Now on Incarnation Seven.
The Genie: I'm the Genie. I have commented for over three years and
not all of them were good. I have made many mistakes, and it's about time I did
something about that. Starting right now. Admin, I am not your boyfriend.
TheAdministrator1: I never thought you were.
The Genie: I never said it was your mistake. What do you think?
TheAdministrator1: Who put that advert in the footer?
The Genie: Who gave you my number?
The Genie: A long time ago, remember. You were given the number of a
computer help line, but you ended up phoning the Chat. Who gave you that
TheAdministrator1: The woman. The woman on the forum.
The Genie: Then there is a woman out there who is very keen that we
stay together. How do you feel on the subject?
TheAdministrator1: Am I home?
The Genie: If you want to be.
TheAdministrator1: I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. But I don't
think I know who you are any more.
The Genie: You'd better get that. Might be your boyfriend.
TheAdministrator1: Shut up. I don't have a boyfriend. Hello? Hello...
The Sixth Genie: ... it's me.
TheAdministrator1: Yes, it's you, who's this??
The Sixth Genie: It's me, Admin. The Genie.
TheAdministrator1: ... what do you mean ... the Genie?
The Sixth Genie: I'm phoning you from Limbolore.
TheAdministrator1: I don't...
The Sixth Genie: I mean it's all still to happen for me,
it’s coming. Oh, it's a coming... Not long now.
I can feel it.
TheAdministrator1: Why? Why would you do this.
The Sixth Genie: Because I think it's going to be a wopper. And I think you might be scared. And however
scared you are, Admin, the man you are with right now ... the man I hope you
are…with believe me he is more scared than anything you can imagine right now ...and
he needs you.
The Genie: So who is it?
The Sixth Genie: Is that the Genie?
The Genie: Is that the Genie?
The Sixth Genie: He sounds unfamiliar. Please tell me I’m still a Whoniverse
character? I was Donna. Oh, is she from an old show?
The Sixth Genie: Admin please, ‘ay - for me. Help him. Go on. ... and don't be afraid. He's alright. Good-bye Admin. Miss ya.
19 hours, 19 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@DrOswald @The Genie It's just let me back on!
1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@sontaran17 @The Genie In most cases I wouldn't encourage repression, but...
1 day, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@sontaran17 @The Genie Nah, it's alright. I have work to do, the break'll do me good.
@sontaran17 @The Genie Thank you for Livefyre's edit feature; I'd be mortified if I rated Series Seven that highly...
Selby Scores for Series 8 - Update
1. Deep Breath 8.0/10
2. Into the Dalek 7.8/10
@sontaran17 @The Genie Damn. I keep getting shut out. Maybe I should just stay off chat now.
Anyone else getting an error trying to access Chat?
@Mark McCullough It's been described as the tonal break of the series. A little early placed, I think.
1 day, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
Initial thoughts? I'm really not sure. I'll re-watch it tomorrow and write the review then.
2 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
Reply to that awful Telegraph article.
"Well done, Benji Wilson. Really. Well done. Not only have you missed the whole point of Doctor Who and failed to address anything worth talking about, but you've also completely ignored the context of your article which is modern television... and then what happened? It came to a rather abrupt end, did it not?
Generally I am loathed to criticise an opinion piece; I'd reply to it, share my thoughts, and hope to engage in an eye-opening debate, but I can't go anywhere with this article at all. It's like the writer leaves the room every time something interesting happens, comes back in, sees a joke they don't like and leaves again.
Doctor Who's appeal isn't what you say it is. When I describe why I love the show to my friends, I don't say "Well, it's the lacking special effects. It's inspirationally cute" (and for the record, Who's FX are damned good. I've seen a lot worse. You speak about the Half-Faced Man, but say what you like about him - in every scene his whole half-face is shown; it's hardly wimping out). I love Doctor Who because it's progressive, because it promotes equality, pacifism, compassion, inclusion, second chances, family, friendship, change for the better and speaking out when no one else will. It's shaped my life for the better.
Look at the Doctor as a role model and you'll see why Doctor Who is eternal. He's a white British heterosexual male, making him, if you like, the epitome of the nasty twentieth-century political correctness... right? No. He doesn't resort to violence unless he's pushed to a limit where anyone would; he's not domineering, and he's aware of his own hero complex without being a self-righteous idiot. He's far from the typical male role model and that's brilliant. A new generation of young boys have stashed away their toy guns and football kits, a sacrifice made so they can spend their childhoods running around in smart suits fixing things with screwdrivers. Such innocent glee and a desire to do good warms the hearts of many parents across the country, and because Doctor Who is such a forward-thinking, more-to-the-eye children's show, the adults fall in love with it just as easily."
2 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk Getting angry...
@Esterath @The Genie @Chris502 Huh. So it even killed The Golden Ones, or...?
3 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@Chris502 What Doctor Who aliens are in there?
3 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
The Genie: Draggy.
The Genie: The page, it's draggy. Blank and draggy.
Marlena: It's slow!
The Genie: That's right. It's slow! It's slow, I knew it was a
thing. I need ... a font, that's what I need. And a big, orange font. No, no,
move on from that, looked stupid. Have
you seen this avatar before?
The Genie: Are you sure?
Marlena: Sir, I have never seen that avatar.
The Genie: It's funny, because, I'm sure that I have. You know I
never know where they come from, the avatars. They just pop up, zap, faces like
this one. Come on look at it, have a look, come on, look, look, look. Look, it's covered in lines, look at it - but
I didn't do the laughing. Who laughed me this face? Do you ever look at yourself on the page and
think, I've seen that avatar before?
The Genie: Really? When?
Marlena: Every time I look at the page.
The Genie: Yes, fair enough, good point. My avatar is fresh on
though. Why this one. Why did I choose this avatar. It's like I'm trying to
tell myself something. Like I’m trying to make a point. But what is so
important I can't just tell myself what I'm thinking? I'm not just being rhetorical, you can join
Marlena: ... I don't like it.
The Genie: What?
Marlena: Your avatar.
The Genie: Well, I don't like it either. Well, it's all right up
till the hair, and then it just goes haywire. Look at the hair! It’s attack
hair. You could suffocate a lion with that!
Marlena: It is mighty hair indeed, sir.
The Genie: It’s mad! It’s madder than the rest of my face. It’s
independently mad. It probably wants to quietly moan about the rest of my face
and never mention it again - Oh, that's Brits...I’m Brit’s…I've gone a bit English,
Marlena: Yes, you are. You are definitely Brits, sir. I, I see it
in your comments.
The Genie: Oh, that's good. It's good I'm English, I'm English. I
can be a snob, I can really be snobby now. Give me your password.
The Genie: I can’t get in.
Marlena: I can’t get in.
The Genie: Neither of us can get in. Well there's no point in us
both being shut out, give me your password. Give me your password. No, wait!! Shut up, shut up! I missed something, It was
here, it was here. What was it I saw, what did I see?? I was investigating, I
was cold, then I saw – that’s what I saw!
Marlena: What devilry is this, sir?
The Genie: I don't know. But I probably blame the Americans
3 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
That's what they all say!
4 days, 13 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
sontaran17: Ah, Mr Hurst! You look better now
TheAdministrator1: Thank you, sonty!
sontaran17: No, sorry, trick of the light. You still look
terrible. Can I get you anything?
TheAdministrator1: Er, no, thanks. Maybe just something
sontaran17: Of course. Well,don't hold back,
I've nearly finished anyway.
TheAdministrator1: Um ...
sontaran17: It's perfectly all right. I wiped the first virus
from the link myself.
TheAdministrator1: All of a sudden, I don’t have much
sontaran17: Really? Perhaps it is time, then - for your
mandatory profile examination!
sontaran17: Say Ah.
sontaran17: You didn't move your lips.
TheAdministrator1: You'relooking at a still
sontaran17: Oh, yes, there we go, easy mistake. Now that's
TheAdministrator1: What, what's interesting?
sontaran17: Deflected narcissism, traces of passive camp, and a
lot of muscular young men doing sport.
TheAdministrator1: What are you looking at?
sontaran17: Yourinternet history.
Is that sport? It could be sport.
TheAdministrator1: Well, stop looking.
sontaran17: Ah, excellent. Enviable desktop, well done. 20
years old, with a projected comment-span of exactly –
TheAdministrator1: Stop right there!
sontaran17: Oh, you're going to do quite well. But watch out
for bugs on formatting later, it's going to be spectacular. Put your avatar
TheAdministrator1: It is on!
sontaran17: Oh, so it is.
TheAdministrator1: Why are you doing this?
sontaran17: If we are to serve together, I need you at peak
TheAdministrator1: Ow! Why would we be serving together?
The Genie will come back, won't he?
sontaran17: It is to be hoped.
TheAdministrator1: He’s not just going to abandon me
sontaran17: You must stop worrying about him, my boy, by now he’s almost certainly
had his comment flagged by the violent poor.
4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@TheTimeTraveller is excited for Capaldi The phonecall's my favourite. Doubt I need to explain why.
I love Clara taking a deep breath. It's fantastically done. Utterly suspenseful.
@Scribey @The Genie Yes! It's exactly like that. And you need that in controlled assessments; you really need the ability to allow other aspects pull up what's mostly a poor assessment. I suppose television is just a huge exam for critics to mark.
4 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@Scribey @The Genie Same!
@Scribey @The Genie I like you. Continuous 10/10s are one of my pet hates.
@Scribey Out of curiosity, which categories brought the score down so much?
4 days, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
Anyone who's up for a challenge...
If you want an accurate way of scoring Deep Breath that works along with a universal system used by others, I've constructed this (ignore the fan-fic bit of the URL - it's just the name of the site). It's a method of calculating an exact numerical score based on different aspects of the episode. Worth trying for Series Eight at the least.
4 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@stargazer0118 Vale or an unreleased piece - possible the 'Amy sitting on the suitcase' music or 'Help Him' from the 2014 Christmas Special. The Impossible Planet and Abigail's Song are also both quite haunting in their own ways.
4 days, 19 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
The Eleventh Hour, narrowly. I felt Matt's Doctor was better-transitioned; Capaldi more or less went straight from his post-regenerative hangover to a brilliantly intelligent, witty and unpredictable man with no visible change - just slightly jarring. Deep Breath is enjoyable, but The Eleventh Hour has the edge, also because it just so much fun.
4 days, 19 hours ago on Face-Off: The Eleventh Hour vs Deep Breath
@sontaran17 Thank you!
4 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
And Series Six. As with Bi, I'll probably stick to my gut instinct from here on.
The God Complex 9.1/10
The Doctor’s Wife 9.0/10
The Girl Who Waited 8.8/10
Closing Time 8.7/10
The Impossible Astronaut 8.2/10
A Good Man Goes To War 7.5/10
Night Terrors 7.3/10
Let’s Kill Hitler 7.1/10
Day of the Moon 6.9/10
The Almost People 6.3/10
Curse of the Black Spot 6.1/10
The Rebel Flesh 5.4/10
The Wedding of River Song 5.0/10
@TheBiPunishment If you don't think one of the categories is important you can just remove them and divide by one less, or swap for one you feel should be on there.
@TheBiPunishment Mark each out of ten and divide the total by fourteen.
4 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
And I have no idea why Deep Breath is randomly on there, but there you go.
I just tried the same scoring system I used below to rate Series Seven episodes. It's really interesting to see how they came out. If anyone else wants to have a go let me know in a reply and I'll show you how to do it. I'd actually disagree with the placing of a lot of these, particularly The Angels Take Manhattan and The Crimson Horror, but it's quite enlightening to see how other values than the script affect the quality of an episode.
A Town Called Mercy 9.2/10
The Time of the Doctor 9.1/10
Asylum of the Daleks 9.0/10
The Bells of Saint John:
Deep Breath: 8.7/10
The Snowmen: 8.4/10
The Angels Take Manhattan 8.4/10
The Day of the Doctor 8.3/10
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship 8.3/10
The Rings of Akhaten 8.0/10
The Power of Three: 7.8/10
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS 7.1/10
The Crimson Horror 6.8/10
Nightmare in Silver 5.6/10
The Name of the Doctor 5.3/10
Cold War: 5.1/10
For anyone interested, I decided to rank the openers a little more systematically. It's not the way I normally do things, but I'm not quite prepared to assign Deep Breath a settled numerical score, so I rated it - and each of the other openers - on a number of factors (including pacing, characters, setting, directing, resolution), and added them up to find an average. Some (The Bells of Saint John) I would have rated higher had I given it a straightforward score; others (Asylum of the Daleks) perhaps slightly lower.
Asylum of the Daleks 9/10
The Eleventh Hour: 8.8/10
Partners in Crime 8.5/10
New Earth: 8.5/10
Smith and Jones: 8.4/10
The Impossible Astronaut 8.3/10
Let’s Kill Hitler 8.0/10
5 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@TheBiPunishment Into the Dalek - 8/10
Robot of Sherwood - 7/10
Listen - 9/10
Time Heist - 8/10
The Caretaker - 8/10
Kill the Moon - 10/10
Mummy on the Orient Express - 8.5/10
Flatline - 8.5/10
In the Forest of the Night - 9.5/10
Dark Water - 9/10
Death in Heaven - ?
I really don't want to say for the finale. It sounds great, but I'm not hyping myself up for a Moffat finale to be disappointed yet again.
5 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
sontaran17: … Don't get the link lost or you and all your
bloodline will be obliterated from the internet.
sontaran17: Morning, Mr Hurst. You're awake at last.
TheAdministrator1: You got the Chat then?
sontaran17: Military tactics. The Genie is still
missing, but he will always come looking for his chat. By bringing it here, he
will be lured from the dangers of Whoniverse Discussion to this place of
safety, and we will delete his comments by flagging.
TheAdministrator1: ... okay, that last part?
sontaran17: And we will not delete his comments by
flagging. Old habits. New article. Shall I send it up?
TheAdministrator1: Yeah, why not?
Sontaran17: *spams Admin’s site with article links*
@stargazer0118 @The Genie Time and Closing Time for me. He came across as a really kind, tired old man, which I think he did best.
5 days, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk Fair enough. Well, we normally disagree! (Apart from Deep Breath - you gave it about the same as I would have.)
5 days, 18 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk Ooh, ooh, spoiler-free question. How good is Murray Gold? Do we get a new Dalek theme?
Why do I feel like the Doctor leaving Clara in Deep Breath will become even more significant later on? I have a feeling that he'll do it again, whether to her or someone else, but not come back this time.
@TheOncomingHurricane @The Genie @doctorwhotvuk Ah, thanks. That's what I was hoping to hear. I don't mind a bit of a re-run in places - imagine Dalek with Ben Wheatley and a slightly more inspiring set. And a different ending just to throw a curveball.
@doctorwhotvuk I just want to know if it's worthy of a place as a defining Dalek story, or whether it's too much of a retelling.
@doctorwhotvuk But does the overall theme seem to try something different? I don't mind if it goes down the same route for thirty whole minutes, I just want something that says something new about the Daleks.
@doctorwhotvuk Please tell me it goes somewhere new with the 'good Dalek' thing?
@stargazer0118 The End of Time.
The Time of the Doctor.
@stargazer0118 Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways
The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit
Human Nature/The Family of Blood
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
The Girl Who Waited
Asylum of the Daleks (but A Town Called Mercy comes close - great to see some recognition for it)
@TARDlSkey @The Genie @ClassicWhovian Yes!
6 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@ClassicWhovian And I don't for a minute believe the percentage of LGBT+ people is so low. Just look at the amount of comments who were gay/bi! If that's any kind of statistic, it really seriously suggests otherwise...
(Anyone up for making a graph or something?)
6 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk Speaking of articles, mine's well underway, but I've been enjoying it and getting a bit more in-depth than I thought. It'll be with you tomorrow at some point, if that's still OK.
6 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk I thought it might have been trying to keep to that awful tradition of the obligatory companion kiss; getting it out the way before 'proper' Clara is introduced.
6 days, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@GoodYear92 @doctorwhotvuk I think the fact that The Snowmen's kiss was the crux of promotional material (trailers, pics) explains why it's there. Simply to be there. And that should never, ever, be a reason for Doctor Who to do anything.
In relationship what TardisBoy said below, I just wanted to say, on a more positive note: Vastra and Jenny are great. Whatever you think of the characters, it's really good to have a recurring lesbian couple in show. As someone who also identifies as a different sexuality, I massively appreciate the recognition. And to all the backwards idiots who are complaining that it's wrong to show where children are around ("Aaaah... mummy... you bought me a football and made me watch ladies kissing AND NOW I THINK I'VE GOT A THING FOR WOMEN"), many of those children will grow up questioning their feelings and will be so grateful for the representation. I think it would be wonderful for the next generation of fans and people in general to grow up knowing that their sexual orientation could go either which way and that whatever way it goes, they'll be accepted. I applaud Moffat for writing such characters even if he knows the loud minority will complain. I think it'll pay off in the long term.