After 15 months of lazily going from 'An Unearthly Child' to 'Engines of War', I finally got to the new series. Fantastic!
@The Lazy Cat is in on the Time Heist @ Notsosmartguy: Time Thievious Racoonus @Planet of the Deaf Oh, while you're still here - you know how we sometimes imagine or joke about Clara's own show (and how other people complain that it's what Doctor Who is becoming)?.. Well, I was sort of bored the other night and had a bit of fun imagining, and ended up doing this:
I thought you may like it or even use in one of your Clara articles or something ;)
7 hours, 26 minutes ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
Well done DWTV, I think this may be your most cruel poll! :D
7 hours, 35 minutes ago on Face-Off: Blink vs Listen
@Rani Nose Clara's splinters were all born to various families, grew up, had lives of their own. It wasn't like the original Clara physically cloned herself, more like her essence set a pattern across the Doctor's timeline so that more Claras were born throughout it. The current Clara being a splinter makes no sense to me, because that would mean that the real Clara somehow disappeared and a new person was suddenly created out of thin air, which is not how Clara's splinters came to existence.
8 hours, 58 minutes ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
@MrRazza, Latest Result: Mr Pink is Human But then the Doctor was quite "cruel and cowardly" in An Unearthly Child, so he still wasn't quite the Doctor that we know, neither before nor after Clara visited him.
10 hours, 18 minutes ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
I don't see why Clara (or any other companion) should need a massive narrative justification to do extraordinary things, because that's what companions do. She doesn't have to be a manifestation of the TARDIS or a Time Lady with erased memories or Missy's agent or whatever to help the Doctor time and time again. She's Clara Oswald, a fascinating character and the Doctor's loyal companion, that's the only justification she needs. Yes, she is helped by an ontological paradox here or a mysterious Missy there, and that's really great to have some cool narrative stuff like that, but it shouldn't overshadow the character. So far I think it doesn't, and let it stay that way!
1 day, 2 hours ago on Open Discussion: Is There More to Clara Than We Think?
@Planet of the Deaf @Dalekium She'll start up her own burlesque group, with Strax and Orson
1 day, 5 hours ago on DWM: Things will never be the same again after Kill the Moon
@Planet of the Deaf @ilyootha @yoshfiction @stargazer0118 @YaelMoise
But Orson is seen wearing the exact same spacesuit in the 22nd century news broadcast, complete with SB6 logo... What's even more curious is that Eleven's suit in Hide didn't have a SB6 logo, and judging by filming photos, neither have any of suits in Kill the Moon!
My theory is that at some point after TWOM, the Doctor gave the original SB6 suit to a NASA-like organisation, which in turn by coincidence issued it to Orson when he signed up for the time travel experiment. Alternatively, Orson could have inherited it from Danny or Clara, who will get it from the Doctor at some point in the future. Either way, the Doctor liked the design and either made a few copies of the suit or went to 4100s and got a few more, but without any logos.
1 day, 6 hours ago on DWM: Things will never be the same again after Kill the Moon
@MaraBackman @stargazer0118 @YaelMoise Sanctury Base logos on spacesuits must be also a part of that fashion then! XD
1 day, 7 hours ago on DWM: Things will never be the same again after Kill the Moon
@yoshfiction @stargazer0118 @YaelMoise Except that it's a 42nd century spacesuit and Orson had it in the 22nd before he met the Doctor.
@Gustaff Because it says "by the end of the episode things will never be the same again due to the Doctor’s actions."
1 day, 8 hours ago on DWM: Things will never be the same again after Kill the Moon
@SonicTheHedgehogRules @Gustaff "I'm pretty sure most modern schools have like 10-20 students like these, and I know from experience."
Exactly! Hence I know from experience that I'll most likely hate the character.
@Regenerated Catterson @RUAZ Courtney is the terrible kid from Clara's flashback, right? To be honest, I don't think I'll miss her much either if she joins Half-Face at Missy's.
@NightRises Do kids really go to sleep that early? As far as I recall I used to go to bed at around 9:00-10:00 when I was 5-6...
1 day, 10 hours ago on The Caretaker BBC Synopsis
@Planet of the Deaf I have to agree. I loved the episode overall, but I didn't start to like it until I was halfway through watching it, and those restaurant scenes didn't help much.
1 day, 10 hours ago on 2nd Opinion: Listen
@KingoftheOod4450 @Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor! Since we saw the effects of saving Gallifrey long before Day (e.g. the return of the Time Lords indirectly caused the cracks in time), I think it always was one timeline.
1 day, 14 hours ago on Making Sense of Listen’s Gallifreyan Gallivant
@Mark McCullough Sorry, what?! I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, because what I think I understand sounds very wrong to me.
Before Series 8 Clara used to receive lots of negativity, people said that she was just a plot device or a mystery in a skirt or something, that she wasn't a real character and so on. I never understood where it all comes from. Yes, it was an ontological paradox that made her meet the Doctor and created a mystery for him to solve, but for the most of S7B her mystery was kept to background, if at all mentioned! I think people were so distracted by the question of what she is that they ignored who she is. One of the greatest things about Clara is that she is a perfectly ordinary person, with no mad Daleks to shape her destiny, with no cracks in the wall to influence her childhood, etc. She's a great character and she helps and saves the Doctor time and time again - not because she is somehow programmed to do so by the TARDIS (or Missy or the Time Lords or whatever), but because she's his loyal friend.
If you propose that she actually does all that because some greater force makes her do so, or that she herself is a manifestation of that force, don't you think it would that undermine her character and make those weird criticisms towards her become true?.. Yes, she is arguably the most important person in the Doctor's life; yes, there is some mystery going on around her and Missy; yes, she deserves her own TARDIS and spin-off (OK, perhaps I made that last one up) - that doesn't mean that Clara can't be just Clara, a great character of her own!
Or am I just reading too much into your post? I'm a bit sleepy now, may easily jump to wrong conclusions...
2 days, 3 hours ago on Making Sense of Listen’s Gallifreyan Gallivant
@Christoph1337 I just assume that "fully grown" means "fully grown children" rather than "fully grown adults", and thus happily ignore your argument.
2 days, 5 hours ago on Listen Review
@Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor! Well, the Master is the latest prior to Jacobi, revived by the Time Lords in preparation for "something" (the Time War, obviously, although they can't mention it!). I have listened to Dark Eyes 2 but not UNIT: Dominion yet, so I'm not aware of the circumstances behind his meeting with the Seventh Doctor, but when he met the Eighth Doctor, he said something like "Oh, so it's this one! I was hoping for the one with the umbrella."
I also can't say anything about the new Rani, as stories with her are yet to be released (but I believe they did confirm that she is a new incarnation, and Peri/Six/Rani stories prior to Mark of the Rani are unlikely).
2 days, 6 hours ago on Listen Review
@pyroclasticflow @ilyootha "Rose's "godlike status" lasted a few minutes"
Which is a few minutes longer than Clara's.
@Amy says Peter Davison is the Thirteenth Doctor!In any case, even without the Time War the Time Lords had means to prevent travel to their own past or future, and at least had transduction barriers on pre-Time War Gallifrey. The Doctor is experienced in penetrating both, though :P
"That is also why Time Lords always met in the right order"
Actually, this is not the case. The latest Big Finish Master is post-movie, but have met the Seventh Doctor. Now they also have a new incarnation of the Rani, who will meet the Sixth Doctor between Mark of the Rani and Time and the Rani, despite both featuring another incarnation of her. And assuming that the Doctor and Romana meet in the wrong order neatly helps to explain away a few discontinuities between different mediums.
2 days, 7 hours ago on Listen Review
@MaraBackman Don't forget Malcom, and perhaps Benton and Yates can make cameo appearances?
@The Lazy Cat Is Baffled By Clara Oswald This actually gives me an idea! After returning home, Orson Pink makes another attempt to travel in time - and misses again, this time ending up in the Universe's distant past, where he then becomes an ancestor of, if not the Other himself. If Orson doesn't reappear and die later in this series, there my headcanon goes!
(Long story short, the Other is one of the founders of the Time Lords society, presumably human or half-human, from whom the Doctor inherited bits of memories and DNA. Sort of. Not considered canon by most fans.)
2 days, 8 hours ago on Listen Review
@ Notsosmartguy: Time Thievious Racoonus @supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... @ilyootha @RUAZ Don't forget Joanna Lumley, who played an alternative 13th Doctor in Moffat's The Curse of Fatal Death sketch!
@RUAZ "the godlike status Clara is at now"
You mean "godlike" as in "absorbing the Time Vortex and having control over all time and space"? Oh wait...
"Clara has inherited regeneration next while the real Doctor is killed off so Clara can take over."
A small part of me now really wants this scenario to happen :P But let's not be silly, this is not going to happen.
@Sherlockian @stargazer0118 Gallifrey or not, the barn should be time-locked regardless. It's a part of pre-Time War Gallifreyan history, meaning that one day it will become a part of the Time War itself, meaning that the time lock should (in theory) make it inaccessible from after the Time War. However, the time lock is penetrable, as was demonstrated several times before. So given that the TARDIS is clever, and that it lands in the very same place where the Moment was opening windows through the time lock, I have no problems with Clara taking the TARDIS there, especially since these events are a part of an ontological paradox ("Moffat loop" for short) and thus are meant to happen as a part of Gallifreyan history anyway.
Furthermore, the Moment is also known as the Galaxy Eater, so the Doctor didn't necessary have to be activate it Gallifrey to destroy it (and himself). I do believe that the barn was located on Gallifrey though, as I can't imagine the Doctor growing up anywhere else. My theory is that the barn scenes in Day take place slightly earlier in Gallifrey's timeline, before the Daleks started massive attacks - that explains why we saw loads of Daleks and their ships in the Capitol and Arcadia scenes but none anywhere near the barn, and how the War Doctor missed Gallifrey's quick tour to Earth and back in End.
2 days, 9 hours ago on Listen Review
@RUAZ "To top it all off Moffat makes Clara the most important person ever in the Doctor's life. Again. Why? Why is she so damn important? How has she earned that right? It's just ridiculous how much influence she has had now and it really demystifies the Doctor's character."
Firstly, why not? :P
Secondly, in Name Clara was mostly undoing the damage the GI did, i.e. she didn't suddenly go and shape the Doctor's entire life, rather fixed what the GI broke! And although we can argue that she did influence a few points of his life by herself (helped him chose the right TARDIS, helped him to get over the loss of the Ponds), basically that's what companions normally do, only in this case the influence affected the Doctor's past rather than present. She didn't shape him as the Doctor in Listen either, merely gave him a few hints - all the development from An Unearthly Child onwards was still ahead of the young Doctor (as confirmed just a few episodes ago, he only turned his name into the promise after Skaro, most likely during Marco Polo where he spent months with in the company of Ian and Barbara - still the most influential companions).
And yes, Clara did all those good things, and helped the Doctor save Gallifrey and his life, what's exactly wrong with that? Who decides who can or can't have the right to be an important person in the Doctor's life? Companions do influence the Doctor greatly, Clara at least does so because she's a good person (she couldn't stand to see her friend dying, couldn't allow genocide, etc.), not because she was somehow destined to do so (*Cough*Donna*Cough*), and didn't become a god-like figure in the process (*Cough*Rose*Cough*).
@Planet of the Deaf @Chris502 And then they put that photo of her in DWM and wrote "You can tell how rebellious a pupil is by the looseness of their tie", which is somewhat ironic now!
2 days, 17 hours ago on Time Heist Promo Pics
I shall spam Tiny Rebel Games with requests to add this Clara's stunning suit into Doctor Who Legacy until they submit.
2 days, 20 hours ago on Time Heist Promo Pics
@MetamorphmagusWho met 7, 8 and Ace @ilyootha @Grumps I too usually look into all filming photos I can find, but later stay away from most clips and "spoiler-free" reviews!
3 days, 7 hours ago on DWM #478: Dark Side of the Moon
@Grumps Filming photos actually reveal some interesting details about the episode - but spoilers, sweetie!
@supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... @pyroclasticflow To be fair, the show wasn't exactly popular among casual viewers at that time, and I can totally imagine Seasons 22-24 (which I don't hate myself, BTW) scaring the viewers off. Still, it seems that certain people at the BBC really wanted the show to be unpopular among viewers :/
3 days, 7 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@dgtwenty Wow, thanks for the statistics! A really interesting read.
@SonicTheHedgehogRules The thing is, the Star Wars universe is entirely owned by one entity that can do with it whatever it wants, and defines its canon. The Whoniverse doesn't have an official "canon", because there is no such entity to have the authority. That's why the BBC have to credit Terry Nation all the time, they own the Doctor but not the Daleks.
However, we do say "canon" in regards to the Whoniverse, usually meaning anything produced by the BBC. This approach, however, is not very definitive, because you get things like Downtime and K9 that just scream "canon" but have nothing to do with the BBC. We do say "Night canonised the audios", but technically it's wrong, because actually a lot of things from NAs and comics appeared or were mentioned in the TV series before ("The Oncoming Storm" title, kronkburgers, the Butler Institute and the Chelonians to name a few, now also Abslom Daak), but it doesn't mean that the BBC regards canon the stories where these elements first appeared. Mentioning Eight's companions doesn't guarantee that the show will never contradict audios now (especially since it's the show that, for example, produced three different accounts on what happened to Atlantis).
So yeah, with no official canon the only canon you have is your own headcanon! Still, the general consensus is that at least the BBC-produced TV shows are canon, so don't expect much understanding from other fans when you claim "Fear Her and Angels are not canon!"
I personally see most things as canon. I don't seek to shoehorn every single story into one mess, but I've discovered that there are actually not as many continuity conflicts between different mediums as people seem to think, and that many things fit beautifully together into a bigger picture. The Whoniverse is far more varied and flexible than universes like Star Wars, which I'm glad is now separated into two continuities - I like my good old Clone Wars away from the abysmal 2008 The Clone Wars!
3 days, 8 hours ago on Next Time: Time Heist
@supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos... @ilyootha One month I can understand, but two?
3 days, 9 hours ago on DWM #478: Dark Side of the Moon
Why does the cover say November 2014?
3 days, 10 hours ago on DWM #478: Dark Side of the Moon
I laughed so much at this header picture XD Brilliant article, I absolutely agree. The show is safe.
3 days, 11 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@JLS11381 - The Veil (SJA), 2 - a Sensorite (The Sensorites), 4 - Abslom Daak the Dalek Killer (DWM comic strips), 7 - The Trickster (SJA)
3 days, 11 hours ago on Next Time: Time Heist
This is the episode I've been
especially looking forward to, so this time I couldn't resist and actually
watched the trailer. My reaction was as following:
"OMG A SENSORITE! JOHN HART! ABSLOM
It's interesting what they turned Cardiff into, ever since seeing the filming photos I was wandering whether that scene will be set in actual Cardiff, or it was just used as a stand-in location...
3 days, 12 hours ago on Next Time: Time Heist
@joe4 @Scootersfood can sense your guilt @SonicTheHedgehogRules Here's a catch question: is the K9 spin-off canon? It's an official televised series... that has nothing to do with the BBC. Or how about Dimensions in Time? Or better still, how about Dimensions in Time and Time Crash viewed together? Should we count both canon, or both non-canon then? And what about these 90s spin-off videos? They didn't have the BBC's license, yet Jemma Redgrave was asked to dye her hair blonde so that her Kate Stewart's appearance matches her appearance in Downtime...
@AlessandroArsuffi @SonicTheHedgehogRules I've seen an explanation that Ground Zero was an alternative fate fabricated by the Council of Eight from the EDA novels (I haven't read those yet, so I don't know any details, but I like the theory), who created alternative fates for a number of the Doctor's companions, and Ace may be one of them.
As for Love and War, I take the original over the audio adaptation, because in the latter the Doctor uses a sonic screwdriver, which I believe at that point he shouldn't even have. I don't view it as one source contradicting the other though, it's more like two different interpretations of the same events, a bit like novelisations.
@joe4 @Scootersfood can sense your guilt @tombaker64 Canon works by every fan deciding what is canon for themselves. That's it. Nobody, not even the BBC, have the authority to officially define canon, because they don't ever own all the elements of the Whoniverse in the first place.
Okay, we need some Dalek squads and the full list of addresses of all households that participate in AI calculating.
3 days, 14 hours ago on Doctor Who Series 8 UK Ratings Accumulator
@Timelordvictorius It could be a primeval or a future Trenzalore, or not actually Trenzalore at all (that would explain why he didn't recognise the planet by its coordinates when he returned there in Time). Block transfer computations and Gallifreyan planet-towing technologies can do wonders, and I'm pretty sure the GI is capable of kidnapping the gang himself...
Still, I prefer to assume that the Time Lords simply have created (or will create) a paradox machine to sustain this paradox, like the Master did in Series 3 :P
3 days, 14 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
@Planet of the Deaf @Doctor Who No More. It's Clara Who ...The Slitheen family!
3 days, 14 hours ago on 12 Great Moments From Listen
@supermoff is playing Grand Theft Karabraxos...Seriously, "Zagreus sits inside your head, Zagreus lives among the dead, Zagreus sees you in your bed, and eats you when you're sleeping!" - doesn't that remind you of anything?... :P
3 days, 20 hours ago on Poll: Listen – Was there a Monster or not?
@Alice_Khromenko The TARDIS sort of has a symbiotic link with its pilot, the Doctor was unconscious, so I presume it got a bit worried.
4 days, 3 hours ago on Poll: Listen – Was there a Monster or not?
@Sugar in Olympia ...What? That was an ordinary Earth toy soldier which originated in Rupert's toy box.
4 days, 4 hours ago on Rate & Discuss Listen
@MaraBackman It did look like a Sontaran, but I can't imagine a Sontaran behaving like this at all!
4 days, 4 hours ago on Poll: Listen – Was there a Monster or not?
@The Mind Probe Are you my mummy?
Someone was making banging sounds at the end of the Universe, and there was something about nursery rhymes... Zagreus/Divergence anyone?