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@erivera7 You have the energy to post a disagreement that edifies exactly no one, but not to make an actual argument. I suggest saving your energy up until you have something worthwhile to contribute.
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@erivera7 "There's plenty of evidence..." No, there isn't.
@erivera7 Well, don't take this the wrong way: that's not much of an argument. I could reply "Rose is just plain better than Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, and Kevin Durant", and you would rightly complain that I wasn't adding anything to the conversation. At any rate I don't think any one of these guys is clearly better than any other. After Lebron and Dwight, I see a cluster of 5 players who are all pretty hard to choose between: Wade, Durant, Rose, Kobe, Paul (I would put Nowitski here, but I don't know what's up with him this season). I think Rose is better by a little than those guys, but I can understand if others disagree. What I don't understand is why you seem to think he's clearly worse: that's not backed up by any statistics that I know of, and it's certainly not backed up by watching the games.
@erivera7@sgriffeth "definitely not top three" Care to expand? Why not?
@roscoeiii Oh, and by the way: he always outperforms Hollinger's preseason PER projection by a wide margin. Hollinger should keep track of the highest over-achievers; I bet Rose has been in the top 10 on that list every season so far.
Full disclosure: I am a lifelong Bulls fan. From Orlando Woolridge to MJ and Scottie, to Marcus Fizer and Eddy Curry, to the Skiles era, to D Rose. And it's true, we will defend him to the death.
But you guys are over-reacting to the over-reaction of the MVP award last season. I agree, Rose is not as dominant as Dwight or Lebron. But a case can definitely be made that he's 3rd best in the league after that: about 1.3 separates his PER from Durant's, he has (without much fanfare) become genuinely great on defense this season (up from good last year and terrible before that), and he is running the 3rd most efficient offense in the league (according to Hollinger):
Check out his 82games page
and you will see that his opponent PER is a pretty impressive 10.7 (compare this with Chris Paul's pretty awful 17.1). He generally dominates the matchups with the other elite point guards (see recent games against Chris Paul and Deron Williams). He is still not a knockdown 3 point shooter, but he is reliable from midrange. His main weakness seems to be a vulnerability to being defended by big, fast wings on teams with fast help defense once he gets past the 1st defender---but you could say that about every point in the league.