Now on Incarnation Seven.
@The Administrator People say Warwick Davis can't act?
I'll tell him...
1 day, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/
@Scribey I was just thinking that earlier. Some of the more recent designs are far more intimidating than the textbook pantomime villain we got in The Three Doctor. His mythology is especially interesting. He's more of a transcendental kind of antagonist, one who'd suit an 'End of Days' narrative. Plus, 'Omega' means 'the Last', which is a pretty cool name.
1 day, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@stargazer0118 @The Genie @The Administrator @MrJimiTheFish @TardisBoy So? Adults can have awkward dates. It seems unusual but of course it is. Danny has PTSD which would lead to emotional swings and outbursts whilst Clara faces the pressures of living a half-impossible double life.
I'm just writing up some Missy theories. While I'm doing that, what are the most popular/unusual ones here?
1 day, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@stargazer0118 @The Administrator @MrJimiTheFish @TardisBoy They're not even particularly old. Clara is only about seven years or something older than The Administrator so it wouldn't surprise me.
@TheBiPunishment I won't post an update; I'm saving it for a blog post.
Speaking of which, an advanced review of Ashes to Ashes Series 1, just for you. http: //djselby.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/same-old-scene-ashes-to-ashes-series-1-spoiler-free/
1 day, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/
@ClaraOswaldIsAwesome That's why it's time-locked rather than space-locked. Lots of alternate realities I'd imagine; lots of different scenarios and altered lifetimes. I'd hazard a guess that it relates a bit to personal experience, and that the War itself is... something else. I don't think we're meant to think about it. Because it had already happened in the RTD era, it didn't seem like such a big thing. Now, post-Day, it sticks out like a big chin.
@MrJimiTheFish @The Genie @TheBiPunishment Meh. I really couldn't care for interfering on someone else's canon. It was RTD's; it was RTD's story, his series, his decisions at that point, and I hate seeing that changed.
And I'm sure someone will come along now and tell me that Moffat is a show-runner and has his own rights to change things. Yes, he is. Yes, he does. But those changes will naturally provoke more negative reactions, and I'm entrenched among them.
@TheForgotten 80s mostly, but I like a bit of calming instrumental when I'm having a nap or a think. Occasionally a bit of modern stuff, and of course film and television music.
@Djornad @The Genie @stargazer0118 @TheBiPunishment It would make an interesting eternity.
@MrJimiTheFish @The Genie As I said, future development. If that's the case, it really needs to go somewhere.
@TheBiPunishment I really wouldn't take that as a reason. He's lived for over a thousand years, roughly, since he lost Gallifrey, yet he never once goes back, ever. I think if I spent that long away from people I've lost I'd want to see something; anything.
Plus I don't like the idea that the whole way through the RTD era he could have made a quick trip. It really undermines the weight that the Time War carried.
@stargazer0118 @The Genie @TheBiPunishment But maybe they do? That's the challenge the series poses. Clara likes to be in control but she's seen her whole life mapped out for her. As long as it doesn't get really cliched development, a predestined romance for a character like Clara could be pretty damned clever.
@MrJimiTheFish @The Genie But that's the point - he does it all the time. He'd be even more likely to if Gallifrey were concerned. Especially post-Waters of Mars, it's the kind of thing he'd have done through hubris, where I'm thinking that the only real reason for him not doing it was because he genuinely couldn't.
really does bother me about Listen is
Clara being able to access Gallifrey. Admittedly I’ve only mulled over it for the last few hours but it could
do with some elucidation. I’d rather
think the whole of Gallifrey was time-locked. Otherwise, why didn’t the Doctor go back before? I’m not talking about the Time War, but if
you’re missing your family the first logical step is to return to your
childhood. It’s simple nostalgia, and
the Doctor is gifted/burdened with the greatest possibility to execute the most perfect nostalgia ever: time
travel. Alternatively, it could just be
a one-off thing, or something that’s referenced at a later date. I hope so anyway.
@stargazer0118 @TheBiPunishment The revelation is leaving me really split. It could provide a more unusual take on their relationship, where Clara knows and feels she has to end up with Danny despite perhaps not wanting to, but, on a more negative note, it could also end up being seriously detrimental. It's Moffat. Either way, I think?
@TardisBoy Oh no, I've been in that exact same situation. But it's not just about the first date, is it? A relationship is a lot more complex than that. Ultimately, it will go in one way or another, although it doesn't have to be a way which mine have personally been in, just one that's well-presented. Resonating is essentially about being able to put yourself in a characters' shoes (as I did with both the Doctor and Clara in Listen) because of your own experiences, but if something is well-written enough, you can invest in it without any personal links.
@TardisBoy For me it's okay, but it's early days. It could go either way. It's interesting how the relationship actually poses a palpable threat to the narrative, though; whereas Rory just became TARDIS crew, there are inevitable tensions between both characters of the Doctor and Danny, with Orson setting up a 'fate' for Clara's character (is her happy ending the Doctor's tragedy?). I'm not sure about Danny so far but he could turn out to be a good character. Moffat's romantic relationships (series-wise, not personally obviously) have been very hit-and-miss, so I'll have to see if this one resonates with me.
Anyone here watch Scott and Bailey?
I've got to say, the criticisms of the Listen Second Opinion are a bit disappointing. If both John/Connor and I enjoyed episodes week on week then I'd understand, but on the whole I give very mixed reviews. Surely an episode which is popular with both halves warrants the extra praise? If the column every week is a totally balanced positive/negative then no episode stands out. Can people not be honest and regular reviewers?
I remember the days of Adam and then my first few reviews on the site, where we both received really bitter hate about our negative opinions. Now when I'm positive, people want me to be negative. It's like you just can't write to please these days.
@The Finn @ClassicWhovian You'll be the first to die...
2 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@ClassicWhovian Christmas Cracker. If that abominable Name scene wins people will start dying.
@The Administrator @The Genie Of course you're not. You? DIY? I'd pay to see that kind of infernal disaster!
2 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
TheAdministrator1: Hey. Sorry. So the famous PM at last.
TardisBoy: Yeah. Took a bit of time, family stuff, but here we are. So, er, how was your day?
TheAdministrator1: Good. You know. Watching Doctor Who.
TardisBoy: Yep, Doctor Who.
TheAdministrator1: Doctor Who, Doctor Who.
TardisBoy: Totally watching Doctor Who.
TheAdministrator1: We probably shouldn't talk about Doctor Who.
TardisBoy: God, yeah.
TheAdministrator1: Though, do you see Mr TARDIS’ review?
TardisBoy: Are you serious?
TheAdministrator1: He said he couldn't believe Clara recognised
the young Danny, because the wave was too different.
TheAdministrator1: I could make such a better critic than him.
TardisBoy: Me too.
TheAdministrator1: Except you’d only have watched half the
things I have.
TardisBoy: I read twenty three books.
TheAdministrator1: I'm sorry?
TardisBoy: Twenty three books. Before I got into TV. Twenty three.
TheAdministrator1: Okay. Good. Good books.
TardisBoy: Yeah, they were good, actually.
TheAdministrator1: I'm not doubting the quality of your books.
TardisBoy: Whole series’ read. Actual sagas full of characters. Characters I
didn't slam. Characters I enjoyed.
TheAdministrator1: Okay. Point taken. Seriously.
TardisBoy: So why doesn't that ever get mentioned?
TheAdministrator1: I'm sorry I didn't mention your twenty three
Moderator: Excuse me?
Moderator: Er, link to the new article?
TheAdministrator1: Don't you worry. He'll probably have a
TheAdministrator1: It's okay.
TardisBoy: Sensitive subject.
TheAdministrator1: Yes. Can slightly see that.
TardisBoy: Sometimes people like you get the wrong end of the stick.
TheAdministrator1: People like me?
TardisBoy: I wasn't making assumptions about you.
TheAdministrator1: That really is exactly what you were doing.
TardisBoy: You were making assumptions about me.
TheAdministrator1: I made a joke.
TardisBoy: A not-funny joke.
TheAdministrator1: Yeah, well, do you know what I'm making now?
TardisBoy: A fuss?
TheAdministrator1: A bookshelf for my Blu-Rays.
@doctorwhotvuk @Salyavin When DoctorWhoTV becomes a wildlife program.
"Here is the troll withering away... in the Autumn months, at the start of the annual School Season, their supply of attention becomes diminished until it reduces completely. Eventually the troll runs out of energy and says its farewell to the site, going away to die, sending abusive emails as it does."
3 days, 22 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@Salyavin @doctorwhotvuk They devalue all those who share their opinions by making them look unreasonable. They're their own enemies.
@doctorwhotvuk 'rage wars'
I'm just seeing Daleks and Time Lords yelling at each other.
@doctorwhotvuk Eesh. The first one might have been awful but I think he honestly believed he was right. If he believes this, then... aaaggghhh! I've been writing for the site longer than most people here and I'm not exactly a blind Moffat fanboy. I'm starting to think this guy realised he was an idiot and just embraced it.
@Mark McCullough @The Genie @TardisBoy (If he ever bleedin' watches it.)
@doctorwhotvuk @The Genie Must love The Name of the Doctor
Must love The Name of the Doctor
Chris... I accidentally moved off the highway and now all I can see is the Hive Mind.
All the Rose-hate and Name-love.
It's sad... it's unjust... it's killing me.
@ Notsosmartguy: Time Thievious Racoonus @The Genie Some of Doctor Who's most inventive stories came between 1996 and 2005. Imagine a world without The Flood or even The Gallifrey Chronicles.
3 days, 22 hours ago on Why The Decline in Overnight Ratings Doesn’t Matter
@doctorwhotvuk What did said troll post?
You know what...
...you'll all hate me for saying this...
but just this one time...
I don't care.
Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to look at, but... I'm pretty neutral. I'm not a self-acclaimed viewing specialist. And even if the show got cancelled (unlikely), it'd survive in some shape or form until its inevitable return to the screens.
There's really nothing to worry about......either way.
@doctorwhotvuk The bank goes all red, a mouth opens up at the door and all the bankers have to sing it to sleep?
Edit: that's not a bad idea. I'd pay so much to see singing bankers.
3 days, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@doctorwhotvuk Shame; she's such a talented actress. To be honest I'm hoping that she can return as a future companion. Maybe this will be the test of her dynamic with Capaldi and how well she deals with the show? I hope so. She's one of my top choices for future.
@Mark McCullough @TardisBoy If TardisBoy likes her this much already then how will he survive Ashes to Ashes? (If he ever gets onto it... hurry up you snail.)
@doctorwhotvuk How's Keeley Hawes (I mean performance-wise, not just a general friendly check-up)?
@TardisBoy For Hartnell, you've got to remember that this was the Doctor before being developed. He was a different man. Capaldi has the last few incarnations on his shoulders so he's naturally got them to live up to. But otherwise, yeah, you phrased it better than I did.
@stargazer0118 @doctorwhotvuk Obviously there's the personality transplant that comes with regeneration. There's a newly-found immortality from the fact that he now has another set of regenerations ahead of him, as opposed to Eleven who was becoming increasingly-aware of his fate - so I think he's distancing himself from mortality again, whereas the previous Doctors had a more intimate relationship with ephemeral beings like humans. Capaldi's Doctor is essentially eternal. He knows that he'll probably see all the people he meets die because he has a lot of lives left. Also, searching for Gallifrey must be driving him mad. He's probably a bit irritable.
@stargazer0118 @TardisBoy Because the reason we never saw the Doctor's full face in the last scene was because Moffat wanted to leave it ambiguous. He wouldn't do something so blatant. There's as much chance of that boy being the Doctor as there is of Danny's grandmother being Amy Pond. It's entirely down to headcanon.
@stargazer0118 He's a bit Sherlock, isn't he? But I like him. Regardless of where the character goes, Capaldi is, simply, fantastic.
I just wanted to say, really, what an absolute pleasure Listen was. I don't tend to engage with the show in the way I used to but last night was an exception. It was one of those episodes that really made me realise what Doctor Who means to me. Once upon a time, I could relate to being scared of the monster under the bed; now it's the awkward dates. How times change. But it's testament to Doctor Who as family viewing, ultimately. Not just was Listen good for all ages, but it was different. After spending a whole year meticulously studying phobias, I could really appreciate what Moffat did. It was spot-on, and the most mature and accurate depiction of fear I've seen on TV yet. Bravo. I've got to admit it: I really did love that one.
4 days, 20 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@Mark McCullough I don't think it's a trick, but it's nice and vague. If you really loathe the idea, you don't have to count it as headcanon.
4 days, 21 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
TheAdministrator1: How do I look?
The Genie: Sort of tall and camp-ish, but with a good personality, which is the
TheAdministrator1: I meant my avatar. I just changed.
The Genie: Oh, good for you, still making an effort. Okay, right, you're back in
your article, thirty seconds after you left.
TheAdministrator1: When will I see you again?
The Genie: Oh. Soon, I expect. Or later. One of those.
TheAdministrator1: I don't know.
The Genie: I'm sorry?
TheAdministrator1: You asked me if you're a good reviewer and
the answer is, I don't know. But I think you try to be and I think that's
probably the point.
The Genie: I think you're probably a depressing therapist.
TheAdministrator1: I think I'd better be.
TardisBoy: Ah, hey.
TheAdministrator1: Hey, TardisBoy.
TardisBoy: Have you changed your avatar?
TheAdministrator1: Yes. Yes, I, I have. Well noticed.
TardisBoy: Okay, good.
TheAdministrator1: Yes, good. Very good. Good work. You passed
TardisBoy: Are you really going to PM me?
TheAdministrator1: Yeah, course I am. Why wouldn't I?
TardisBoy: I just thought
TheAdministrator1: Thought what?
TardisBoy: I thought you might have a rule against people who haven't watched Life on Mars.
TheAdministrator1: No. No, not at all. Not me.
5 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
I think most of us recently have picked up on
the fact that Clara’s played such a significant role in the Doctor’s life.Honestly, I’m slightly uncomfortable with
it.It’s no new realisation that Moffat
likes to shift the responsibility of one character to another but it’s almost
as if the Doctor can’t make his own decisions anymore without her input.But, complaints aside, I also have a few more
productive thoughts on the matter,
Being an ostensibly thematically-aware series,
I’ve been wondering if the overreaching themes maybe tie in with the roles of
characters, even if we’re yet to realise it.
So: we’ve got some sort of Biblical, Spiritualist – or easier said, transcendental
subplot featuring some kind of ‘Heaven’ which, presumably, sees the elevation and
preservation of the soul after death (because we see characters die, it seems,
yet they arrive in a new environment superficially intact). So Heaven is an idyllic paradise for the
soul, which really seems like an embodiment of the conventional divine mythology. So let’s say the series is going the whole
way, addressing a lot of traditional values about the afterlife. What if Clara is the Doctor’s Guardian Angel?
I’m not sure how this could work; whether it’s figurative
or literal, but so far it’s the role that Clara’s had in the Doctor’s
life. She looks after him, she’s with
him during important moments, guiding him through important decisions; she
knows him better than anyone in the universe, even himself, and she just so
happens to be present in that moment where he’s crying himself to sleep.
We know that Clara is alive – Strax’s scanner identifies that she’s healthy with a
decent predicted lifespan. So she’s not
a spirit, but she could possess, say, supernatural abilities that she’s yet to
become aware of. Perhaps jumping into
the timestream to save the Doctor transfigured her, temporarily, for her to
return to the world, reborn, as the Doctor’s Guardian Angel. Or, more logically: she’s
externally-appointed by the ‘woman in the shop’ who sets her up as the perfect protector
for the Doctor, to change his life in small ways and to be with him the whole
Of course I would guess that whoever is
overseeing the operation has nefarious intent.
Maybe Clara is inadvertently turning the Doctor into a weapon (as a
reverse to the previous companions, who have effectively been turned into
weapons by the Doctor). Another theory I have is that Clara’s exit could
entail the Doctor forgetting her (poignant irony), or that we’re in store for a
Turn Left-esque setup where the
antagonist changes a pivotal moment in Clara’s life – say, the leaf (because
what were the chances?), thus restoring the universe to the way it was before: no
Time Lords, no Trenzalore – and, consequently, no Doctor.
5 days, 1 hour ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
@TardisBoy Yeah; I have some thoughts on that. I'll share them later.
5 days, 2 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
I'm beginning to ponder on the greater significance of the barn scene. Of all the episodes to explore the Doctor's early life on Gallifrey (albeit briefly), why one in the lead-up to the planet's return? It really makes you question whether the Doctor's childhood might be more significant than it seems. I sort of hope not, anyway. I enjoyed Listen for what it was, especially for disproving that the Doctor was loomed (and you can still have looming canon - just not during the Doctor's time).
The Event magazine gave next week's episode four stars, really praising it as a cleverly-plotted episode and referring to Hawes' performance as deliciously evil. That bodes well.
5 days, 3 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/
The Genie: See, all those years ago, when I began, I
was just commenting. I called myself the Genie, but it was just a name. And
then I went to Horde’s wbesite. And then I met you lot and I understood who I
was. The Genie was not the Daleks. Oh, look. It's your internet history
again. It's like somebody's mucking about up there. History, all that history.
Do you remember the kitten you saw being born on YouTube?
The Genie: You saw the truth, Rusty. Remember how you felt. You saw a kitten being
born. The endless rebirth of the fluff.
The Genie: And you realised the truth about the Trolls.
Troll: Truth? What is the truth?
The Genie: Let me show you the truth. I've opened your tab and now I'm coming in.
I'm part of you. My history is in your history.
Troll: I see your mind, Genie. I see your internet.
The Genie: And isn't the internet beautiful?
Troll: I see beauty.
The Genie: Yes, that's good. That is good. Hold on to that.
Troll: I see endless, divine streaming.
The Genie: Make it a part of you. Remember how you feel right now. Put it inside
you and live by it.
Troll: I see into your screen, Genie. I see beauty. I see divinity. I see…
The Genie: Hatred?
Troll: I see your hatred of the Trolls and it is
The Genie: No, no, no. You must see more than that, there must be more than that.
to the Trolls!
6 days, 23 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/