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@ezgame @mowens75 Fair statement but I wouldn't underestimate the contribution of ND to saving the ACC. The 5 games a year, the prestige of the brand, the significant commitment (by ND standards) to the conference. And don't think the ACC Network would be a go with out Irish sports. That's a game changer. National fan base.
1 year, 7 months ago on ACC Grant Of Rights Deal Could End Realignment Madness For A While
@ezgame @DanHogan You're missing bowl and playoff revenue. ACC and Big Twelve are very close. A matter, largely, of dividing by 10 or 14.
@ezgame @SteveBull I think the Big 12 gets about $20 million per year per school, same as the ACC effective 7/1/13. The extra $4m to $5m for the Big Twelve is from the Sugar Bowl - pays $40m to 10 schools vs. $27.5m to 14 schools - and MAYBE some extra cash from Tier 3 rights.
@mowens75 A lot of UNC football first fans would have loved that as well. Personally, I still love the ACC and want to reach the football mecca in the conference I grew up watching. Bloom where you're planted.
@SouthernBoiSB @mowens75 Because they realized that their only option was the Big 12 - the SEC doesn't want them (no new markets) and the B1G is leary of their academic (non-AAU) standing. They probably saw the difficulties faced by WVU in the Big Twelve and said, "no thanks." The money is about the same between ACC and Big 12 now. ACC Network would potentially close the remaining gap and have even more upside.
@bhoop @ezgame Perhaps they stepped back and recognized that if 11 of their 15 members (Uva, VT, UNC, Duke, NCSU, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami and even ND in its present form - apprently the Big 12 wanted to make that deal also - and maybe Uof L) were so valuable and desired by other conference, maybe they have something worth hanging on to. Additionally, Pitt, Syracuse and BC open the northeast to the conference. (Don't anyone say I'm dissing WFU. I went to undergrad there.)
@mowens75 If the Big XII has not out, the ACC schools have no out. Not Virginia, not VT and not FSU. The conference collectively realized that if 11 of their schools were so desired by other conferences, then they must have something worth holding onto. They obviously got more money from ESPN as a result of the commitment. A value to ESPN to pay it because they know what they're buying. AND, based upon the reactions of presidents and athletic directors, they are clearly going to launch an ACC cable network that will eventually be in homes in the triangle from Boston to Chicago to Miami. That's at least half of the US population. The network will take time but they are clearly committed to it and see its value. Even if it's half o the BTN, the school's are better off. Probably only 2, and at the most 6 (including ND), would have been ACCeptable to the B1G and those are the schools with deep ACC traditions or, in the case of ND, that really dislike the Big Ten.
@HabibHaddad @JB TexasEx @Honus The Dude Sneed IT had a lot to do at the time, supposedly, with travel. Morgantown was hard to reach in those days. The same was said for Virginia Tech. Seems crazy now, but that was pre-interstate highway and mountain travel was difficult.
That doesn't explain why the ACC denied VT so many times through the years despite pledges from university presidents to admit them.
South Carolina was essentially denied re-entry twice (late 70s and, I think 1983). The ACC was going to make them pay back revenue lost from the time they were independent. They politely declined after that condition was made.
Finally, Penn State was considered "too weak" in basketball when they sought entrance. OOPS!
1 year, 11 months ago on Expansion Update: B12-Expand or Die
Fonzie is putting on his water skis.
Why on earth would North Carolina go to the Big 12 when they could be in the Big Ten or SEC tomorrow with a phone call?
The gospel according to the Dude.
1 year, 12 months ago on Expansion Update: UNC & Duke Won't Go Down Without a Fight
@JRsec @uncbare Why on earth would the SEC want NC State and Duke and UNC? Va, Va T, UNC, NCSU would be a no-brainer if the ACC fell apart but I don't think UNC will be in any position to make demands on the SEC that would end up costing all the member institutions $ if the ACC were falling apart. I have read before that Slive liked Duke and UNC but it was not a quote from Slive. It makes no sense. 18 is too many. 20 is absurd. Duke and NCSU offer nothing to the SEC if UNC is availalbe, and they would be if the ACC falls apart.
The only thing is, other teams would have to leave for the wheels to come off and to leave you have to be going somewhere. They won't be going to the SEC because, theoretically, the SEC would be waiting for UNC and Virginia first. It will take FSU and Clemson leaving for the Big 12 and I just don't see the upside financially (or competitively) for them to to that, especially if the $50 million exit fee is binding.
Losing Maryland is not Armageddon. It's the panic reaction that will kill the conference.
IF ND decides they have to join full on because their safe place to land and guaranteed football scheduling could be gone otherwise, then MAYBE they go all in. They need the East. If all that comes from this is exchanging Maryland for Notre Dame, then Swofford is the winner. Nice move, Delaney, but checkmate. I don't think they do that.
2 years ago on Virginia Tech AD Weaver Talks SEC; Twitter Melts
@JRsec @uncbare I pray our administrators will for once not be predictably snobbish and go to the B1G if the ACC falls apart. We want to play South Carolina, Virginia, Georgia, Tennessee. NOT Rutgers, Iowa, Minnesota and Northwestern.
Carolina and Kentucky, the two winningest programs in basketball history in the same league. Awesome!
And Carolina football could at last realize its potential. Every North Carolina kid would want to play for a North Carolina team in the SEC.
@JRsec Slive is in no hurry to take little brother Virginia Tech. (Frank Beamer won't live forever.) North Carolina is the prize for either the B1G or the SEC. They will both wait to let that play out and North Carolina need not go anywhere unless FSU and Clemson bolt. If that happens, it's on. North Carolina and Virginia either go B1G or SEC (fans want SEC) and NCS,VT, FSU etc. go Big 12. You can hate UNC all you want or make comments about its football, but it has the most upside and is THE cherry in the ACC.
But what's wrong with this:
Since when was BC a football school?
2 years, 9 months ago on Big 12 To Raid ACC? Clemson, FSU and ND Head The List | January