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Remember, Big 12 Reimburses everyone on travel costs before splitting up the pot of money.
So, no matter how far FSU or Clemson go for conference games, the Big 12 pays for it with EVERYONE's Money.
@louciaccia @Rob And Louciaccia, he and the WVU blogger are friends to a certain degree.
John thought this would never happen, but he is a man of his word.
If in the end it happens, John will admit he was wrong.
@louciaccia @Rob Rob, I would use that same argument for Missouri and aTm
How are they going to win the SEC if they couldn't come close to winning the Big 12?
@jasonburns Slive doesn't care that much. The SEC will still get the best T.V. deal. They also are still the #1 football school
Slive really doesn't care.
The SEC won't give FSU an invite. It was seen by the Missouri addition that the SEC is looking for T.V. markets. They already have the Florida market so what does FSU add? Not much. Plus with Florida blocking them, there is really no chance of FSU joining. I'm not the only one saying this. Coley Harvey covers FSU sports and news and he even said there is almost no chance FSU can go to the SEC.
Also have to remember the collusion principle.
Lastly
Barron said this at the Softball game last night
But Barron also said he was surprised to hear that people think he has now made up his mind on FSU's conference affiliation. "I have no idea what the next few weeks or even days will bring," Barron said. "I know I have alumni irritated because they think I made up my mind. What I am trying to say is this is not some simple thing. "It's amazing how many people will say to me, 'You don't understand. If you go to the Big 12, Clemson will go with you and so will Miami and you can play them.' "How do you know that? How can you say that? This is quite complicated. I have no idea how people will react to what I said, but I'm just trying to get the facts out there." Barron also said that he believes FSU has done the proper due diligence should any major conference be willing to discuss a possible move. Though he wouldn't pinpoint an exact time when the research was done, he said he felt comfortable last summer when rumors circulated about FSU possibly joining the SEC that his staff was prepped in case the league contacted him. "There is no way that the university wouldn't at least do its homework," Barron said. "That wouldn't make sense otherwise. But that happened last year and I didn't believe there was any truth to the rumors then. And I don't believe there is any truth to these rumors now. "It would have been strange for us not to think about it. To do a study and issue a report? No. But of course you think about it."
@MiloMoon Once again, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina all block FSU, Clemson, and Georgia Tech from joining.
I would assume he is meaning 17 mil for all three tiers compared with 20-22 mil for tier 1 and 2
Now UF makes 10 mil off their Tier 3, KU makes 8-10 mil of Tier 3, so you would think FSU could make 5-10 mil off tier 3
Meaning 3 mil just off the jump, and then 5 more at least off of Tier 3 rights
@Denotion You do realize that when the Big 12 signs this T.V. deal they are giving up their rights for 13 years right?
Want to ask you, you do know that FSU doesn't have an ACC research partner right?
http://www.research.fsu.edu/partnerships/
And yes, FSU would make about 8 mil more in the Big 12 than ACC.
You do understand if the Big 12 is to add 2 more teams, they would renegotiate right?
Some already have said the Big 12 has an escalation in their new deal saying an extra 2 mil per team that join (Granted ESPN/FOX can change that to higher or lower depending on the team)
Idk if the SEC would do that, they might, but if the ACC team were to jump to the Big 12, I could see an SEC/Big 12 challenge.
within the next 5 years I assume the "boycott" of scheduling Missouri and aTm will change which would set up a great rivalry for the fans.
I would think John would agree with me that he would love to anyone of these types of games. Texas/aTm, Kansas/Missouri, KSU/Arkansas, Bama/OSU, LSU/OU, FSU/UF, Clemson/SC, UK/Baylor
It would be a nice Basketball rivalry too
Thanks for the post John, I was actually wondering how many votes it would take for a team to get admitted to the SEC.
Thanks
@JRsec I highly doubt the Big 12 breaks apart and here are my reasons,
1. The Grant of rights for 13 years. Like you just said, it would take almost all the schools leaving to break the grant of rights, and with no one wanting to leave, I doubt anyone will break the rights.
2. The New Big 12 T.V. deal. The Big 12 just got 20 mil a year with JUST first and second tier rights. The 20+mil deal for the Pac 12 and Big 1G INCLUDES Tier 3 rights. So now Texas is the team with the most T.V. money in the county. Some of the Big 12 schools, I would even say Kansas (8-10 mil Tier 3 contract) are now making more than Big 1G schools.
3. They are tired of trying to move. They have no where to go. Texas didn't go west because of Texas politics according to Scott, not because Texas didn't want to. Texas politics got in the way of any move, so the only place for Texas to go is independent, and that doesn't provide as much money as the Big 12.
All in all, I think we can finally say the Big 12 is (yes I'm going to say it) STABLE.
In the next few months, we will see who they poach. More and More ACC guys are getting worried about the whole FSU and Clemson idea. IF such a thing happens, according to John, the SEC will stay out of it. If that is the case, look for the Big 12 to go to 14 teams by 2014 with first taking FSU and Clemson, and then taking VT and Louisville to finish it off.
From everything I heard, it will be FSU and Clemson first year, and then Louisville and another ACC team.
Look for the 2nd pair to be taken quickly because the OU president has already promised Louisville a spot. The problem for Louisville right now is they don''t have a partner to come to the Big 12 with
Question for John, How many votes does it take to admit a school into the SEC?
From everything I've heard and read, some say everyone has to agree to admit the school, others say 2/3rds, and some say half. Do you know which one it is John?
@OldArmy Actually, aTm, Missouri, Colorado, and Probably Nebraska are all fine with it.
Nebraska and Colorado make just as much and probably more than what the Big 12 just got, so I don't see why they are kicking themselves. Now Missouri and aTm, the SEC will get a new deal within the next year or two and it should be worth more than the Big 12 deal. So they wouldn't be kicking themselves either.
Big 12 announced the grant of rights for 13 years today. Guess you can say it is stable.
@BAMANOLE26 I'm saying FSU isn't getting even more of the top recruits (even the ones from Bama) because they aren't in the SEC.
Florida is already battling everyone in the SEC for recruits. FSU joining the SEC is not going to happen. Once again, it would have already happened this last time in expansion. FSU is a desirable team, and SEC would have already gotten FSU if they were going too.
@Denotion Yes, that would be why they are already working on a 13 year grant of rights. They are locked in for 5 more years meaning they really won't decide to move for another 4 years. Right now, none of them want to leave, especially OU and Texas. OU has already finished their own network, and Texas, well we all know they will never get rid of that. OU isn't going to leave because their Network is worth 10 mil. So, you are actually wrong, the Big 12 is good for 4 years.
Once again, only time will tell. Just don't be "SHOCKED" if/when FSU and Clemson make the move
@RudeCock When did he say they were going to the SEC?
And the T.V. money is just about right. The New Big 12 deal without those teams will be 23 mil per team. Add the 3 mil for the conference championship and you are at 26 mil, and that isn't including the worth of CU and FSU, so the T.V. money will be around 30 mil