@The firing dutchman Dieppe also didn't have a lot of real strategic value at the time, but a raid is a raid. Most of the lessons from Dieppe should have and were being learned elsewhere. Biggest problem IMHO was that no real assets were dedicated to ensure success. The raid was "forced" and nobody higher up really believed in or was committed to it. Especially since it was essentially a "recycled afterthought."
Also note that originally paratroopers were going to be used in conjunction with the raid. With proper planning, resources and execution, it could've been a bold Commando-style raid better than St. Nazaire.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nazaire_Raid
From the book: "It can be something of a dodge to say important lessons were learned from a failure; lessons are or should always be drawn from all experience......" http://www.amazon.com/Rangers-Dieppe-First-Combat-Action-ebook/dp/B0016IXMVE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408599760&sr=8-1&keywords=rangers+at+dieppe
20 hours, 13 minutes ago on The Dieppe Raid: 72 Years Ago
@The firing dutchman Jim DeFelice's book "Rangers At Dieppe" lightly touches on the subject.
Some things I'd point out from the book.
1. Lots of people wanted FDR's "2nd Front" to open. FDR promised Stalin, Allied countries and populations wanted to see momentum, etc. However starting an invasion of France was not possible in 1942. So one thing to keep in mind it was a "raid" not an "invasion." Churchill and others insisted to focus on Africa at the time while building up for later.
2. The Raid on Dieppe was originally dubbed "Operation Rutter" and was supposed to occur July 7th, 1942, rather than Aug 19. Bad weather and a German bombing of the ships put it on hold. There a few minor changes in plans. Montgomery, (who was involved in early planning stages) recc'd that it be scrapped, and plenty others agreed, yet pressure for some type of 'progress' still existed.
As for planning mistakes, I think a big problem was that nobody was "all in" for the raid, so it kind of sloppy all the way around.
- There was no heavy bombardment, should have had Navy and Air hit the shore and city hard beforehand. Navy wouldn't commit battleships, and a big air raid would cause civilian casualties. Any heavily fortified position should be softened up before you send men with rifles in.
- the "head on" approach without support is foolish. One idea was to use a pincer movement but that was dropped. Allies would go straight into the teeth. Remember Gallipoli?
- Bad intelligence and not taking the German's seriously enough. Aerial shots didn't show everything, there were plenty o tanks hrs away, they didn't even get the occupying German division right. Planners relied too much on wishful thinking on may fronts.
- Landing crafts and landing tanks...other amphibious raids didn't have the same scale of problems...again bad foresight.
-bad comms....while it was 1942, the communication wasn't well, and when you've got a disaster in your hands bad communication only compounds the problem.
20 hours, 29 minutes ago on The Dieppe Raid: 72 Years Ago
Thanks for the scoop.. I've heard of the NRCC but did not know what it was.
I strongly believe that a significant attribute of good leadership is simply creating a healthy environment for progress and success. There's no need to dictate and little need to manipulate when in a good environment. Having the indigenous people do the work....
"One is in the context of non-violent perception management and gradual cultural re-direction. Another is financial warfare Read more: http://sofrep.com/36561/non-violent-unconventional-warfare/#ixzz3Azr9mJAN"
Out of curiosity, how effective would Army SF/"Green Berets" as the are now be at that mission? Does anyone else have a skill set that would be a good fit for that?
Anybody read know the story of the American University in Beirut? Founded in the 1870's by American missionaries, gave many Moslem world intellectuals a more Western education, (Europe had a bad name, but Americans could pull it off at the time) it was great until after WWII when Uncle Sam got overly involved in Middle East politics. Robert Kaplan talks about it some in his book "the Arabists."
21 hours, 36 minutes ago on Non-Violent Unconventional Warfare
@SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) Needs more solar ener...ah never mind.
2 days, 3 hours ago on RUMINT: Kurds Seeking To Establish Their Own State
@Jaycel Adkins @Txazz If a suspect approaches you with a knife, you should expect to get shot.
People (not aiming this comment at you Jaycel) would do well to remember that the perpetrator IS NOT the victim.
2 days, 4 hours ago on Counter-Insurgency in Ferguson
Economics will always have the "Guns or Butter" tradeoff/ debate.. but it seems that if the wolf (or should I say bear) is at the door... a full powder horn is better than butter to churn.
3 days, 22 hours ago on Russia and the West: NATO Enlargement
Ethiopians were similar to the Sudanese in style, and did clash with the Dervishes....beat them badly in 1889... in the last great battle of edged weapons...old-fashioned steel-on-steel.
Battle of Gallabat: http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/battles/gallabat.html
I mentioned the Sudanese because many served wit the British, including in WWII in Eritea, Ethiopia, and Libya.
I have heard that some Ethiopians of the time would cut up live cattle for their meals and would sometimes mutilate bodies of enemies.. Not sure how prevalent it was, was wondering you @YankeePapa know more on the subject. Easy to ascribe the term "savage" on that basis....which of course by no means justifies the Italians. I guess Americans do the freeing, while Europeans bring the "civilizing."
P.s. I've even seen it (Adwa/Adowa) spelt "Aduwa" with a "U". Kinda like the "Irbil, Erbil, & Arbil" in the news these days.
4 days, 18 hours ago on ETHIOPIA AGAINST THE WORLD: Twelve Years Under The Bus
@E Jones @oceanconveyor I find it mildly entertaining when people are in awe of how European countries spend money, little for military and most for "social benefit" or education.
They just don't realized that the US has been the "peace through strength" in Europe since the end of WWII.
Really appreciate the good analysis you put out here on SOFREP, keep up the good work!
4 days, 19 hours ago on Russia and the West: NATO Enlargement
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@Muskrat Diamond plates/rods are the way to go these days. You can use them dry and are simply quicker and more expedient than whetstones, sometimes waterstones need leveling, and of course the water/lubricant should sit first.
Manufacturers usually mention the angle of the blade's edge, but the most important thing is to keep steady pressure and a consistent angle.
Looks like I need to pick this package up, I rarely have lubricant/cleaning material when out and about...Usually just throw in a sharpener or two, honing rod, and some Q-tips to clean out the handle, but I could use something to keep them together.
Bring the sharpening article on, with pictures! Despite how simple it is it can be difficult to master! Seems like everyone has their own little twist to it.
"A good sharp edge is a man's best hedge against the vague uncertainties of life." - Corb Lund from the song "Always Keep An Edge On Your Knife"
1 week, 2 days ago on How To Care For Your Field Knife
"there have been discussions going on in Poland as to whether the Uprising made sense, but these discussions take place between historians and other experts who did not live during the war."
Good distinction. Seems like Poland other WWII subjects get set aside. We have much of exaggerated and romanticized representations of the "French Resistance" because it was in Western Europe, yet other countries (with more difficult languages to learn, I might add) are largely ignored.
It's also easy to forget the bravery of pilots/crew who flew back then...much higher casualties than today...
1 week, 4 days ago on The Warsaw Uprising 1944
@Recon6 @YankeePapa I've read it twice now, not counting several more times I've gone back to it to look up a few things!
It also mentions the "Evil Elves" & "Project Eldest Son" (also known as Projects "Italian Green" and "Pole Bean") that Jack Murphy mentioned here <http://sofrep.com/36152/dear-cia-thank-killing/>
2 weeks, 5 days ago on The Best of SOFREP: Will SEAL Team 6 Kill Chapo Guzman?
Should've given them to me instead! I
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@Fred82 @KineticFury @JHR @genefarnsworth Good point as well. Guess trying to force a simple answer can be akin to putting a square peg in a round hole...
3 weeks, 5 days ago on A Look In The Mirror At Iran Air Flight 655 Shot Down By The USS Vincennes In 1988
@YankeePapa @KineticFury @Coriolanus Just realized you are an actual good example though!
3 weeks, 5 days ago on Three Ways the US Government Could Kill Edward Snowden
@YankeePapa @KineticFury @Coriolanus With all the Americans fighting in other places before Pearl Harbor (England, China...others who deserted or went to Canada or France in WWI&II to enlist).
Something tells me such widespread involvement wouldn't go over too well these days...Where's AW with his "Lawfare" comments?
Not saying it couldn't happen, like if the other countries spoke English...but..."when snakes smoke."
@Coriolanus @KineticFury From what Google tells me, most "denaturalized" Americans were immigrants who were complicit/active in war crimes during WWII. There was a former CIA agent who renounced it...but wasn't able to find any US military cases. Seems like it would be to much of a legal hassle for what I would assume would be a small percentage of problem people.
Did stumble on a few calls to revoke the citizenship of Dzhokar Tsarnaev, if possible. If you could get enough proof...or if he was caught lying...but I think you would have to be a pro bad guy for that to happen these days.
@JHR @Fred82 @genefarnsworth I believe that's what Ollie North stated on his radio interview w/ Jack a few weeks ago.
3 weeks, 6 days ago on A Look In The Mirror At Iran Air Flight 655 Shot Down By The USS Vincennes In 1988
Fascinating story! Admittedly I was in the group of Americans "that know nothing absolutely nothing" on the subject. I knew there was some support from Brazil, but nothing specific.
Would've been interesting to see the "what if" they decided to, uh, "influence" the government later on...or merely maintained a professional force in S. America...
_"A fair number of South American countries petitioning Washington not to employ larger numbers of Brazilians and not to turn them into a military juggernaut… The Americans agreed."
Now we just train everybody...
3 weeks, 6 days ago on “The Snakes Are Smoking” The Brazilian Expeditionary Force in WW2
Has anyone had their citizenship revoked because of a dishonorable military discharge?
3 weeks, 6 days ago on Three Ways the US Government Could Kill Edward Snowden
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At 2:15 was that the same kid the pistol the same with the shotgun clip right before it?
4 weeks ago on Ultimate Gun Fails
Interesting read! I learned something. I never thought about the gases around missiles while submerged.
4 weeks ago on Precision Shooting in Rain, Sleet and Snow
Well I say, welcome! Never got into "Mil-Sim" myself but I'm all for fun, outdoor, team building, recreational activities. Anything resembling a weapon is also a +1 for me. I understand the "stigma" mentioned but I like to judge things on a case-by-case basis (read: I don't judge a sport or game by a couple extremists or posers).
Personally I'd rather see hear and see more "Mil-Sim" than "Call of Duty."
And as Brandon Webb recently mentioned on Twitter...Quote: "Laugh all you want but the next Delta Operator is the 12 year old playing Airsoft Milsim right now."
4 weeks ago on What is Mil-Sim?
Glad SOFREP is reporting this.Saw the OSS Society on Twitter, been following it a while because they have cool historical stuff.
But the building subject hasn't garnered enough attention yet.
In the meantime; SOFREP vs. US State Department. Seriously, I vote we get SOFREP to take over state dpt. Begin infil, can't afford not to!
1 month, 2 weeks ago on How You Can Save The OSS Headquarters From Demolition
Obviously the whole "Iraq" subject is still emotionally charged, but I'd like to mention that it seems to me there is a popular but inconsistent position to take on the subject of involvement in Iraq.
Seems like a popular position to take is "we shouldn't waste lives and money for the Iraqi's and their democracy,(but and screw Joseph Kony and other bad guys in Africa)."
Ok fine. But we didn't go to war just to let Iraqi's vote.
To me, I see an autonomous region of terrorists a bad thing. Lighting them up, if only w/ US air support, is not what I consider an act solely for "Iraqi Democracy." Or a "waste." Granted ISIS/ISIL doesn't have any real allies, but letting rogue terror groups do their thing is generally a bad idea.
"hey let's support rebels in Libya and Syria, and hunt down bad guys in Africa, but not one more dime for Iraq!"
Anyone else get that vibe? I can't quite put in words but in my eyes it's embedded in popular thought.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on An Army Green Beret’s Open Letter to Glenn Beck On Iraq
Also, as a sidenote, I read Lhasa is now 2/3 ethinc Han Chinese....which is somewhat similar to the cultural complexity of Ukraine, where "whose country is it anyways" is at play.
From Wikipedia: "In 2006, Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama declared that "Tibet wants autonomy, not independence."
From this article: "China insists that Tibet will never leave its control. Not now, not 1,000 years from now."
OT, and maybe I'm using my imagination too much, but you mentioned the similar political problems the Kurds had/have, and right now they seem to be of the same mindset of autonomy rather than an outright independent state. The "Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government of Iraqi Kurdistan, Nirchivani Barzani, just met w/ J. Kerry and has spoken boldly but hasn't mentioned the word "independence" publicly. I'm not saying a Kurdish or Tibeten state will never exist, but right now they are plagued with problems, complications, and currentlack of a secure economy to start an independent state. I'd like to hear more on that if anyone's got more to say.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on CIA Covert Operations in Tibet: Part 3
Reading up on the history of Tibet and their relations with China, their neighbors, and the British, and it seems like they never really got along with anybody real well. Didn't make enough friends early on, which demonstrates that just because you merely want autonomy doesn't mean others will leave you alone.
Anyways in early 1913 the Dalai Lama stated "We are a small, religious, and independent nation" after a couple hundred years of back and forth Chinese influence (good & bad). During that time and up to WWII Chinese had their hands full and largely ignored Tibet.
Wasn't until til 1950 Mao's PLA rolled through Tibet and strong-armed the signing of the "17 point agreement" which made Tibet "autonomous" (yeah right, as long as they obeyed the PRC).
Much of the unrest rapidly grew in 1956 when the (mostly) farming economy was overburdened with the Communist system, where all grain was de facto Communist grain and the farmers would be re-distributed some. The PLA was an ever-hungry machine that quite literally ate most of the grain that should've been for Tibetens.Land distribution and forced communal farming is a good way to get blood boiling...(of course Sun Tzu recc'd to support armies off of local population, which keeps the state treasury from emptying but can have catastrophic consequences on the local level, as seen throughout history via every rebellion ever)
Reminds me of pre-American revolution a major spark was heavy British military presence that lived off the locals and in their homes...and also Communism is bad and unsustainable.
By 1958 a growing guerilla force convinced the govt. in Lhasa (Note: ground-up, not top-down) of the cause.
This has been a good series, thanks for providing a lot of detail on a lesser-known subject!
Fascinating post! I am pretty familiar with the well known story of Nate Saint/Jim Elliot. and the Auca's, and I've always been rather intrigued at the "bucket drop" idea. Neat part of a great story. However, I never heard/realized it is the same principle at work that allows gunships to "clock in" so to speak.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on The Missionary And The Gunship
Pretty cool guest! While there is always going to be controversy around somebody like the Lt. Col. North, I for one appreciate the work he's done throughout his (multiple) careers.
Would be great to get him back on, he's got a wealth of information stored up and I really like how he incorporates background history into his discussions.
1 month, 3 weeks ago on Episode 98 – Oliver North On Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
@YankeePapa Even the "300" had over a thousand troops with them!
In regard to politics cleaning out military leaders...didn't Stalin and Saddam both do that? How'd that turn out for them? People who know history are doomed to watch those who don't know history repeat history, if you take my meaning.
1 month, 4 weeks ago on Current assessment of the state of the Iraqi Army
Very good series, I learned a lot. I admit, my knowledge of anything even remotely related to India's military and intelligence is quite dated, meaning I can talk about the Bengal Lancers and Punjab Sikh armies (thanks to the British), along with the British East India company in the Anglo-Mysore wars.
However, anything that is 21st century that I know I have learned from SOFREP. That's why I like all the work done here on foreign countries.
2 months ago on India’s Secret Wars Part 5: Reforming the System
For the record, and since you also mentioned the U.S. Army in Poland, and being not long after D-Day, "June 14 in Poland is commemorated as the National Day of Remembrance for Victims of the Nazi Concentration Camps"
"On 14 June 1940 the arrival of 728 Polish political prisoners began the operation of the Auschwitz concentration camp."
2 months, 1 week ago on Happy Birthday US Army & Infantry
To put the date in perspective, Bunker Hill and Breed's Hill, happened on 17 June, 1775. Col. William Prescott began digging his men in the night of the 16th.
***WARNING*** Book Acquisition Alert:
"The First American Army" by Bruce Chadwick.
He follows eight men who served throughout the war, four of whom were enlisted men, rather than just high-ranking officers. It shows what everyday life was for them and what it was like to be in the Revolution. Opening chapter starts with the Battle of Bunker Hill.
Excerpt from the Author to Reader bit:
"There was no brilliant political theory in the diaries of the men in this book and no majestic lines about the republican government or the rights of man. The common soldiers left the oratory to Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. But there was a constant call for independence and liberty. This is the story of the first American army, who fought hard every day for a cause they firmly believed in and three main goals: 1) stay alive, 2) end the war to get home as soon as possible, and 3) kick the despised British out of the United States.
@YankeePapa YP strikes gold again! Also I was not aware the Tarawa prisoners were Korean, do you know of that occurring elsewhere in the Pacific?
2 months, 1 week ago on D-Day 70 years ago
@TerrilSmoothboreHebert For mechanical or legal reasons? Personally I think if someone isn't comfortable with their trigger or their sights on a CCW, they should replace them, as long as they are from proven, vetted companies that are known for quality.
2 months, 1 week ago on Galloway Precision Trigger Kit for the Bodyguard 380
@ArcticWarrior @KineticFury @majrod 2000 dead at Omaha, the beach we decided to send two divisions over. Up against the 352nd Wehrmacht infantry division, which was one of the few (if any) around that operated at full force with 9 battalions.
For me it also puts in perspective how bloody battles were longer ago. Gettsyburg had over 50,000 casualties over a 3-day period.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on D-Day 70 years ago
@ArcticWarrior @KineticFury I really liked this bit from the first link. "As late as it was, Rommel's program of emplacing beach obstacles between high and low tide so alarmed Allied planners that they changed the timing of the landings from high to low tide, which considerably increased the vulnerability of those making the initial landing — especially on Omaha Beach. In dealing with the airborne threat, Rommel ordered telephone poles and concrete posts — nicknamed 'Rommel asparagus'."
And "Unlike other senior army leaders, Rommel had had experience with the air power the Anglo-American powers would bring to the battlefield, as well as with their immense logistical capabilities. For other German leaders, especially Hitler, American and British military capabilities simply did not appear nearly as threatening as they did to Rommel."
@majrod @KineticFury From Twitter... https://twitter.com/RoyalAirForceUK
@ArcticWarrior "What if..."
I often think that in the context, "what if Hitler didn't waste so much on the Eastern Front?"
Rommel was left with the defenses, which is odd, considering he was more of a lightning-fast, smaller tactics kind of guy. Read the "Humanities 360" link below, Rommel wasn't given what he needed. Pride gave Hitler a crazy mixture of arrogance and ignorance. The German's could have easily really beefed up the French coast, but fortunately they failed to take it seriously enough. I mean lot's of German officers all over the place were on leave or partying on their comfortable French station. Apparently an allied deception caused them to think we would invade at Calais, to the North, closer to Dunkirk, which is a shorter distance across the channel.
Maps of the German side from http://ftp.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/UN/Canada/CA/Victory/Victory-3.html
@ArcticWarrior @KineticFury Just recently streamed a show called "Nazi Hunters." Where after the war they hunt down or discover what happened to some bad people under Hitler. Thank God they had film, lest we forget the horrors. The more I read, see, and hear about what went on, the more I appreciate those who fought against the Third Reich.
I'm not saying all the gunslingers were a white-hat or a black-hat, but there was a lot of evil stopped.
@ArcticWarrior The second time in his life people couldn't keep him off the beach. That's one for the history books.
Had a great-uncle who was in the Korean War, always had the hat and everything. He just passed away this year, after which I found out he had been at Normandy, later in the day. Lots of us never knew about it.
There's no way of telling all the heroism that day, the individual courage of faceless men won that day.
Germans elsewhere were under the impression that the invasion was beat back, as the movement stalled at Omaha. What made the difference is a few men getting up of their own accord and doing what the could with what they had.
It is amazing what they were able to accomplish considering the state of disarray their units were, and with abysmal communications.
Here's an infographic I saw today that shows the sheer volume of men and machines in Operation Overlord. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>MT: D-Day Infographic from BBC Education. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23DDay70&src=hash">#DDay70</a> <a href="http://t.co/zFq6AeLLPd">pic.twitter.com/zFq6AeLLPd</a></p>— Royal Air Force (@RoyalAirForceUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalAirForceUK/statuses/474900526292008961">June 6, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
2 months, 2 weeks ago on 70th Anniversary of D-Day
As @LawyerHandle and @ArcticWarrior discussed below, one of my biggest questions is, why no rescue?
Granted State Department has been trying to get talks going for several years, which, I still think is stupid. Even Karzai didn't think it progress.
In an article shared by B. Webb and @majrod (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html), it's mentioned that people began to question all the effort behind the search for one guy who abandoned his post.
My guess is that nobody *really* wanted to dedicate or risk the assets to pull off a rescue. Petty Officer Nicolas Cheque (Navy SEAL) was killed in a rescue of an American doctor in December of 2012, and in another instance hostage Linda Norgrove was killed during her rescue attempt.
But I'm going to say the route taken was used as a "PR victory," where someone can claim progress is occurring while emptying Gitmo. Hint hint....POTUS.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on Only US POW in Afghanistan Released
Using a percussion rifle is akin to time-travel. I'd highly recommend trying one out, it feels like history! It's been years since I've used one, and I have recently had the itch to get one.
Haven't yet fired a flintlock, but maybe one of these days, maybe from the Baker or Kentucky long rifle families.
The Napoleonic Wars, for better or worse, were of the flintlock era, but that was when civilian hunters and inventors began pioneering a more advanced way to shoot.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on How Do Caplock [Percussion] Firearms Work?
Outstanding interview! One of the most interesting I've seen here, excellent find. Especially since it's a rather rare subject.
2 months, 2 weeks ago on A Greater Share of Honour and the South African Recces
Was the dog tiger-striped? I admit it's pretty cool paint job on some breeds.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on MARSOC in Watan: The Ambush Patrol
Quite honestly I'm surprised we haven't seen more "Mumbai Style" attacks. Thanks for the book recommendation, I'm definitely picking this one up. It's only a matter of time before someone else tries to repeat or "rhyme" with history
Also great job putting, lot of info in such a small piece!
2 months, 3 weeks ago on American Terrorist Operative David Headley & The Bloody Siege of Mumbai
@YankeePapa What'd they learn? USA's phone number..."Hey we got ourselves in a bit of a situation, and were wondering if you'd come over and give us a hand."
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