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@MrRazza is regenerating @twoheartsonemind @Castrovalva I see now. Thank you.
13 hours, 39 minutes ago on In the Forest of the Night Promo Pics
@Warpstar That's why I like it. Because the writers are aware of what they are doing with her flaws. As I said in my other comment, that's why I don't like Rose, because although she's flawed and that's realistic, the writers never seemed aware that she was flawed and therefore her flaws weren't used to tell an interesting story, but were just annoying.
13 hours, 35 minutes ago on Another Take on “Clara Who”
@stargazer0118 @Polyphase @BeyondThePolice Twelve feels emotions, as evidenced by his determination to save as many people as possible. His anger at the Daleks and his happiness that Clara wasn't leaving. But he doesn't wear his hearts on a sleeve, like Ten.
13 hours, 32 minutes ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
This article makes a very good point in saying that both sides opinions are justified and should not be put down, simply because someone doesn't agree. I happen to not agree with this article, but it does a good job of describing why someone dislikes Clara and/or feels that "Clara Who" is detrimental to the series.
I personally think that this series has never made the Doctor the antagonist, but rather asked us to question how the Doctor was solving problems. Yes, it did start out that Clara was on the opposite side, but the show never told us that the Doctor was wrong, instead that there were two ways of looking at his actions. Now in the series, especially, there's been an interesting flip flop, where it might be easier to say that the Doctor is moral and Clara is immoral. I think from probably Kill the Moon onwards we've been asked to whether Clara is a good woman, just as we were asked in the beginning the series if the Doctor is a good man. In this way, I find the series is treating Clara and the Doctor equally when it comes to playing both as protagonist/antagonist.
This was my issue with Rose, the writers seemed unaware of her flaws and thus these flaws meant nothing, but with Clara the writers are making her flaws a part of the story and her arc as a whole. I find, this makes her flaws more palatable and means that they have a purpose and aren't just a consequence of the writing.
1 day, 6 hours ago on Another Take on “Clara Who”
@BeyondThePolice @twoheartsonemind Yes, Twelve's approach seems to be to distance himself from others, which makes sense since he relies more on logic to guide him than feelings. Eleven's sudden outbursts of anger were triggered by the fact that he was very much driven by emotion and Twelve contrasts that almost to the extreme, but I think still has moments that show he's caring. He is much more subtle in that.
1 day, 9 hours ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@stargazer0118 @Exalos I don't think the Twelfth Doctor is a jerk. He still very much cares about the people he's saving, but he is being realistic when he knows that he can't save someone and must learn from that to save more people. Yes, he has insulted Clara and others many times, but he wasn't aware that he was being insulting. I think this is different than being a jerk. The way I see it, and this is really down to opinion, is that a jerk is knows they are being insulting and is purposefully trying to insult someone and be rude. I'd call the Sixth Doctor a jerk, because he knew he was being rude (He's still one of my favorite Doctors, though), but I don't think Twelve has that awareness.
1 day, 8 hours ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@BeyondThePolice @Unibot I actually think she's been gaining faith in him, because she's understanding how he thinks when he's saving people.
I disagree that the Doctor isn't caring about the people he saves. If he didn't care about the people he saves, then he just wouldn't save them, but he keeps trying to save as many people as possible, but is aware that he can't save everyone.
I can't understand how anyone could find Twelve to be cold and heartless. Pragmatic, yes. But he is continually trying to save people and help; the entire reason he is being pragmatic is so he can save the most people possible. And it's clear he cares about Clara, The Caretaker relied on this as a plot point and he looked overjoyed to find that she wasn't leaving.
The idea that Twelve's pragmatism is rubbing off on Clara and that she is also picking up his lying and other bad qualities is something I find incredibly compelling. It is very rare in stories that we see a character go "bad", so to speak, and it is something that is truly enjoyable to watch. It has been a clever arc this series, where we began asking if the Doctor was a good man, but are now also asking if Clara is a good woman. That being said, neither Clara or the Doctor are evil, but rather are flawed. I fail to see how you can't be rooting for either of them, because they are still the good guys.
"Liking" a character is not as important as having interesting characters, in my mind. If this was the case then shows like Game of Thrones and Orange is the New Black wouldn't have the fanbases they have. Clara and the Doctor are interesting and that matters more to me than liking either of them (but I do think either is far from unlikable).
1 day, 11 hours ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@BLINKANDYOUREDEAD Agreed. I've connected more to Twelve than any other Doctor. I agree with most of his actions, actually. He's still caring, but far more logical and realistic in his problem solving. As for Clara, her slide towards immorality (if we can call it that) is interesting, which is really all I care about.
@MrRazza is regenerating @Castrovalva @twoheartsonemind Are there no middle schools in England? In the US, we have a school for 7th and 8th graders, so I thought it was weird to have Clara and Danny (who looked to be teaching 9th graders at least) with a bunch of younger kids.
1 day, 12 hours ago on In the Forest of the Night Promo Pics
This looks really interesting. I love the picture of the vines covering the TARDIS. Also, I quite like that all the kids seem to have their own looks, so hopefully we'll get some realistic kids. But I am wondering why Clara and Danny would be with these kids, seeing as they seem to teach upper grades and these kids look 9 or 10 at best, and that's a bit high for some of them.
2 days, 8 hours ago on In the Forest of the Night Promo Pics
1. The Caretaker (10/10) 2. Deep Breath (10/10) 3. Mummy on the Orient Express (10/10) 4. Flatline (10/10) 5. Listen (9/10) 6. Time Heist (8.5/10) 7. Kill the Moon (7.5/10) 8. Into the Dalek (7.5/10) 9. Robot of Sherwood (7/10)
2 days, 12 hours ago on Your Verdict on Mummy & Episode Ranking
Obviously, I think The Caretaker is the most underrated episode this season. I'd actually call it perfection.
@Polyphase He meant the hairband that Clara used to keep the train going, instead of Rigsy having to sacrifice himself.
3 days, 6 hours ago on Flatline Review
@supermoff, agent of C.L.A.R.A. @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. I haven't found her characterization jarring; it's just that in series 7 we didn't know a lot about Clara and that was the point (for better or worse). All we really had to go on for character traits were how she talked to the Doctor and her reactions to different situations. Now, we see much more of her life and therefore have a greater picture of her character. But if you listen to her speak, she sounds the same way she did in series 7, there's just more we know about her and there's been actual character development this series.
3 days, 16 hours ago on Flatline Review
@Antee991166 He's currently tied with Matt Smith for number 1. Capaldi very quickly came into his own and I like his pragmatic problem solving and his prickly personality; considering Colin Baker is my second favorite Doctor (along with McGann) I tend to like that in a Doctor.
@CarmellaRosenbach @MaddyKika @twoheartsonemind I don't know that he was worthy of being a full time companion. But I thought he came across as very real considering he didn't get a full backstory and I thought the actor played off well against Ms. Coleman.
3 days, 17 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
@TheDreamer @The Lazy Tiger Has Scared Off The Lazy Cat That would be fantastic!
3 days, 18 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Flatline
Also, I love the idea that the Doctor is starting to notice the changes in Clara. By which I mean, the lying, the not caring (or at least soldiering on) when people die and really her ability to be him, so to speak. She started this series out as his "carer" and we've seen her move away from that, more out of necessity than anything else I think. But her now almost compulsive lying stems from something entirely different. The Doctor was right it is a habit. The way things are going, the finale doesn't bode well for Clara.
@Diana1992 awaits in the forest....... I think that would actually be really great. I'd like to see Clara turned "evil" even for a little while. Actually, it's probably better if it's only for a little while. But if that happened it would probably end in her death, so maybe not.
Great episode. 10/10. A wonderful concept that delivered. For an episode that had been billed as rather Clara-centric, it had a wonderful balance between Clara and the Doctor. Both shared important parts of figuring out the mystery and in solving it. I thought Rigsy was a very well realized side character. The Thing walk was so brilliant.. I'm also glad to see that the Doctor knows that Clara was lying to him and that she's lying to Danny. Good to get that on the table right away. And that ending. What did Missy mean by "I've chosen well?" Maybe Clara will end up being a trap for the Doctor after all.
@stargazer0118 @Amy is uniting the Earth Kingdom! I disagree. If anything, I feel, it makes those years even more important. It's even more tragic now looking back knowing that those incarnations will never know the good they actually did.
4 days, 16 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@LoneSmoker No article can be truly impartial. This is an op-ed and never pretending to be anything else. He addressed the other sides points and discussed why he disagreed, what an op-ed should do. If someone wants to write an article taking the opposite side, I expect they'll do the same thing.
4 days, 14 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@KingoftheOod4450 I actually think it's quite realistic, though not conducive to a television program where the point is that we need to hear all the words and there's no way we can ask her to repeat them.
I don't have a problem understanding her (maybe because I myself speak quickly, as do many of my friends).
This series has had a lot of Doctor focus as well. There was the "Am I a good man?" arc, which has carried through to as recent as Mummy on the Orient Express. The series is still exploring Twelve's more pragmatic decision making and whether it was moral. Besides, Listen's catalyst was the Doctor's fear and the episode explored that.
Clara's is getting a lot of focus, but it isn't like Capaldi isn't getting any. I'd actually say he's been characterized rather well in this series.
@TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! @twoheartsonemind Agreed, but I'm just saying that they did it to "help" Americans along with the story, which is a pretentious assumption that we can't keep up with the story on our own. I'm an American too and I never really thought about it much, but looking back I find it rather annoying.
4 days, 17 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@ClaireAbraham @ Notsosmartguy Agent of C.L.A.R.A. @Oodkind, now in 2D! Completely agree. He's definitely not uncaring; did you see how his face lit up when Clara said she wasn't leaving? He's extraordinarily pragmatic, which is a main reason why I like him so much as I think in a very similar way and I believe I would've made similar decisions as him. It also harks back to some classic Doctors whose aspects haven't been utilized as much in recent years.
@MR-X Clara happens to be my favorite companion, so of course I'm going to express that now, because she is on the show. Plenty of people have Rose as their favorite companion, but aren't really saying that when they post now, because Rose isn't on the show now.
I do agree that both sides should be entertained, but I think this article did a good job of addressing the issues that the other side has and explaining why the author disagrees. That's how an op-ed, which this is, should be written. Had someone of the opposite view written this article it should have been done in the same way.
5 days, 8 hours ago on ‘Doctor Who’ or ‘Clara Who?’
@Oodkind, now in 2D! I think Clara's been portrayed as wrong many times this series as well, like in Kill the Moon when she decided for all of Earth after she'd gotten their vote or in how she's lied to both Danny and the Doctor. This series has had running themes of morality and judgment that have been expressed through both Clara and the Doctor. Both, I feel, have made morally ambiguous (or at least morally debatable) decisions.
@TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! In fairness, didn't those only play in the US?
Simply adding in aspects of Clara's life doesn't detract from the shows exploration of the Doctor. This series has spent multiple episodes addressing the Twelfth Doctor's motives and how he deals with problems. This started with the "Am I a good man?" in Into the Dalek and has been running into Mummy on the Orient Express. This series also had Listen, which was an exploration of fear and in particular the Doctor's fear. Besides all this, the Doctor is basically a catalyst for everything that happens to Clara, aside from her romance with Danny, which is fine. A companion should have a life outside of the Doctor and we've seen how detrimental not having one can be to a companion.
I think it's also worth noting that having a quieter Doctor isn't a bad thing. Twelve is far more mysterious and quiet than recent Doctors and that's a good thing. There was bound to be a gap, so to speak, because of this and I believe it's the right idea to fill it with a more complex companion (not to say that past companions haven't been complex, but I feel there's an added layer of this with Clara).
I contend that New Who has definitely involved the companion more. Rose Tyler took over the show in many ways (the first episode of the new series was even titled 'Rose'), even in seasons when she wasn't there (i.e. series 3). I feel Clara has had much less limelight than Rose, who I believe had too much. It's all about finding a balance and I think they've found it.
It's also important to note that Clara hasn't been portrayed in a totally positive light, especially recently. She made a decision for an entire planet, was not entirely justified in her outburst at the Doctor, is lying to more than one person and is being more manipulative than we've ever seen her before.
@TheCyberDoctor is Shrinking @ Notsosmartguy likes watching "Clara Who" I saw the second episode and I agree The Penguin was really good, so was Cat Woman, or the girl who'll become Cat Woman, but I think the rest of the characters seem pretty boring. And the woman playing Fish Mooney overacts so much that I couldn't watch any scene she was in.
1 week, 1 day ago on Capaldi vs Coleman in 2015 NTAs
@DawnTime Have you been watching Season 2? And did you see the last half of season 1? The stories got way tighter and the cast had way more to work with. Even, Brett Dalton (Ward) has been pretty good for the parts he's done this season. I happen to think Elizabeth Henstridge and Ian de Caestecker are the best actors on the show, that was apparent from the beginning.
@LGwalchmai95 You will not be disappointed. SHIELD's second season has been really good this far. Even higher quality than the second half of season 1, I think.
1. The Caretaker (10/10) 2. Mummy on the Orient Express (10/10) 3. Deep Breath (10/10) 4. Listen (10/10) 5. Time Heist (9/10) 6. Kill the Moon (8/10) 7. Into the Dalek (8/10) 8. Robot of Sherwood (7/10)
*I give 10s even if I think an episode has flaws. No episode can be perfect and I take that into account with my scoring
1 week, 1 day ago on Your Verdict on Kill the Moon & Episode Ranking
@Old Floridian Yes! Thank you! That's exactly what I've been thinking! A flawed character is far more interesting than a perfect one and people shouldn't get so dramatically upset when a character portrays a flaw, besides this has been what people were asking for.
1 week, 2 days ago on Next Time: Flatline
@supermoff is now in 2D! I like to think there's an alternate universe out there where Jenna Coleman is the Doctor.
@Gustaff @ Notsosmartguy likes watching "Clara Who" @YaelMoise is glad they mentioned the goddess @Clara Laurinda No, she can do many things wrong and this is coming from someone whose favorite companion is Clara. She is definitely incredibly flawed, but that's why I like her so much. I thought she was completely wrong to decide for the entire planet after taking their vote in Kill the Moon, but the fact that it was an interesting direction to take the character, outweighed my anger at what she'd done.
@ Notsosmartguy likes watching "Clara Who" @Scootersfood has 66 Seconds to live... Except in this case, as you can see from the comments, people who voted lights off were asking a lot of questions and putting a lot of thought into their answers.
1 week, 2 days ago on Kill the Moon: Who Was Right? Thoughts & Your Vote
@supermoff is flatlining.. @Calebxy @Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor! What about all the other species on Earth? Aren't they worth saving?
1 week, 4 days ago on Poll: Lights On or Lights Off?
@Browncoat of arms @galactic_unicorn I think that's why I've been able to connect with him so much. I find myself agreeing with the Doctor much of the time. I don't necessarily agree with all the lying he does, but I agree with the idea of saving the many over the few and using what can't be unchanged to solve the problem.
1 week, 4 days ago on Rate & Discuss Mummy on the Orient Express
@TheNightmareChild is havin' a good time! I agree. While my favorite episode of the series is still The Caretaker, I think this is definitely high up in my episode rankings for this series. And was far better than Kill The Moon.
9/10 The entire theme and feel of this episode was truly great. The side characters were all quite good, especially Perkins, and the monster was also very well realized. The Doctor and Clara's relationship continues to be a highlight. I like that Clara basically answered her own question about the addiction of it all in the end and I think this will lead to something bad for her. I hope they explore the addiction of traveling with the Doctor more, because it's a fascinating thought.
Lights off. No doubt about it. It's not only the human race, but all species of Earth that hung in the balance against one creature.
1 week, 5 days ago on Poll: Lights On or Lights Off?
@tom colman @twoheartsonemind I agree very much with you that the Doctor was wrong and also agree that the situation in Cold Blood was very different, as I said in my other comment. The only reason I made the comparison was to suggest that the Doctor has allowed humans to make such an important decision before, but he did it in a very different way and one that was much more fair to his companion. He basically asked Clara to play god in Kill the Moon. If anything, he's closer to that than her and should have at least been there as an advisor. I don't think the Doctor did this maliciously, but instead didn't think about the pressure he was putting on her. However, the Doctor isn't the only one at fault here. Clara actually came up with a way to get a vote from the people of Earth (or at least half of them) and then disregarded it. She, too, is at fault.
1 week, 6 days ago on Kill the Moon: Clara or the Doctor?
@joe4 @gunslinger19 Yes, and it was the most interesting part of the episode.
2 weeks ago on 2nd Opinion: Kill the Moon
"... leaving me uncertain and cynical towards the rest of the series." I think this is a bit overdramatic. No the episode wasn't great and it had many, many flaws. But it surely shouldn't color your thoughts for the rest of the series.
The episode was an average Doctor Who episode, only made above average by Clara's decision to ignore Earth's vote and her argument with the Doctor. It is the ensuing debate from these moments that has made the episode above average, not the episode itself.
I guess it would be good publicity for the show to have Mr. Downey Jr. on, but I'd really rather he not. I may be the only person, but I don't really like him as an actor.
2 weeks ago on Downey Jr on Who Role: “Anything’s possible”
The Doctor allowing humans to choose made me think of that scene from Cold Blood where the Doctor lets Amy and scientist sit down and work out a treaty with the Silurians. While I think this was a much harder decision, it does show that the Doctor has allowed humanity to work out it's own problems before. However, he does seem to pick and choose what he lets them decide and I personally think that he should have at least given his views on the Kill the Moon decision, because he's the most experienced person there. Yes, everyone else is human, but he's been in more situations similar to this
Clara definitely overreacted, but, as I've said before, I think she was angry at herself and thinking irrationally. She did have a good point about the Doctors patronizing nature towards humans.
I ended up voting for Clara, but I don't think either side is completely correct.
2 weeks ago on Kill the Moon: Clara or the Doctor?
1. The Caretaker (10/10)
2. Deep Breath (9.5/10)
3. Listen (9/10)
4. Time Heist (9/10)
5. Kill the Moon (8/10)
6. Into the Dalek (7.5/10)
7. Robot of Sherwood (7/10)
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Your Verdict on The Caretaker & Episode Ranking
I'm going to compare Kill the Moon to a recent movie that threw any scientific accuracy out the window, Lucy. In the latter, the lack of science was distracting. There was no semblance of science even existing, while in Kill the Moon, science clearly existed, but not in the way we know to be correct. I didn't find the scientific inaccuracies of Kill the Moon to be distracting, because they weren't the point of the episode. The point was to look at humanity and morality. Whereas, the point of Lucy was the science, that was inherently inaccurate.
2 weeks, 2 days ago on Kill The Moon Review