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@paulcarr seriously, just stop it. What am I using them as two examples OF, Paul Carr? Examples of individuals I know to have written lies about Steve Jobs? Or examples of people who are members of an industry which regularly peddles in lies and rumors?
I did not say that either of those two have lied about Jobs.
But I will say that Paul Carr is an example of those who quote other people out of context in order change the apparent meaning of what was written by others.
Is that careful enough for you?
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@paulcarr oh my god, really? I have to quote myself again? Here: "I've seen writers like Manjoo and Lacy "
Key word, for those who don't read for content (which I always used to think was a redundant phrase): "LIKE". As in, i"m using these two as examples to sketch out the scope of a larger set of writers/pundits/whole-broken-"industry" of click-whores. Do you get it now?
I'll go blind from this much self-citing.
@Nathan_Pensky Are you in charge of exercising the fallacy dog at Pando?
"Everyone else is doing it, so it's ok".
Should I give you to response my mom gave to me when I was like, EIGHT YEARS OLD, when I'd try to use that reasoning?
Keep those standards high, dude.
@Nathan_Pensky You "disagree" with something you only have to scroll up a screen or so to see?
I write a response to someone else's content and you respond with nothing but:
"At least she has a name, "godofbiscuits."
You tell me, Nathan, what's the implicit accusation in that?
@Nathan_Pensky you just did it to me 30 minutes ago.
@Nathan_Pensky Then you don't know how to read. I made comments about tech punditry in general who regularly cite "sources close to ___", or just "reliable sources" and then proceed as if it's truth.
Or worse, pundits inserting themselves into the narrative and making the stories they write about ultimately about themselves and not the original topic...while STILL claiming to be some kind of objective observer.
The only thing i accused anyone specific of is that Lacy calls herself a reporter. If that's accusing her of stating a mistruth, there here: You can find me on twitter with the same name as my commenting username, and from there, anything else you want to know. Livefyre is a commenting system for chrissake's. If you're depending on that for bullet proof identification...just, wow.
@Nathan_Pensky Yeah, cuz you'd never resort to attacking the person instead of the argument.
@Nathan_Pensky Wow. You've just *completely* disarmed the content of my argument without using any fallacies!
My name? It's Ad. Ad Hominem.
I've seen writers like Manjoo and Lacy "report" "facts" about Steve Jobs while he was alive, knowing they carry the burden of fact, knowing they carry the burden of reality, knowing damned well they are amplifying the information they are reporting.
And yet compared to Sorkin's work on _The Social Network_, they've disseminated more outright lies—sorry, statements at variance with reality—than Sorkin did, or Sorkin will ever do.
Sorkin's telling you up front that he's in the business of Story.
Lacy dares call herself a reporter.
@sarahlacy Damn that William Shakespeare for writing Julius Caesar speaking Christian-derived idioms!
I mean, damn that Aaron Sorkin for making himself part of the story he's writing about. Whooooops.
You praise an article damning a script that isn't even made yet, written by a real person, which contains information suggesting intimate knowledge about Steve Jobs which the author can't possibly know, but it's "Hollywood's lies" that you on your moral high horse?
You can't even let this article stand as someone else's article, "journalist" Sarah.
@guiame @jimhass A whole 15%
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@Nosferotica @Chuckocalypse @jimhass Those crazy founders pushing social morality like "all created equal", "all deserving liberty", "all deserving the pursuit of happiness'.
There's a difference between ethics and morality. Extreme leftists can't wait for a presumed-better tomorrow to arrive fast enough, and conservatives prefer the past to any future.
@Nosferotica @Chuckocalypse @jimhass By that brilliant "logic", where two or three are gathered, there is proto-facism?
Say, you're not a teen whose read too many contrarian texts, are you?
@Ph3v3r This is such bullshit. You drive on roads. You drink clean water and breathe clean air. You have phone service and police and fire and emergency medical services. You have safe restaurants
A fair share is whatever it takes to keep the system working and keep democracy working.. That means a higher tax rate for the richest, so that nobilities-over-time don't form and that the poorest of the poor don't end up so disenfranchised for so long that at the rich end they become untouchable and at the poverty end, there is hopelessness and therefore no participation.
NO ONE who pays in no income tax in the first place gets any tax refund on those no-taxes ever paid. That's just a lie.
@JosefNusber And I'm sure the clean water he drank, the roads he drove on, the clean air he breathed, and the rest of the infrastructure that he availed himself of—including the tax breaks that Facebook got—none of that gets thrown in there, huh?
"Forcibly confiscating wealth". Gimme a fucing break It's called levying taxes, and it goes to pay for real things that real people need every day. Including providing a safety net for those who can't afford the "luxuries" of healthcare, food, shelter and other necessities.
"Looting" my ass. YOU stop using the roads and the rest of the infrastructure ENTIRELY, then you can go back to bitching.
@EricCole They used to be the same thing. They're SUPPOSED to be related....y'know *representational* government and all of that. But someone decided to go for brinkmanship and personal/party gain by blaming the government for everything and offering the biggest entitlement of all—freedom from personal and collective responsibility—to any Americans who would take it...so long as they would vote for him/them.
It happened on that one "Morning in America" back in 1980. When the Great Society started getting officiall dismantled by the President of the United States.
@Chuckocalypse @jimhass Really? Leftist? Like the American Right Wing calling for no less than the end of civilization if gay people are allowed to marry? You mean like that kind of leftist extremism?
Or blaming hurricanes on god being pissed off at the liberals?
@erbo Yes, much better not to participate in the world at all. What a ridiculous argument.
@ahoff Oh yeah sure, no personal integrity or ethics at all. For anyone. No spirit to any law.
@s0urce_c0de No one is saying he didn't have the *choice* to do it. In fact, calling him a scumbag is predicated on him having the choice to do this or not.
And he's a scumbag.