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"Yes, he was being a bit of a jerk." He freaking dragged her with him to their deaths just so that he could be proven right in his bigotry!! Forget the fact that we as the audience knew they were going to survive, Clara thought the Doctor sentenced dozens of people (including her) to die just so that he could die with satisfaction knowing that he was right! If allowing dozens of innocents to die just to prove a theory doesn't deserve a slap, then what does?!
11 hours, 4 minutes ago on Another Take on “Clara Who”
@gunslinger19 He freaking made a joke to a soldier about walking in the remains of her brother, who died hours ago. If nothing else, he has a twisted sense of humour. 9, 10, and 11 would never joke about that, having felt loss like that.
11 hours, 11 minutes ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@Unibot Clara DID believe in him, though. In Robots of Sherwood, Clara says of the Doctor, "You're a hero, aren't you? You save people." Clara has been losing faith in the Doctor because the Doctor has stopped showing that he cares about the people he saves, not because she's a horrible person.
11 hours, 14 minutes ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@twoheartsonemind I think the thing that makes Twelve seem cold and heartless is that unlike 10 and 11, if he does something shockingly bad for the greater good, we very rarely see him show remorse for it. For example, in Into the Dalek, he gives someone false hope and then coldly states, "They were dead already," and then proceeds to make an off-colour remark to the soldier about walking around the remains of her dead brother. 10, for example, would've said, "I'm sorry, I'm so sorry." Twelve seems to have learned that it's easier to distance yourself from the people you're trying to save, because then it hurts less when you can't save them.
11 hours, 16 minutes ago on 2nd Opinion: Flatline
@the Doctor's euphonium Thank you for making all these points!! You've literally addressed the only three problems I had with this article.
2 days, 13 hours ago on Flatline Review
The screwdriver was NOT a magic fix-all in this episode. The episode made it pretty clear that the Doctor came up with a way that the TARDIS could return the creatures to their dimension; that's why the TARDIS needed full power. It was the TARDIS that stopped the creatures, not the sonic; all the sonic did was essentially "flip the switch" and activate the TARDIS, because it was a really cool shot.
The resolution didn't seem lacklustre to me. The Doctor said that they needed the TARDIS to be fully powered-up to take down the monsters. He merely used the sonic as a switch to activate the TARDIS.
2 days, 13 hours ago on 12 Great Moments From Flatline
I love "My Angel Put the Devil in Me." Only Doctor Who song I've ever bought.
1 week ago on Who Tunes: Ranking the Lyrical Songs of Doctor Who
@Typo42 I disagree. I think this episode was actually completely imbalanced in both counts. I think that people voted for the Doctor more than Clara because they're used to trusting the Doctor and not the companion (and some people hate Clara), and I think that the "lights on" won because of hindsight and because the Doctor said it was the right decision, and not because it was the actual right thing to do (because I think that it in the context of the episode, not one person would've voted lights on [which is why they didn't]).
1 week ago on Kill the Moon: Who Was Right? Thoughts & Your Vote
@joe4 @LGwalchmai95 I AGREE. When Amy saved the Star Whale, she didn't do it because she couldn't let it die; she did it because she figured out that it wanted to help them and realized that it was the right choice. Clara knew it was the wrong choice for the planet but made it anyway.
@ Notsosmartguy is excited for Captain America 3 @joe4 @ahunter8056 Yeah. But if you choose to shoot your best friend on a whim and your best friend turns out to have been replaced by a robot which was plotting to kill you, then your awful decision turned out to be the right choice. Does that mean you were justified in killing your best friend on a whim?
@TheDreamer @ItsSmallerOnTheOutside His timing wasn't close enough for them to be saved.
@Oodkind, now in 2D! EXACTLY.
@Deus_Ex_Machina Also, and I never swear, but what the **** was he thinking, leaving Courtney with Clara?!! He dragged her along, her not actually knowing how much danger she'd be in, and he put her in completely unnecessary danger!! And the script didn't even MENTION this!
@John Chettiar He got it wrong in Beast Below, but this was an entirely different choice here, because Clara's decision actually should've had catastrophic consequences on the Earth. It was only because the script demanded it that all problems were hand waved away and there were no consequences. In the Beast Below, Amy didn't just blindly save the Star Whale in the hopes that it would stay; she REALIZED that the Star Whale wanted to help them and made her decision based on that. Clara made the decision because she couldn't bear to let the Moon be killed, and that's an ENTIRELY different action.
"Minorities, like the Moon’s “baby”, have rights which are non-negotiable." So much for an impartial analysis. And for the record, who gets to decide those rights? You? And does the life of a single minority really take priority over the trillions of lives of the inhabitants of the Earth (including every form of life?).
@Aikanikuluksi I entirely disagree that Clara is particularly "emotionally damaged" in any significant way. In fact, the most extraordinary part of Clara's character is her resilience; despite having faced trauma and mortal danger time and time again, she still keeps an appearance of normality. Furthermore, she's consistently portrayed as being extremely warm and friendly, very willing to striking up conversations and sharing her problems with complete strangers. I think everyone's "emotionally damaged" to an extent, but Clara is consistently shown to be overall extraordinarily emotionally STABLE, and not needing the love of a partner to survive.
1 week, 2 days ago on Mummy on the Orient Express Review
@Deus_Ex_Machina Suspense over the past week. I'm guessing it was Moffat's request, since the show did leave things uncertain last episode as to when, if ever, we'd see Clara again.
Well-written and interesting! I got a little exasperated at seeing not one, but TWO soldiers in this episode (other than the Doctor). I think they're working that theme in a little much this season :/
1 week, 3 days ago on Rate & Discuss Mummy on the Orient Express
To everyone reading these comments: Lonely George died a few years ago, the last of his species. Would you have risked destroying the entire planet to save him? Because that's what Clara did.
1 week, 3 days ago on Poll: Lights On or Lights Off?
@mashieboyz @TheMysticalFez You forget that if they had detonated the nukes, she would've died when they went off. The Doctor came too late for her to have survived if she hadn't stopped the nukes.
@Arkleseizure I wouldn't have been willing to risk destroying the Earth to save Lonely George.
@JolomontheCube They actually stated during the episode that that wouldn't happen (whether that's true or not is inconsequential, since for some reasons there were NO consequences in this episode anyhow).
@mrpaddy1984 Is that the same woman? It definitely looks like her.
1 week, 4 days ago on Mummy on the Orient Express Clip & Intro
Clara was right, what the Doctor did to her was terrible. Why would the Doctor force her to learn the idea that "genocide is never the answer" when she freaking taught it to him?! What if she made the better decision given the knowledge that even if the Moon wasn't hostile, millions should've died anyhow (the script suddenly saying, "Nope! It's fine! No consequences! We were just kidding!" does NOT mean that a previously made decision was justified. Or what if she realized that she might have kids and grandkids down there and wanted to protect them? She would've died, and here's the kicker: so would have Courtney!! Test Clara or not, but drag an innocent girl into his "game"? That's unfeeling.
1 week, 5 days ago on Kill the Moon: Clara or the Doctor?
@Doc Hamme Even if the spiders were "pointless," they added a level to the mystery of the moon and added urgency and a ton of atmosphere. So they were hardly pointless :)
2 weeks, 1 day ago on Rate & Discuss Kill the Moon
@steammoose I know, right?! And yet the Doctor gambled the life of a teen he happened to bring along on Clara's ability to make that decision!
@Lord Styro the Drashig That was my first impression, too! I hope so. He had a few seconds of screentime last time :(
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Next Time: Mummy on the Orient Express
@The Living Angel / is Regenerating She didn't do the right thing at the end, and that's what really bugs me. The writer really dressed it up to make it look like she did the right thing, but she didn't. She did the wrong thing in context, but because the scriptwriter demanded it, the most basic laws of science were broken and there were no consequences, and thus the writer made it look like the right thing was done. The eggshell analogy was faulty; if the thickness of the Moonshell was proportional to that of an eggshell, it still should've been enough to do some major damage to the Earth, but it didn't. And they conveniently dropped that assumption that it would still do some major damage when they were arguing and made it all about whether the creature would be benevolent. And then the creature somehow produces a massive egg quickly after hatching (never mind that that makes almost no sense biologically or according to mass; how does it produce an egg nearly the size of itself?), so that there would be no adverse effects on the Earth from suddenly losing the move. No, Clara SHOULD'VE made the right decision in context; knowing that if they killed the baby alien, the Earth was safe, and that if they didn't kill the baby alien, millions of baby HUMANS would probably die, she should've let the astronaut do what was better for everyone. To paraphrase Spock, "the lives of the billions of humans outweigh the life of one."
2 weeks, 3 days ago on Rate & Discuss Kill the Moon
@Christoph1337 The biggest problem I had with what the Doctor did, and this is something the episode almost COMPLETELY ignores, is that he very nearly brought the teenager along and let her get killed. If Clara had made the right choice and let the alien be killed (although the writer of the episode REALLY dressed up that decision and also allowed there to be zero consequences to make it LOOK like the right decision afterwards), then Courtney would've died and it would've totally been the Doctor's fault. She's a minor and she was in his care. I say that the actual right choice would've been to let the alien die because before the script did a bunch of handwaving of problems, odds were high that millions, if not billions, of people would die if they didn't kill the alien. How is sparing the life of a baby alien and letting millions of baby humans die the "obvious" choice in context, and the one the Doctor knew Clara would make?! Even the majority of mankind made the right choice!!
@DDBlue @MJJ I'm a big believer in always suspending disbelief no matter how far in Doctor Who (although the messed-up science in this one was actually extremely distracting, because the laws violated weren't laws of time or of death, but of everything), but my biggest criticism of this episode isn't the messed-up science, it's the script making Clara's decision look like it was the "right" decision. It's clearly the wrong decision in context by pretty much every system of morality, and yet the script dresses it up and makes things have no consequences and breaks the rules of science to make it LOOK like a good decision. What kind of decision is sparing the life of a baby alien and by doing so most likely condemning millions of human babies to die instead (including possible descendants of herself and people she knows!).
Still, I give it 7/10 for excellent acting, direction, monster, music, and drama.
I watched this and enjoyed it. Looking back, however, I'm VERY apprehensive about the writing. The direction was fabulous; cinematic, but with practical effects, and making the episode feel appropriately claustrophobic, eerie, and, at times, terrifying. The performances were excellent; Capaldi was good as always, and Coleman was at her absolute best here. But the more I think about it, the more I think that the writer DIDN'T think very much about this script. First off, there are six or seven times the normal problems with the Who Science presented in this episode; this episode required an inordinate amount of suspension of disbelief. And there were also non-science logical gaps; why did humanity send up three English astronauts? In the far future, are all three astronauts most capable of saving humanity going to be English? And a single Mexican company is going to space? But third, and most importantly, the script constantly handwaves massive, MASSIVE problems with the decision Clara makes. Even if the shell of the Moon is proportional in thickness to the shell of an egg, that's still enough mass to cause huuuge problems, but the script waved that issue away. The tremendous effect the lack of a moon would've had on Earth was waved away by the script calling for a new moon (which somehow is around the size of the creature itself; how did it make it so fast, and where did the material come from?). But finally, and most importantly, the script does a ton of dressing up to make it look like Clara's decision was the right one. But when you think about it, it's obviously not! What the three of them knew was that if they killed the Moon, humanity would survive, and that if they didn't, there was a VERY GOOD CHANCE that humanity would be destroyed; certainly, millions, if not billions, would die. Sparing the life of that alien baby should have (if the script followed any common sense at all) resulted in the deaths of thousands, millions, or even billions of human babies, and yet because the Doctor approved at the end and because the script called for no huge consequences, it made it look like Clara made the right decision, and not an extremely selfish decision.
The Lodger for me, followed by The Caretaker and Closing Time. I love his sense of humour, and those are the episodes in which he just went freewheeling with whimsy (most of all in The Lodger).
2 weeks, 5 days ago on Face-Off: Gareth Roberts’ Episodes
@supermoff will kill the moon! @MaraBackman The watch instantly reminded me of the Spy's invisibility watch from Team Fortress 2.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on 12 Great Moments From The Caretaker
@The Little Dalek Everyone's a bit of a prat one way or another. Flawed characters are the best IMO.
3 weeks, 2 days ago on Rate & Discuss The Caretaker
@The Living Angel / is Regenerating I thought he was being REALLY harsh towards Danny. He took his dislike of soldiers to literally ridiculous levels; forgetting his name, being firmly convinced that he was a PE teacher, and being harsher than usual to him from the start. I was firmly behind Danny when he called him out on his actions.
@The Moment Excellent question. Maybe there were a ton of deaths recently and it's the Doctor's fault?
@Goudypies I didn't think it was anything like The Lodger in anything but tone and writer. The Lodger was all about the Doctor failing completely at seeming normal; this one didn't actually go into that very much at all. It was all about Clara, the Doctor, and Danny's relationships with each other.
@JoshThomas ARRRRGH!!!!! I looked it up online, and I am frickin' TERRIFIED OUT MY BLOODY MIND!!! How bad is it, really?!
3 weeks, 4 days ago on Kill The Moon Clip
@JoshThomas Wait, is this a recent thing?! I'm heading back to England in a week after a summer in America...WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!! :O
@LiamTheFizz Like Gallifredimentary! And IceWarrgnious. Fine Doctor Who rock specimens indeed! :P
@TheValeyardsMimeArmy Same here. I don't personally find the Weeping Angels very scary, more startling, but this legitimately fills me with terror.
@CallumSimmons I totally disagree. I think the spiders in The Hobbit were exactly as scary as they should've been. They were the scariest spiders I'd seen at the time, and their speech made them scarier. ("feeeeeaaaast....feaeaaaaast...") Unless you mean the book The Hobbit, in which case, yes, their speech made them somewhat less scary.
@thomasjaffray Are you kidding me?! This is TERRIFYING. How the heck are you distracted by the freaking CGI?! Granted, I was terrified of spiders growing up, but this is fantastic!
@Seaborn W Deadman Looooved that line as a kid. I had to leave the theater when Aragog was revealed :|
@JolomontheCube They did that for the Deep Breath monster, did you not see? It was a combination of really realistic face-paint on the actor and an actual working, moving model of the clockwork man. And weren't the Daleks, robots of Sherwood, bedspread monster, and Teller all practical, too?
1 month ago on Next Time: The Caretaker
@Polyphase @Mockridge Can't disagree more! My favorites of the faves. My philosophy for humour is that you should never cringe at any gag, unless it's in horrifically bad taste, because you'd want other people to think your own gags were funny, wouldn't you?
@joe4 It's a common "malfunctioning robot" effect used in sound editing. It's not necessarily a thing that's likely to happen with real robots, but it's so ingrained in pop culture that it's practically a necessity.
It seems that people who aren't actually Whovians but who watch the show aren't enjoying the series so much so far, given the recent AIs. If you graph the AIs since the revival, they've been slowly going up on average, but now they're definitely going down to series one numbers. Hope they can change that!
1 month ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator