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3 days, 7 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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And the Whoniverse discussion is troll free.

3 days, 7 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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Moffat won't be pleased. Now back to a more pressing matter, why is there a man with a gun on the roof oppos.......

3 days, 7 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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Maybe we'll see Jack when Nine shows up in next year's finale.....10th anniversary of New Who and all that.

Eccleston won't come back, you say? Well what's the cliffhanger Moffat teased that we'd never guess then?

3 days, 7 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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We don't want Jack or River, we want JAMIE!!!!!

3 days, 7 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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Very much the same for me. Deep Breath was really discouraging and despite some good episodes, it feels as though the show and myself are slowly heading in different directions. I still like it, but it isn't as special as it once was.

3 days, 8 hours ago on “Jack & River Returns Would Have to be Seismic” – Moffat

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@Chris502 @The Watchful Guardian At least it wasn't about the Abzorbaloff

6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@You_Will_Obey_Me Go on. It's Christmas. Stop being so 'bah humbug'.

6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@The Genie, Agent of JACKIE Nope. Haven't used chat for about a year.

6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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We never came to an agreement on this so I'm reposting it:


I address my fellow members here at the council of discussion concerning matters related to the Whoniverse discussion to make a suggestion which I wholeheartedly recommend to be passed with the slightest delay and to this end I recommend on a general vote rather than to waste valuable time discussing the matter in an inter-departmental committee. This idea which I seek to set in motion is one of particular delicacy which will require a mature and responsible response from you all if it is to become Whoniversal law.

The matter, which has risen to my attention and I now seek to draw your attention to, is the following:
A certain acquaintance of mine, whom for security reasons will remain unnamed, brought forward the issue of specie-al discrimination in Doctor Who. Humanity has been given many of the 'special' days in the earth calendar despite the fact that, as my colleague has pointed out, that humans are only one of many creatures to walk this wonder planet known as Sol Three or Earth. Every day in this year has in some form or the other been allocated to a human achievement which is unreasonable. On occasion a day is given to the memory of some lesser being than even humanity: National Sheep Dog Day for example. It is most unreasonable to suggest that the supreme beings of Earth (who are equal and greater than any human) should not even have one day to themselves while the canine beasts are given a day because they can run in a field and bark. It is ridiculous.

Therefore my acquaintance suggests that at least one day should be given to the aquatic rulers of the Earth. The proposal I suggest is that the 26th of February should be given the title: Universal Sea Devil Day.
Do you say 'Aye' or 'Nay'?

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6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@You_Will_Obey_Me Trevor isn't made up. He's real. He's standing next to me now offering me more mulled wine.

6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@TheValeyardsMimeArmy @The Watchful Guardian If you need someone to pose for you, I hear that hireaseadevil[dot]com is the place to go.

6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@doctorwhotvuk Just to point out: You may not have me on your list of active members which you posted a few months ago because I was avoiding the site while Series 8 aired so that I could go into episodes spoiler free. But I am back now.

1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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A brief comment/question on the Name of the Doctor (the episode):

There has been a complaint that Clara has too much influence on the Doctor's life and I agree with the criticism to an extent. But does the criticism miss the storyline of Name a bit? I don't think the story told in that episode is that Clara inspired the Doctor to take the right TARDIS. I thought the point was that the Doctor did chose the right TARDIS initially, but the GI entering the timestream caused him to choose the wrong on which meant Clara has to lead him back to his original choice, the TARDIS we all know and love. Likewise most of the influence she had was similar, she didn't change time but restored time. Now this doesn't mean that Name's other flaws are solved. But it is worth pointing out Clara's influence is only there to maintain the original timeline, not cause the original timeline.

1 week, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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The strange thing recently with DW is that we don't actually see the Doctor take the companion somewhere for fun very often. In fact only two episodes out of 12 in Series 8 did the Doctor do so: ROS and KTM. The reason for the setting of the other episodes was something else:

1) accidental crash in Victorian London

2) Doctor wants help investigating a Dalek

4) Doctor wants help investigating a monster

5) Someone 'kidnaps' the Doctor and Clara to make them rob a bank

6) Earth invasion

8) Doctor wants to investigate the Orient Express

9) TARDIS is dragged off course

10) Earth 'invasion'

11/12) The Doctor and Clara search for Danny

1 week, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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If my memory serves me correctly, the last five Christmas specials have all started with a shot in space, usually of a planet? Would you like to see LC follow this trend?

1 week, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Moffat didn't feel that sending Amy and Rory off in 45 minutes (twice) was rushed nor sending Eleven off in an hour. An hour is plenty of time.

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Last Christmas BBC One Time Confirmed

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Depends of you were on a hill looking down at it in a valley....

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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On the topic of the Weeping Angels:

Quantum-locking: the ultimate defence mechanism of the Weeping Angels. However could it be that the lonely assassins are actually quite easy to kill? This is my theory: when observed Weeping Angels turn themselves into stone in order to make themselves invincible. But that surely means that when they aren't observed, they aren't invincible? If they are always indestructible, then why bother quantum-locking? Admittedly they do have the ability of super speed when unobserved (so forget about firing a gun at one while looking away), but say you detonated a bomb in the area where you knew a Weeping Angel was (while looking away), presumably you would kill it. After all, it won't have in its stone form.

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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It's probably been raised before by why are we calling him Santa Claus and not Father Christmas?

2 weeks, 3 days ago on Last Christmas DVD / Blu-Ray

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Sylvester McCoy at the Premier of the Battle of the Five armies:

http ://youtu.be/QTMdZ-cQCLg

If anyone hasn't been watching the Hobbit films but would like to see what dear old Doctor number 7 has been up to, here is a short clip:

http ://youtu.be/Fm7uU8rlv8Q

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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So we're into the month of December and Capaldi's final test is just around the corner. Almost every one of his 'becoming the Doctor' boxes have been ticked. He's said his first lines, chosen his costume (sadly not shown on screen), appeared his first episode, completed his first series, and off screen Capaldi has befriended the fans of the show (even doing a world tour to promote the series).

But in this modern era of Doctor Who, there is one more task: can he be the Doctor at Christmas? David's merry Doctor started the tradition and Matt's fairytale Doctor was right at home during the festive time, but how will Capaldi's serious Doctor cope with the season of goodwill?

As always, time will tell.

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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True, but there's no evidence to suggest it is. If one in ten people who watched the episode on first viewing rewatched it just once then the Live+7 figures are high but without anyone new actually watching it.

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Weirdly enough I had a very similar idea. Maybe have another 'team' episode where the Doctor assembles a team of individuals from throughout time to break into a camp.

2 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Plus the comments on that article are now fairly inactive. So I thought I'd come here and talk to it with people who are more likely to be friendy about it even if they disagree.

2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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It's not just the iPlayer figures though. It's also the BBC 3 repeats.

And again BBC 3 + iPlayer hits don't show who is watching it. For all we know there could be no unique views. All the views could just be people rewatching.

2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I've considered writing an article but I don't know if I could take the backlash from commenters on article pages

2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Rumour alert:

If Clara does leave in the middle of next series, wouldn't it be interesting if we didn't know which episode it would occur in. Especially if she and the new companion overlapped for a few episodes. It depends on what location shoots they had. For example if Kill the Moon or Mummy on the Orient Express had been her last episode, we wouldn't have known which it would have been just from the filming pictures.

2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I wish people would stop using the Live + 7 figures to say that series 8 is the most watched series since the reboot. The problem is that the figures show that the show is being watched, but not 'who' is watching the show. I personally predict that the majority of the Live +7 figures will be people rewatching the show. But the point is that we have no way of knowing, therefore the figures are inconclusive. We can't use them accurately to predict how the show is doing in terms of ratings: either to say that the show is doing well or poorly. Plus comparing Live+7 figures from Series 8 to non Live+7 figures from another series makes the conclusions drawn even more flawed.

Also could people please stop using the 'mean' (at least only by itself) to calculate the average. For data which is so obviously positively skewed, please use the median. Much more reliable way of finding an average in this situation.

2 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Probably should throw in a honorary mentions to Mr Cribbins and Miss King who have two Christmas appearances despite not being a companions.

3 weeks, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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With three Christmas specials to her name, Miss Oswald overtakes Miss Tate, Miss Gillan and Mr Darvill as having the most appearances by an actor/actress who plays a companion in Christmas Day episodes. In fact, if the Clara at the end of The Snowmen is the 'proper' Clara (as opposed to one of her echos) then 'proper' Clara also has a record of three appearances.

3 weeks, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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It was more in reference to the comments in the article page. Sorry if I offended you.

3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Is it ironic that people are celebrating this? As in the argument is that: the gender of the writer isn't important (aka both genders can do it), but now people are celebrating Catherine because she's female.

3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Another Torchwood writer said he was writing an episode a few years ago but it was never made so remember that things can change.


3 weeks, 4 days ago on Torchwood’s Catherine Tregenna Penning Series 9 Story

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@doctorwhotvuk That's a shame. I voted Tennant because he was my first Doctor and I imagine for lots of recent fans he was. But it's a pity others are seeing it as a 'best Doctor' poll.

3 weeks, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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The big question coming out of Series 8:

Capaldi: shorter hair (Deep Breath style) or longer hair (Death in Heaven style)?

3 weeks, 6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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@The Finn @The Watchful Guardian According to the TARDIS wiki he did: http: //tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Eighth_Doctor

See casting at the bottom of the page.

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Eccleston did as well, didn't he?

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Rats, that's a pity (for my article).

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Depends what you're looking for. You can't really use those figures for comparison unless you have similar figures from other episodes.

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Now that we have all the final viewing figures, would anyone like to see an article analysing them? I'm happy to write one if I get the time to. I do have some initial interesting things to mention. I'm not just going to calculate the mean and tell you the exact things you've already discussed in the comments.

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Is anyone else sad that the Doctor has forgotten about Handles' final 'request'?

1 month ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Since the TARDIS Data Core isn't run by the BBC, how can it be 'official'?

1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Thank you.

It wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I suppose it helped that I was away when the series started so I had to catch up and was already avoiding DWTV while I did so.

To be honest, this series was brilliant at points and there are things like Coal Hill which I've failed to mention. But it was really in comparison to other series that made it just not so spectacular.

1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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It left some holes and there were parts didn't make much sense:

-surely Clara must be pregnant (or no Orson)?

-why didn't the Brig follow Danny's orders (or are there now lots of Cybermen roaming around with non-working inhibitors [which don't work on Danny anyway?]?)?

-Cybermen now have the ability to kill Time Lords and prevent them from regenerating?

-why are the Cybermen obeying Missy/where did that bracelet come from?

-where did the Cyber-water get all the metal from for the Cyber-suits?

-what happened to Missy's TARDIS?

-are all the graves from New York in the 1930s now inhabited by non-living Cybermen as Missy couldn't have travelled there to collect people's consciousnesses?

-what happened to the cremated or those whose bodies were destroyed?

Also some of the questions raised from Dark Water also weren't answered.

I'm also slightly disappointed with the last scene/shot of the series. I guess that's just because the last two series had such iconic endings, this one felt a bit 'meh'. Also I would have liked to have seen John Simms' Master back if just for a flashback.

Finally I wish Kate Stewart would become her own character rather than a character who is constantly defined by her father. After all that's why she dropped the Lethbridge from her name.

Reminds me of: The Poison Sky (7)

Rankings (out of 10):

Listen: 9

Mummy on the Orient Express: 9

Time Heist: 8

Kill the Moon: 8

Into the Dalek: 8

The Caretaker: 7

Death in Heaven: 7

Dark Water: 7

Flatline: 7

In the Forest of the Night: 7

Deep Breath: 6

Robots of Sherwood: 6

Overall, Series 8 wasn't the greatest series of Doctor Who. In fact, it wasn't even close. But like most series, it has its moments. And it had a 'classic' episode which was severely lacking in Series 7. Capaldi was rather delightful throughout. Clara suffered from slightly rushed story arcs. Danny was magnificent. Missy's story arc was poor with no payoff for the search for the Promised Land. While the series sadly lacked a first world war episode, I was impressed with the series' theme of 'soldiers, their lives and their ghosts.'

Series ranking (mean episode score):

Series 1 (7.85)

Series 3 (7.77)

Series 5 (7.69)

Series 4 (7.69)

Series 8 (7.42)

Series 6 (7.31)

Series 7 (7.23)

Series 2 (6.91)

1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Hello everyone. I'm back after watching a spoiler free series of Doctor Who. I do actually recommend it. It's nice going into episodes without knowing much about them. I don't know how you found the series. I imagine I've missed much discussion and dissection. I've included below my thoughts in each episode for those interested.

Deep Breath (6):

And Capaldi's era is off to a flying start!! Or not as the case may be. It's long, overly padded and just frankly unenjoyable. It just never seemed to get going. One or two scenes hinted at greatness (the tramp scene), but the episode just failed to please. For an episode which lasted longer than The Day of the Doctor, I had hoped that they'd have time to show us the scene of Doctor choosing his costume. But that establishing moment never came. Oh well. Let's hope the series can only get better (and we did finally see the face of the man with more Whoniverse appearances since the reboot than anyone else. Hurrah for Paul Kasey.)

Reminds me of: The Snowmen (8)

Into the Dalek (8):

This is a bit better. A lesser version of Dalek and a better version of Let's Kill Hitler. Strong secondary cast and an intriguing look at the Doctor's attitude to soldiers. Danny Pink is particularly wonderful. Oh and it seems if Mr Ford doesn't know what the word 'divinity' means.

Reminds me of: Asylum of the Daleks (9)

Robots of Sherwood (6):

No Mark, no! How could you! I really wanted this to be a great episode and it was a mile from that. Terrible use of setting, the Merry men and of Robin Hood. Robin spends the episode acting as an annoying robot only to reveal he isn't actually a robot? If he wasn't a robot, why make him so robot-esque? Why make him so inhuman? The spoon fight was great and Ben Miller did a good job, but after three episodes Series 8 is a mess. And it's up to the head writer to fix it. Can he?

Reminds me of: Victory of the Daleks (7)

Listen (9):

Like Bob the Builder, yes he can. The Moff writes his best non-special script since The Eleventh Hour and isn't it a belter. I don't think I need to tell you how great this episode was. I imagine you already know.

Reminds me of: Silence in the Library (9)/Forest of the Dead (9)

Time Heist (8):

I really wasn't looking forward to this episode. Mr Thompson just hadn't impressed me, but he definitely has now. A wonderful episode with a good secondary cast and nicely thought through unexpected twist. Two questions: was breaking into the personal vault really as simple as climbing through the ventilation shafts? Why didn't the Doctor try to summon the TARDIS with its key: The Time of the Doctor style? Oh well, it doesn't really take from the episode.

Reminds me of: Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (8)

The Caretaker (7):

Gareth Roberts said that he overused the Cybermen in Closing Time. I would have said he underused them. Anyway he definitely underused the Skovox Blitzer in this amusing and enjoyable story. The Caretaker is far from the best story of the series, but it's a decent episode. I've been impressed by this second quarter of the series, much better than the first quarter.

Reminds me of: School Reunion (8)

Kill the Moon (8):

This could be the best episode of the series. Or it could be one of the worst. I really don't know. It's wonderful drama, but it also has so many flaws. I'm inclined to agree with Mr Selby about the 'special' conversation though I was impressed by Courtney's performance on the whole. Overall it's a very good episode which wants to be but isn't a great episode. Oh love the Doctor's new theme music, but please Capaldi don't wear that shirt again. It's horrible.

Reminds me of: The Waters of Mars (9)

Mummy on the Orient Express (9):

This is amazing. A truly delightful episode which is fun, clever, reflective and dark. It has a strong secondary cast (though I would have liked to see the other scientists talk a bit) with the brilliant Frank Skinner making a guest appearance. That scene when the Doctor takes Maisie's place as the Mummy's victim is really a great Doctor defining moment. And that scene on the beach is lovely. Really warming to see the nicer side of the Twelfth Doctor. One question: if Gus arranged the whole trip why were Maisie and her grandmother allowed to be on the train? As potential victims of the Foretold?

Reminds me of: Voyage of the Damned (9)

Flatline (7):

A decent episode. Didn't feel as though it was anything special. The sonic (sort of) saves the day, but it wasn't too bad a scene. The Doctor's speech made up for it.

Reminds me of: Fear Her (5)

In the Forest of the Night (7):

Where was everyone? Even if everyone forgot the trees, what about the animals? Is no security service going to try and trace the mysterious phone call from a mysterious girl telling them not to hurt trees and her sister to come home? What about Nelson's column? Why was the tiger really so terrified by a torch? This episode asks lots of questions, but that doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable. It's a decent episode.

Reminds me of: The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe (7)

Dark Water (7):

If I was to describe this episode in one word, it would be: unsurprising. Despite going in spoiler free, this episode just didn't surprise me. Please forgive me if I sound arrogant (I don't want to be, I'm just trying to be honest) but most of the twists I guessed before they happened. Even those I didn't, didn't shock me. They felt predictable.

One paragraph on this: Our society can, in an right attempt to combat hatred, at times lose sight of the importance of distinctiveness. To prevent sexism, it sometimes devalues gender and it feels as though this attitude which leads to recasting the Master as female. I personally disagree. It is from acknowledging our differences that we learn operate as a society, not from ignoring them. Therefore I believe that distinctions are very important and should be treated with care. Gender is more important than a pair of socks.

Some question arising from Dark Water:

-why were the clockwork robots and the robots from Robots of Sherwood looking for the promised land?

-Is Missy also stealing people's souls through time and space despite not having their bodies (Into the Dalek)? If so why?

-Maybe the finale will have some answers. Also even if Clara had destroyed the TARDIS keys, surely the Doctor could open the TARDIS with a snap of his fingers?

Reminds me of: Army of Ghosts (7)

Death in Heaven (7):

After seeing this episode, the title doesn't seem to make much sense. Didn't really like the change to the title sequence either. Anyway, on the whole the episode was decent. Some very good scenes such as the Doctor's monologue and Danny's battle speech. I quite like the Cybermen now being Iron-man-esque. It feels that for once they've made a relevant upgrade. And that scene...... the flying Doctor one..... was brilliant. Definitely one of the coolest scenes of the series.

Run out of space. Will continue in a reply.

1 month, 1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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