Story 215: The End of Time - Picture 3
@The Genie Opening:
1. Time Heist
2. Deep Breath
4. The Caretaker
5. Into the Dalek
6. Robot of Sherwood
The top three are all superb!
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@The Genie Not sure till The Caretaker rewatch, sorry! Definitely not the same as you, though!
@The Administrator @ClassicWhovian Ta, that helps :)
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So sorry to hear about Lynda Bellingham - what a brave, brave woman; I feel honoured that such a brilliant woman ever graced Doctor Who with her presence.
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Did anyone here buy the complete Sarah Jane adventures DVD box set? If so, what's it like as an overall package? Is it worth the money?
@TheBiPunishment Great review :D
Wish we had some proper episode posters right now :/
So I hear that 'Doctor Who' programme is on tonight...might be worth checking out?
2 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@TardisBoy I think the show is strong enough to take risks, and a show that doesn't take risks can become stale.
However, I don't want you to mistake this for me disagreeing with you - I fully understand where you're coming from, and actually think it's a really interesting debate - I'd love to see what you think after the episode! :)
2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@TardisBoy People have been worried about being offended - but we're forgetting that there is a whole half a series left after The Caretaker - I like the idea of, later on, the Doctor's views in this episode being challenged, leading to some nice character moments where he is forced to admit he is wrong.
But I suppose it's unfair of me to start thinking like this until I've at least seen The Caretaker!
2 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
I'm guessing Danny has great hearing...?
2 days, 22 hours ago on The Caretaker – 12 Hints & Teasers
@Calebxy Two was pretty lovely, almost cuddly at times!
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@The Genie @ClassicWhovian Very fair and well-made argument that I can't say I agree with - Bells is great, but I love Day more!
Thanks, nearly onto 11 - this whole avatar thing has gone on for so long!
@The Genie @ClassicWhovian Your choice and all that, but I'd love to hear why - a particular love for that scene or dislike for the other?
Scene of 2013 - the Quarter Finals
The final quarter final, is, in my opinion, disappointingly easy...!
The Day of the Doctor (The 13 Doctors) VS The Bells of Saint John (Miss Kizlet defeated)
The Day of the Doctor (The 13 Doctors): https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e71KWwE5Fk
The Bells of Saint John (Miss Kizlet defeated): http ://youtu.be/0OKvobPKN3Q?t=56s
-to be clear, not the Doctor's ride up the Shard, but the events following that.
@TheTimeTraveller is the 12th Doctor The Androids of Tara
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@TARDlSkey Because he was so great, I'd like to see him return changed by his new memories - perhaps he's now a nastier person, changed as a direct result of the Doctor's actions, calling his tampering with other people into question, and posing the question whether or not he right he has the right to change him back.
Or not, that could well be rubbish...!
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@Chris502 @TheOncomingHurricane Or at most a few stills...!
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@edoe101 @ClassicWhovian Ah, go on, you can change your mind if you like...! ;P
@Ladydetemps The little...Daleks - you should melt them with acid, then take the remains and give them to the babies.
Sorry, any chance to...yeah....
@The Finn @ClassicWhovian All depends on your perspective, I suppose....
@TheOncomingHurricane @ClassicWhovian No problem, you can always do them a little late, unless a new 'stage' has started i.e. Semi finals, Final. Thanks :-)
@The Finn @ClassicWhovian Don't agree about the jarring bit personally, but thanks :-)
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Scene of 2013 - The Quarter Finals
I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry. I thought this would be the final, back before we'd even voted on the moments. But I didn't want any hand in how things went, so I picked each initial 'face-off' randomly, and since then I've always known this was coming, and even now I'm still not sure what I'll go for. Two of the best scenes of the last 50 years, forget 2013! Ah well, hope you are able to make a decision!
An Adventure in Space and Time (Hartnell sees the future) VS The Day of the Doctor (Never Cruel or Cowardly)
An Adventure in Space and Time - Hartnell sees the future: https ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9wtQay5yu8
The Day of the Doctor (Never cruel or cowardly): Okay, so I couldn't find a clip of this, sorry. I mean, we all know how this amazing moment goes. But I thought I'd find something, so here's a fan-made video that includes it. As amazing as the video is, we're only looking at the 'what is the Doctor' to the 'never cruel or cowardly' stuff - the projection basically. h ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4z2HaiJZnc
I wouldn't vote for The Curse of the Black Spot, but I certainly don't think it's as bad as it's made out to be - if nothing else, it's an entertaining 45 minutes, with a few funny lines and a nice moment or two - nothing special, but not deserving of the Fear Her/Love & Monsters treatment, I feel.
5 days, 13 hours ago on Face-Off: The Thompson Episodes
@Chris502 The Doctor's "I'm not going to let you stop me now speech" isn't given enough credit, if you ask me.
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The Eighth Doctor Regenerates (The Night of the Doctor) VS Christmas Cracker (The Time of the Doctor)
So, I couldn't find a clip only of the 8th Doctor's regeneration, but it should show a cut down version - if not, we're only looking at the regeneration scene itself: http ://youtu.be/-U3jrS-uhuo?t=5m3s
Couldn't find a Christmas Cracker clip at all, sorry...!
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@doctorwhotvuk Hope you're wrong, I'm afraid :P
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@Calebxy Welshall see...not predominantly, to my knowledge.
Sorry, I really just wanted to make that awful pun....
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@TheOncomingHurricane @ClassicWhovian Can't say I agree, but I sort of see where you're coming from....
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@TheOncomingHurricane @ClassicWhovian Why does everyone have a problem with 'baby' and 'boys' from 11?!?
6 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@edoe101 @ClassicWhovian They're more interesting now :-)
Yay! Someone that loves that scene!
"Take it all" vs "To Save the Doctor"
6 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
Scene of 2013
Okay, final 'heat':
The Time of the Doctor ("If you want my life") vs An Adventure in Space and Time (Hartnell sees the future
The Time of the Doctor ("If you want my life")
Doctor: Sorry I’m
a bit slow. May not be at my best right now.
Dalek: You are dying, Doctor.
Doctor: Yes, I am
dying. You’ve been trying to kill me for centuries, and here I am, dying of old
age. If you want something done, do it yourself.
Dalek: You will die and the Time Lords will never
Doctor: You still
can’t work up the courage to shoot me, can you? You’re still worried I’ve got
something up my sleeve! Well you knock yourselves out boys. I’ve got nothing
Daleks shoot at the
screaming people of Christmas.
Suddenly, in the sky,
the shape of a crack yawns open – a light slithers out, and into the Doctor.
His hands start to glow.
Dalek: You will die now, Doctor. This is the end of
you! The rules of regeneration are known. You have expended all your lives!
what did you say? Did you mention the rules? Now, listen, bit of advice. Tell
me the truth is you think you know it, lay down the law if you’re feeling brave
but, Daleks, never, ever tell me the rules!
Dalek: Emergency, emergency! The Doctor is
regenerating! The Doctor is regenerating!
Doctor: Oh, look
at this! Regeneration number 13 – we’re breaking some serious science here
boys! I’ll tell you what, it’s going be a whopper! Ha ha!
Dalek: Exterminate! Exterminate the Doctor!
Doctor: You think
you can stop me now Daleks? If you want my life – ha ha! – come and get it!!!
The Doctor spins his
arm around, and a stream of golden light bursts from it, destroying a Dalek.
inside! Get off the street, get inside, quick, quick!
The Doctor spins the
other arm and destroys another Dalek. He laughs.
Doctor: Love from
And his head erupts in
light, shooting upwards. The Dalek ship and all of Trenzalore is decimated.
An Adventure in Space and Time (Hartnell sees the future)
then, who’s who?
walks over and shakes William Hartnell’s hand.
won’t lie to you, I’m scared stiff.
you’ll be fine. In fact, you’ll be wonderful. I told them you know. There’s
only one man in England who can take over.
couldn’t they get him?
Everyone laughs. But
amongst that, the two men share a solemn nod. And that music starts.
Hartnell reaches into
the set and turns on the TARDIS time rotor.
Man: Red light,
A bell rings.
positions everyone please.
Hartnell places his
hands on the console. Except he’s not Hartnell now. Now, he is the Doctor.
to record in fifteen...
Hartnell flips a
switch, then slowly looks up, right at us. And standing there, a look of awe
and respect on his face, is the 11th Doctor. The 11th
Doctor smiles, and Hartnell smiles back. The 11th Doctor flicks some
switches, then, just as Hartnell had done, he places his hands on the console.
And we get the best bit of music of 2013...? Probably? This isn’t really the
place for me to ponder that....
The camera lingers on
Hartnell, just as the smile lingers on his face. We see there is nothing where
the 11th Doctor seemed to be. Except it wasn’t the 11th
Doctor William Hartnell was seeing, of course. It was the future. And it was
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@doctorwhotvuk Okay, that does slightly reassure me - I don't love his episodes, but I'm open to enjoy them, so hopefully I can enjoy this one! Thanks :-)
Anyone been doing the Radio Times sci-fi champion thing?
( http ://www.radiotimes.com/scifichampion )
Personally, I'm supporting Ianto all the way! :D
@doctorwhotvuk Shame. Hope I love it, obviously. For comparison, what do you make of The Lodger? And is this better or worse? Thanks :-)
@Mark McCullough @ClassicWhovian How'd you mean? :)
1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@Mark McCullough @ClassicWhovian I wouldn't goes as far as 'hands down', but I agree with you - I really hope it gets to the next round - I'm going to write a little bit about why each moment is amazing, and I want to write about this one!
2 more 'heats' to go!
This one is the regeneration face-off! But the last one...I don't know if I can pick between the two...! But that's for next time - this time:
The Night of the Doctor (Regeneration) VS The Time of the Doctor (Regeneration)
The Night of the Doctor (Regeneration)
Doctor: I don’t
suppose there’s any need for a Doctor any more. Make me a warrior now.
Ohila: I took the
liberty of preparing this one myself (hands
him a chalice)
Doctor: Get out
GET OUT! All of you.
They start to leave
Doctor: Will it
Charley, C’rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly, friends, companions I’ve known I salute
you. And Cass...I apologise. Physician, heal thyself.
The Doctor drinks from
the chalice, then drops it. His hands glow, and he groans, and convulses. He
The Time of the Doctor (Regeneration)
The Doctor walks up
the steps of the TARDIS, young again.
young again. You’re okay. You didn’t even change your face.
Doctor: Ha! It’s
started. I can’t stop it now, this is just the reset. Whole new regeneration
He has some fish
fingers and custard. Clara laughs.
Doctor: Taking a
bit longer. Just breaking it in.
He pulls a leaver, and
the TARDIS takes off.
Doctor: It all
just disappears, doesn’t it? Everything you are, gone in a moment like breath
on a mirror. Any moment now, he’s a-coming.
Clara: You. You
are the Doctor.
Doctor: Yep. And
I always will be.
He raises a glowing
Doctor: But times
change and so must I.
He looks round, and
suddenly the TARDIS is full of colourful children’s drawings of the Doctor’s
heroics. Amelia runs past.
Clara looks round, and
we see that really, there’s nothing there.
Doctor: The first
face this face saw.
Amelia runs round the
Doctor: We all
change. When you think about it, we are all different people, all through our
lives. And that’s okay, that’s good, you gotta keep moving so long as you
remember all the people that you used to be. I will not forget one line of
this. Not one day. I swear. I will
always remember when the Doctor was me.
And now, walking down
the stairs, it’s Amy Pond. She smiles, and puts a hand to the Doctor’s face,
and he puts a hand to hers.
Amy: Raggedy man.
Again we see no one is
The Doctor removes his
bow tie, and lets it fall to the floor. He closes his eyes.
Clara: No, no!
Please don’t change.
The Doctor lurches
back in an orange glow, and suddenly, he regenerates.
@TheOncomingHurricane Thank you! Watched that episode recently, was no where near as impressed as I remembered :/
@doctorwhotvuk @ClassicWhovian Ta :-)
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@doctorwhotvuk I take this as a sign of your undying love. Do with that infomation what you will.
Reading a few comments below, about the comment section on this site...well, I feel like I've missed a lot...!
The usual stupidity, or something different?
@Scribey Something that squarely sets the Doctor against the Daleks (or just one Dalek), but really something that has a basic 'good vs evil' plotline - you can still get that (if you ask me) with your 'different' Dalek stories - injecting something like Davros or a change in concept, but at base, for me, we need the Doctor vs the Daleks. I love a complex story, something introspective - 'Into the Dalek', 'Asylum of the Daleks' and episodes like that would be a lot better (for me) if the basic ideas were the same, but the Daleks weren't in it, appearing in a different story in the series, perhaps. Even then, a 'different' Dalek story is good every now and then, but when different becomes the norm, different doesn't look special at all.
@TardisBoy It's a really easy one, unfortunately - I'm looking forward to later rounds, where hopefully it will be more interesting...!
@doctorwhotvuk Opinion endorsed by DWTV. Opinion is now law.
Genuinely, at this stage, a 'typical' Dalek story would be fresh, which is clearly what the production team are looking for, it's so underdone in the Moffat era!!!
The Day of the Doctor - 13 save Gallifrey
Shots of masses of Dalek ships firing on Gallifrey.
Androgar: Another one.
General: Are you sure the message is from him?
Androgar: Oh yes.
General: Why would he do that?
We see a hologram of the words ‘GALLIFREY STANDS’
General: What’s the mad fool talking about now?
11th Doctor: (voice only) Hello, hello, Gallifrey High Command. This is the Doctor speaking.
Now holograms of the 11th, 10th and War Doctors appear.
10th Doctor: Hello! Also the Doctor. Can you hear me?
War Doctor: Also the Doctor. Standing ready.
General: Dear God, three of them. All my worst nightmares at once.
10th: General, we have a plan.
11th: We should point out at this moment, it is a fairly terrible plan-
10th: -and almost certainly won’t work.
11th: I was happy with ‘fairly terrible’.
10th: Sorry, was just thinking out loud.
11th: We’re flying our three TARDISes into your lower atmosphere.
We see a TARDIS spinning through space.
10th: We’re positioned at equidistant intervals around the globe. ‘Equidistant’, so grown-up.
Another shot of a TARDIS.
War: Just about ready to do it.
A third TARDIS.
General: Do what?
11th: We’re going to freezer Gallifrey.
General: I’m sorry, what?
10th: Using our TARDISes, we’re going to freeze Gallifrey in a single moment in time.
War: You know, like those Stasis Cubes? Single moment in time, held in a parallel pocket universe.
11th: Except we’re going to do it to a whole planet.
10th: And all the people on it.
General: What? Even if that were possible, which it isn’t, why would you do such a thing?
11th: Because the alternative is burning.
10th: And I’ve seen that.
11th: And I never want to see it again.
General: We’d be lost in another universe. Frozen in a single moment. We’d have nothing.
11th: You would have hope. And right now that is exactly what you don’t have.
General: It’s delusional. Why, the calculations alone would take hundreds of years.
11th: Oh, hundreds and hundreds.
10th: But don’t worry. I started a very long time ago.
We fly past the Dalek ships and see another TARDIS flying by.
1st Doctor: Calling the War Council of Gallifrey – this is the Doctor.
And now we see them – all the TARDISes for all the Doctors.
11th: You might say I’ve been doing this all my lives.
We hear all the Doctors – they all help!
General: I didn’t know when I was well off – all twelve of them!
Androgar: No sir – all thirteen!
We see the Twelfth Doctor. Well, his eyebrows.
Androgar: Sir, the Daleks know that something is happening – they’re increasing their firepower!
General: Do it, Doctor. Just do it. Do it!
11th: Okay. Gentlemen, we’re ready.
And he fixes his bowtie.
War: Oh, for God’s sake – Gallifrey stands!
The TARDISes converge on Gallifrey. A bright flash. Gallifrey is 'saved'
Three more scenes! Apparently the comment is too long, so I'll do this in two posts, sorry!
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS (Eye of Harmony) vs Nightmare in Silver (Hole in the Sky) vs The Day of the Doctor (13 save Gallifrey)
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS - Eye of Harmony
move, move! The Eye of Harmony. Exploding star, in the act of becoming a black
hole. Time Lord engineering. You rip the star from its orbit, suspend it in a
permanent of decay. This way, quickly!
The Doctor opens the
door at the far end – Time Zombies growl at him, and he slams the door shut
Gregor and Tricky open
the door at the other end and are faced with another Time Zombie.
no way out, we’re trapped!
going to tell me right now! If we’re going to die here you’re going to tell me
what they are!
Doctor: I can’t.
Clara: Tell me!
What’s the use of secrets now?
protect us! Secrets make us safe!
Clara: We’re not
Gregor scans a Time
Sensor: Sensor detects animal DNA. Human core
element. Calculating data. Calculating data.
Doctor: No, no,
turn it off!
Sensor: Lancashire. Sass. Identifiable
Doctor: I’m so sorry.
Clara: That’s me.
I burn in here.
Doctor: It isn’t
just the past leaking out through the time rift. It’s the future. Listen, I
brought you here to keep you safe but it happened again. You died again.
Clara: What do
you mean, again?
The Doctor pauses.
Doctor: Hang on!
As long as we interrupt the time line, this can’t happen.
He runs to Gregor and
Tricky, and pulls them away from the door.
touch each other, otherwise the future will reassert itself!
The Time Zombies are
in now. One of them grabs Gregor.
Gregor, let go of the circuit.
Tricky: Just let
it go! [Can’t hold it back any more]
Tricky hits the Time
Zombie attacking Gregor, knocking it over the edge. They all run towards the
Doctor: Come on!
A Time Zombie blocks
their path. They head for the other door, but there is a Time Zombie there too.
Tricky hits the two-headed
Time Zombie, again and again. He kicks it off the edge, but it grabs his foot
and pulls him with it. We see the Time Zombie fall into the Eye of Harmony, and
in one of the best bits of direction in Series 7, the camera pulls up to show
Tricky clinging on to the edge of the bridge.
Doctor: No! Don’t
touch him or time will reassert itself!
The two transform into
the two-headed Time Zombie. The Doctor and Clara run.
Nightmare in Silver (Hole in the Sky)
Clara: Was this
really the biggest amusement park in the universe?
Hedgewick bought the place cheap. It had been trashed in the Cyberwars.
Clara: Who were
Cybermen. Technologically upgraded warriors. We couldn’t win. Sometimes we
fought to a draw but then they’d just upgrade themselves, fix the weaknesses
and destroy us. It’s hard to fight an enemy that uses your army as its spare
Clara: You beat
them though. You beat them or you wouldn’t be here. How?
Porridge: Look up
there. That corner of sky, what do you see?
Porridge motions in
the general direction of the sky, which is, in places, colourful and far from
empty. Fortunately Clara works out where he wants her to look, even though she
could easily have misinterpreted it as the giant
blue and purple bit of sky surrounding the black that looks far more
noteworthy. Phew, eh?
It’s just black. No stars, no nothing.
it used to be the Tiberian Spiral Galaxy. A million star systems, a hundred
million worlds, a billion trillion people. It’s not there any more. No more
Tiberian Galaxy. No more Cybermen. It was effective.
Porridge: Yeah. I
feel like a monster sometimes.
Because instead of mourning a billion trillion
dead people, I just feel sorry for the poor blighter that had to press the
button and blow it all up.
We haven't had a PROPER Dalek story in ages. Actually, not since Journey's End, if you ask me. The evidence?
- Into the Dalek - as the DWM points out, it really isn't a Dalek story - if you're inside a Dalek, the one thing you can be sure you won't encounter is a Dalek...!
- The Time of the Doctor - they might be the 'final' enemy here, but they're certainly not the feature in this carnival of monsters.
- The Day of the Doctor - there are tons of Daleks here, but of course this is a story about the War Doctor.
- Asylum of the Daleks - damaged Daleks and Oswin Daleks, but very little action for the Dalek Daleks!
- The Wedding of River Song - just a cameo
- The Big Bang - there for some menace, but again not a feature.
- The Pandorica Opens - another carnival of monsters appearance.
This isn't a problem in the confines of each episode - it's great to see something interesting and different, but I think that it's a shame that, in the midst of always trying to do something that hasn't been done before, we lose Dalek stories, the type that caused made them popular, made us fall in love with them. It's a shame that we can't have something that's both different, and the same - a Dalek story with a new idea injected, like Remembrance of the Daleks or Journey's End (okay, Davros isn't new, but he was the the main body of the audience). I might be alone here, but I really want a big old Dalek army for the Doctor to defeat, with tons and tons of gratuitous extermination!
...Come to think of it, when did a Dalek last exterminate a (non-Dalek) character, on screen, with that character staying dead...? I suppose that's one for me to work out on a re-watch....