Gallifrey is back in play and we've seen the Master...
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Moffat: Last Christmas is the Strangest Thing I’ve Ever Written
@Darth_Vil @Sonic_Tardis To be fair this is FAR from specifically a Moffat problem...
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Could Osgood Still Be Alive?
@jamesanash101 I'm not trying to be mean here, but I was waiting for her death...considering she says, three different times, "This is the day that I died" (ok, once, "This is the last story I'll ever tell") it felt like a bit of a cop out to, well, not actually kill her.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on New Who Finale Face-Off: Your Top 8
@Ian Chatterton According to Amazon, next Tuesday December 2nd. I feel you...I excitedly rushed out first to Spotify and then online only to find I can't, at least through my normal channels, listen to or purchase this yet.
3 weeks, 3 days ago on The Day / Time of the Doctor Soundtrack Review (Disc 2)
@Chris502 @TheAmazingSkyFaller™ I don't mind that concept in general, but it would be nice if I wasn't crying because of a Doctor Who episode for the second straight Christmas...
3 weeks, 4 days ago on 2014 Christmas Special Titled
@Chris502 Ooh, good point. Maybe the Doctor literally has to save Christmas...
Interesting continuation of a trend...for all three of the revival Doctors who got a Christmas special, their first one had the word "Christmas" in the title. It's like Davies and Moffat wanted to remind us, "Hey, new Doctor, same old Christmas!" :P
As for the title...it seems pretty appropriate after the ending of Death in Heaven for Clara to leave, I just hope it means their Last Christmas together and not her last one ever...it would be nice for a companion to be able to just walk away, Martha's the only one in the new series that didn't have some dramatic/tragic exit.
@supermoff Agreed! I love Moffat, and despite issues I often had with his writing loved/missed Davies too...but I'll be FAR sadder to see Gold go than any showrunner.
3 weeks, 4 days ago on The Day / Time of the Doctor Soundtrack Review (Disc 2)
@HUNDOLOS @ilyootha Haha well personally whenever I rewatch The End of Time I'm always far too annoyed with Ten in that scene to particularly remember the music, so before Time of the Doctor I listened to "Four Knocks" without associating it to any particular moment.
I suspect that Gold didn't write a new piece because he felt that variations on "I Am the Doctor" were overused after Series 5 and 6, and there wouldn't have been another possible option for Eleven's finale than a version of his most iconic track. Maybe I'm dense, but it took me quite a while to realize that the main melody of "Vale Decem", or at least the melody that plays after he's already in the TARDIS, is just a more epic, choir-backed version of "The Doctor's Theme Series Four".
Considering "I Am the Doctor" is, for all intents and purposes, Eleven's Theme, and Gold used it in nearly every opportunity, including pivotal finale moments in 5 and 6 and the opening credits of The Day of the Doctor, he likely wanted to spotlight another great work. I was a bit disappointed to barely hear "I Am the Doctor" in the entire episode - you get it, very briefly, when Clara is running down to the TARDIS only to find Tasha Lemm inside - and never felt it was overused because it's just that brilliant. Even Gold seems to realize that, as Twelve's Theme seems to be a new arrangement/variation highly inspired by "I Am the Doctor".
@tom colman @SirTrey @joe4 Oh I certainly agree on a personal level that a writer doesn't necessarily have to come from the list of prior Who writers, I'm just going from the one prior example we have with Moffat, though he was more prolific under RTD than anyone has been under him. Didn't see that about Mathieson not wanting the job, fair enough...and I WANT TO BELIEVE when it comes to Gaiman, though I acknowledge it's highly, highly unlikely.
And admittedly, you're right that we don't know what goes on in the writer's room, though YMMV on Moffat's quality pre/post-RTD, obviously.
I'm also limited in that, being an American viewer, I can't say I regularly watch too many British shows, so my familiarity of high quality television in the UK is limited. Cross ran Luther, if I'm not mistaken, hence his name, and Whithouse Being Human.
I doubt the show abandons the model; in America, it's frankly becoming MORE popular, not less, and provides a consistency of vision.
4 weeks, 1 day ago on Capaldi Doesn’t Plan to Regenerate “For a While”
@joe4 @SirTrey Well there's always dissent somewhere haha I mentioned in the Moffat birthday article that you could make a serious argument that Moff has written the best episode in all 8 seasons. The only one where I think it's a serious stretch is series 6, due to "The Doctor's Wife" being - at least for me - the obvious leader that year. Hell I even enjoyed "Nightmare in Silver" a lot more than others.
With that said, Mathieson's two episodes were phenomenal and showed a great understanding of the Doctor and his companion. He's probably a LOT cheaper and, aside from a new French drama - and, let's be honest, if Doctor Who asked I think he'd make things work - also a LOT less occupied. I like the idea of handing the keys to Mathieson so, so much more than to Gatiss and at least as much as, say, Toby Whithouse or Neil Cross. I'd love it if he ended up becoming a consistent writer under Moffat like Moffat was under Davies, would allow for a smoother transition.
1 month ago on Capaldi Doesn’t Plan to Regenerate “For a While”
Love Capaldi and hope he stays for years to come...and, as much as I also love the Moff, it might be interesting to see how a Doctor is handled under different showrunners. It happened plenty in the classic series but so far in the revival each Doctor has been covered by one main writer. Next year will be the fifth with Moff in charge and the tenth where he's been writing for the show...if he were to step down it would be after an excellent run.
Then the BBC just needs to start throwing money at Neil Gaiman and only stop when he says yes :P
@Planet of the Deaf @supermoff @NotsoSmartguy Personally I'd say one of the reasons S8, S5 are my favorite seasons (and favorite finales) is that they have such a singular focus. S1 is similar, though I'd have it behind S4 in terms of the overall season but miles ahead in terms of the finale. Not that the other seasons didn't have an arc or clear focus but I felt that the execution and connecting factors were their most taut in those years.
It can't be a coincidence that those are all first seasons for Doctors...Davies and Moffat both knew exactly what they wanted for Nine, Eleven and Twelve respectively and everything moved towards that end. Similarly I think Ten's best season is the one where Davies was the most removed from Rose's shadow and created a new dynamic/focus with Donna and with moving towards the end.
SO, revolving back around to Clara and Danny, especially considering we'd already seen a long-running TARDIS romance under Moffat with the Ponds I was ok with a bit more rushed romance if the actors can carry it...and I'd certainly say Jenna Coleman and Samuel Anderson do so with aplomb,
1 month ago on Steven Moffat: 10 Triumphs
@Switcharoo I...erm...um...*scrolls down*
@Kongosoha, investigating the Other And give Ten one more shot to be an ass to Jackie Tyler, don't forget that :P
1 month ago on Finale Face-Off (Series 1-8)
@the Doctor's euphonium @SirTrey True enough but that seems to be the exception with Doctor Who finales for whatever reason, not the rule, so I'll take a perfectly logical and straightforward ending if everything prior worked to build to that moment over something that builds up and then does nothing with most of that, or alternately a finale that basically comes out of nowhere (Space Jesus). And even a very well established resolution (the Teselecta) collapses under the weight of all the other twists and turns.
@the Doctor's euphonium That "plot-point men" line was hilarious though haha
And yeah with S4 I'm impressed at how many balls RTD was juggling at once but that doesn't mean I care about those characters. Among many, many other issues.
@the Doctor's euphonium I just find it interesting that after loads of (entirely valid) complaints over Moffat being too timey-wimey and convoluted, people are complaining because Series 8's finale was apparently...too logical :P
Strategically I wanted to vote for Series 8 because it's a very solid #2 for me and easily the most logical resolution of any of the finales IMO, even my favorite one takes some stretching.
But The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang isn't just my favorite New Who finale, it's probably my favorite episode period. Couldn't vote for anything else.
@TheOncomingHurricane Also, piggybacking on what troughton who? said, just because a literal deus ex machina is used twice doesn't make it ok the second time. It makes it a deus ex machina used twice ;)
I've also always wondered why that entire process back on Earth was necessary. Rose had traveled with the Doctor for quite a while, clearly meant something to him, and the world was clearly in danger. Are we supposed to believe that the TARDIS could get pried open by a truck? Was Rose just not trying hard enough yet? What happened there?
And yeah, cleansing Blon is still a ways away from granting near-immortality, wiping out an entire fleet and causing instant regeneration...I feel like it's notable that not even Davies bothered mentioning the Heart of the TARDIS again (to my knowledge) and the next time the TARDIS' sentience became a topic was a completely different portrayal in "The Doctor's Wife".
All that said, it's still a brilliant finale...but that resolution is its one glaring flaw for me.
@Clara Bosswald wants a Kate Stewart Spin-off @TheNightmareChild I also love how he basically seeds the whole "name of the Doctor" arc here, in his second episode, with Eleven saying he'd have to find a new name for himself. It's certainly a flawed episode but far from "bad".
1 month ago on Moffat’s Best Monsters, Tricks & Stories (So Far)
Top Twelve Moffat Episodes:
1. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
2. The Day of the Doctor
3. The Girl in the Fireplace
5. The Eleventh Hour
6. Dark Water/Death in Heaven
7. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
8. The Time of the Doctor
9. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances
10. Deep Breath
12. Asylum of the Daleks.
JUST missed: The Angels Take Manhattan, The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, The Snowmen, The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, A Good Man Goes to War/Let's Kill Hitler.
The man's written some of the show's best-ever episodes and I'll be very sad to see him go. There's a very good argument that he's written the best episode for each and every season!
@TheNightmareChild "The Time of Angels"/"Flesh and Stone" was great, excellent ending to Part One and holds up nicely, I just honestly can't remember much of it, unlike many other recent episodes, which tends to mean it didn't stick as much with me. I'd submit either of his last two season premieres, I greatly enjoyed both "Asylum of the Daleks" and "Deep Breath" and think they should both be better received. For me, with the exception of the first two the show's mostly had great premieres.
@MrRazza likes counting down with Tony Blackburn @SirTrey Ahhh interesting! My tastes are waaaaay too fluid for me to be able to settle on anything that direct, so well done on your end! And yeah sometimes with next-door episodes the gap is infinitesimally small, so I certainly understand that.
@Mark McCullough On that note, has Davies wholly ruled out returning for a one-off? While I had tons of issues with his arc writing, when he had one offs like Midnight, Turn Left or The Waters of Mars he was fantastic and I'd love to see a one-off idea of his.
@TheNightmareChild @NotsoSmartguy @supermoff, chief of the statistics police @NSSG&SMAF I began watching Doctor Who in summer of 2013 after my roommate introduced me to the series and he'd already seen all of the episodes...he was getting disgruntled with Moffat by then. I adored S5, which even he did, and distinctly remember messaging him after Let's Kill Hitler wondering when things supposedly started getting "worse"...legitimately enjoyed Let's Kill Hitler quite a bit and never really understood the reception. Now, Wedding, yeah, that's when things got messy haha But for me the midseason two-parter worked great, it was certainly crazy complicated but that's not necessarily bad.
@MrRazza likes counting down with Tony Blackburn I'm curious, how did you develop your rating system? I've done a lot of my own rankings for various things and briefly flirted with quarter points before finding it too difficult to apply consistently so I stuck to half points...can't imagine implementing .05 point differences.
@Huknar *Before his final episodes, Ten certainly sacrifices in The End of Time, though he handles it so, so much worse than either of the other two. Nine is composed, Harriet resolved...meanwhile Ten goes on an whiny rant.
1 month ago on New Who Finales in Perspective: Series 8
@Kongosoha, investigating the Other I cheat a bit there too in my usual rankings so I can pack in one more episode...often I'll combine "Midnight" and "Turn Left" since one is companion-lite and the other Doctor-lite. I know there's no real argument there but it's my list haha
But yeah, "Turn Left" directly leads into the S4 finale as much as "Utopia" leads into the S3 finale...
@Ian Chatterton She really does work so much better with Nine than Ten, I enjoyed Rose for the most part in Series 1 - until she became a TARDIS god but that's not on her - but really came to dislike her in Series 2 and beyond.
@91 Queen of Evil Out of all of these I'm most curious about S7 (and amused that seemingly everyone else has S3 at the bottom)...I think having it at the bottom is certainly too low but I'm curious why/how it's your favorite finale, especially ahead of the next two you have ranked.
@TheNightmareChild @NotsoSmartguy @Planet of the Deaf I probably would've had less of a problem with Rose ending up happy (still wouldn't have loved it as I never liked her much, but it wouldn't have been as much of a sticking point) if Donna hadn't gotten completely screwed - against her will - ten minutes beforehand.
@Huknar *A meaningful sacrifice they chose, so Donna doesn't count for those purposes*
@supermoff, chief of the statistics police @SirTrey There's contradictory information on this front...he's been quoted in Doctor Who Magazine as saying he considers Utopia to be a separate story but at the same time it's officially listed just about everywhere as part 1 of a 3 part finale and there's that 200th episode point as well. It's not like I'd argue with someone on that point, I just personally prefer them separated for the exact same reason. Though even if I included Utopia it might not even raise the episode up much, MAYBE above Wedding.
@NotsoSmartguy @StephenAHayes Agreed, I'll at least give them that. I mean, I still think Series 3's rating is, well...bananas, and Series 1 could probably be about a point lower. But everything else seems pretty well within the episode's range if you don't really look at the numbers and just look at the overall rating from 1-8.
@Huknar @supermoff, chief of the statistics police @NotsoSmartguy Oh that's FAR from my only issue with the S3 finale :P But yeah it's a pretty big portion of those issues, though my bigger problem is less in the execution and more in what it results in...glowy Jesus Doctor who basically hugs the Master into submission but conveniently loses his magic powers just before Lucy shoots him.
@Huknar I would contend that my issue with Series 1 is how few of the consequences it actually addresses. Yes, obviously, Nine regenerates. But Rose is basically a-ok. Jack gets resurrected while everyone else is left to die because of what I found to be an annoying habit of Davies'...he had no problem killing off minor character's we'd just met but had a complete inability to let basically any remotely important characters go. I think the Ninth Doctor and Harriet Jones were the only characters with more than one episode's appearance to actually have a meaningful sacrifice that wasn't eventually made better. And the whole "continents are being melted" line is never even remotely addressed so it seems that pretty much the Earth is left to fire and ruin.
Despite everything I just said :P, I still really love the closing, almost entirely because of Eccleston. But boy did it try me to get there haha
@supermoff, chief of the statistics police @Huknar His first finale is his best for me by a pretty decent margin, and even though that one ends in a quite literal deus ex machina, I'm willing to largely overlook that due to the emotional resonance and how amazing Eccleston is during his closing moments. It just feels like a better episode.
It's also easily Davies at his most restrained, before he started throwing the kitchen sink at us...then the kitchen...then the entire house...then the block.
@Huknar @TheOncomingHurricane While I don't necessarily disagree with the idea that TSE/JE wraps things up "neatly" (how well it does that and how fulfilling it is, I disagree with, but not the base premise), I'd say that's largely because RTD really seemed to set up that episode (and The End of Time) as essentially end-of-show episodes and not just end-of-series episodes, tonally.
Of course it feels like the end of everything...not to say that, because of that you disregard it but it's notable that such a feeling isn't really apparent in his other finales. We haven't seen the end of Moffat's run yet and I suspect he'll include some major closure in his as well.