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@LawyerHandle That low margin, combined with its bulk and transport costs is probably the reasons the Mexican cartels got into the business.  Everyone else was getting out of the pot business.  The successful eradication efforts of home growers opened the market to Mexico. If we had a secure border we might have stopped that trade too.  There is something really shitty about people smoking pot from mexico knowing how many innocent people die over there to get it to them.

4 days, 18 hours ago on Is Legal Pot Crippling the Cartels?

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@JohnChristopher1 A Pharma company that makes a insect resistant, or draught resistant cannabis plant would be able to patent it.  If they genetically modified the plant to increase the THC level, reduce the carcinogen level or give it a different flavor that could also be patented.  And the gov't, interested in only having to collect taxes from a few large companies would be very willing to help them secure those patents to the disfavor of the small growers.  They would end up being able to grow a pound or so a year for personal use, with jail time for reselling it.  Much like personal distillers are regulated now.

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@Waterborne Currently, 24 States allow cannabis and cannabinoids to treat certain medical conditions.  I'm in favor of doctors using every tool at their disposal to treat disease and disorder.  But, my point remains, that what is behind cannabis for "medicinal" use is an agenda  for cannabis for casual recreational use.  Like we just recently saw in Colorado.


And the proof of that is fairly obvious.  How many other life saving drugs or treatments have to be put on ballot initiatives to be approved?  Was Open Heart Surgery made available by a voter referendum?  Did Penicillin have to have voter approval to be given to patients?

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@A7Dave @CarpeNoctem And their bio chemists will enhance the THC levels,  enhance the taste, try to mask the nasty odor, add filters to extract the carcinogens in the smoke, package it and market it.  And, since the Gov't stands a better chance of reaping a bigger return of tax revenue on large conglomerates marketing pot over Ma and Pa Stoner growing it in their backyard the gov't will pass regulations to put the small farmers out of business in favor of the big Agro or Pharma companies.

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@mrspaul @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) @CarpeNoctem From the National Cancer Institute's website;


The main psychoactive constituent of Cannabis was identified as delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). In 1986, synthetic delta-9-THC in sesame oil was licensed and approved for the treatment of chemotherapy -associated nausea and vomiting under the generic name dronabinolClinical trials determined that dronabinol was as effective as or better than other antiemetic agents available at the time.[7] Dronabinol was also studied for its ability to stimulate weight gain in patients with AIDS in the late 1980s. Thus, the indications were expanded to include treatment of anorexia associated with human immunodeficiency virus infection in 1992. Clinical trial results showed no statistically significant weight gain, although patients reported an improvement in appetite.[8,9]


http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page3

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@mrspaul @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) @CarpeNoctem Yes, which is why pot legalization isn't really about medical patients.  It's about drug addiction explained away as; "Its my medicine."  

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@CarpeNoctem @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) @A7Dave Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point.  And I took no offence.  I'm sure that's as polite as you know how to be.

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@CarpeNoctem @A7Dave Actually, I've always been kinda disgusted with the way recreational smokers pimp "cancer patients and chronic pain sufferers" as the gateway to get what they really want. To smoke MJ to get high.

5 days, 17 hours ago on Is Legal Pot Crippling the Cartels?

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@CarpeNoctem What makes you think the Pharma companies won't start growing it?  You think it will stay Mom and Pop organic farming?  Seriously?

5 days, 18 hours ago on Is Legal Pot Crippling the Cartels?

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@papasmarvin @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) None of that answered my question.  Which was about the false moral equivalence that people like you persist in making.  You somehow manage to hold several contradicting ideas in your head at the same time and believe them all to be true.  That is to say;


Cheney is morally bad for not serving in the illegal, immoral Vietnam War.


While Clinton is a  moral hero for ducking service in that same illegal, immoral Vietnam War.


While Kerry is a moral hero for serving in the illegal, immoral, Vietnam War while confessing he engaged in actions that added to its immorality and illegality.




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@YankeePapa @caseymac1944 And the Japanese were more fanatical than the Jihadis as well.  In Japan you had a suicidal death cult inside a major industrial state.  It started the war with 6 million troops under arms, 10 aircraft carriers, 12 battleships, nearly 30 heavy cruisers, thousands of planes and 120 million people willing to die for the Emperor on order. Near the end, they didn't have guys wearing suicide vests, but hundreds of ships, boats, subs and even the largest battleship ever built going out on suicide missions.  It didn't help them a bit.   In just under 4 years, it was all gone, the country largely laid waste, the population starving.  We rebuilt that nation in a form of our liking and choosing and today they are an ally, economically prosperous, pluralistic in government and de-radicalized in terms of their religion.


There is a lesson in that for us in dealing with the Islamists.

6 days, 17 hours ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@caseymac1944 What they did in WWII in dropping the Atomic bombs was pick the lessor of two evils.  Obliterate two cities and end the war, or invade, obliterate the entire country and kill millions of them and lose a million of ours.  Today, many people lack moral clarity, let alone moral certainty about what is right and wrong.  That partially underlies the criticism of enhanced interrogation techniques expressed here; "


"We're just as bad as them if we do this"  -No we aren't.  We aren't torturing innocent civilians and videotaping it for propaganda.  We are doing this to the people planning and engaging in these outrages.   The Left engages in this moral confusion all the time.  A criminal butchers a whole family of innocents and they take up the cause of saving the killer from execution.  Saying society is just as bad as the killer.  What they can't seem to grasp from a moral standpoint is that the innocent victims, were just that, innocent.  Killed for kicks, money or just plain evil depravity.  Society isn't killing an innocent in putting a killer to death.  They are punishing him in retribution for destroying the lives of innocent people unjustly.


We are not torturing for kicks.  We are doing what we must to prevent innocent lives from being destroyed by evil.  We are picking the lesser of two evils.


6 days, 18 hours ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@Coriolanus @HonestBroker247 I think I big part of the problem is that civilians, without ANY background or exposure to the vast number interrogation techniques employed,still believe they are the arbiters of what works and what doesn't.  They're way out of their lane.

6 days, 18 hours ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@HonestBroker247 @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) When I went to SERE you signed a waiver holding the military harmless from harm that could come to you in that training. So that isn't a big deal.   And I agree with Waterborne on the Left's tendency to try and criminalize the politics of the Right.



Finally, there is no shield within US law that can waive extradition for international crimes against humanity.  We signed those treaties.  But don't worry, the Left isn't going to press for CIA agents and military personnel to be brought before the ICC in irons and prison jumpsuits.  They know they're unpopular enough as it is.

6 days, 18 hours ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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FDR didn't serve in the military and sent over 400,000 Americans to their deaths in WW2.

And please explain to me how this whole Cheney/deferments/Vietnam War thing works.

The left claims that the Vietnam War was this illegal immoral war that should never have been fought. At least that was the Left's defense of Bill Clinton's deferments. Bill Clinton sent troops off to fight in Bosnia, Somalia and Iraq.

Then we have Vice President Joe Biden who is in the decision-making loop to send troops off to fight. But his five draft deferments in Vietnam aren't an issue apparently.

Then we get to John Kerry. Who admitted to committing actual atrocities and war crimes in that immoral illegal Vietnam War. And he was the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

So was Cheney's crime that he didn't serve in an immoral and illegal war that Bill Clinton was justified in avoiding? Or was it that he didn't go over to that immoral and illegal war and help John Kerry commit more war crimes?

1 week ago on CIA Torture Report: Why Was It Released?

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Àttention Liberals. May I remind you that the CIA is part of the government you have empowered to control your healthcare, tell you what kind of lightbulbs to use, how to sort your garbage and hide the salt shakers from you in restaurants unless you ask for it pretty please. Having handed so much over to the State in terms of your day to day life, does the government really need to take your feelings about the moral, legal and ethical considerations of the treatment of foreign terrorists into account? You folks cant be trusted with a salt shaker. Do you trust the government to run things and make the decisions or not? Lets us know when you decide.

1 week ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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If the soldier's footwear covers the ankle and has a distinct heel attached to the sole made of leather or wood,, it is by definition "A boot" and not a shoe.

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Just released from Pew: "Being kind to terrorists during interrogations" ranks 1,564,116th on Americans' list of priorities.  We got our $40 million dollars worth didn't we?

1 week, 1 day ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@ConsummateCanuck The exception does not prove the rule.

1 week, 1 day ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@Kiyabear @Frumentarius China has murdered upwards of 20 million of their own citizens for concerns related to 'national security.' That isn't even remotely close to what the CIA did in enhanced interrogations.  Your remarks strongly suggest that you look at the US and think; 


 "Because it is not perfect, it is not good."

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@clluelo @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) And ISIS declaring themselves a "state" and levying taxes and issuing passports might have something to do with them wanting their captives to be treated like POWs instead of unlawful combatants under the Geneva Accords.

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What the Dems are accusing the CIA of are crimes against humanity.  Unless the Dems are also calling for those involved to be turned over to the ICC for prosecution they can just STFU with their BS chest thumping.

1 week, 1 day ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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@Recon6 @Minou_Demimonde @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) Let me posit this.  If Bush had not extended Lawful Combatant Status to these terrorists, they would have no legal status that anyone could bitch about.  The international handwringers could review the Tribunal proceedings for fairness and that would be about it.  We might not have even needed to torture anyone if we were in the position to say to an "Unlawful Combatant; 


"The Military Tribunal has found you to be unlawful combatant in this conflict because you engaged in hostilities on your own and not at the direction of any national authority, you did so without a distinctive uniform marking you as a combatant, and you were not acting under the responsible authority of a chain of command accountable to a nation/state government.  You have been sentenced to execution in the morning.  Unless you have information that could be of use in saving American lives, that is exactly what will happen. Think about what you want to eat for a last meal and I'll be back in an hour with your rug and a bag to put  your things in following the execution of sentence tomorrow.



1 week, 1 day ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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Probably thinking; "Gee, I hope they don't torture the people responsible for this."


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4dMI_PCUAErrHu.jpg:large

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By the way, the Christmas holiday was a great time for the committee to release this report.  I'm sure all the guys deployed overseas are going to really enjoy spending the next 6 weeks in high alert status. 'Cause we Support the Troops, or something, right?

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@LawyerHandle Gee, for a moment there I thought you were talking about that Rolling Stone piece, or the grand jury decision in Ferguson, or Donald Sterling's racist outburst, or Hobby Lobby, or climate change, or, or ,or....

1 week, 2 days ago on CIA “Torture” Report: An Honest Debate?

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A few points that occurred to me during the media coverage of this today.


This report has a certain amount of shark-jumping in it.  An outgoing Senate Majority trying to get it's licks in before it goes out of power.  Expect the new Majority in January to give the CIA a little more credit.


The release of this report also seems to be convenient to trying the suck the air out of Jonathan Gruber testifying before Congress today where he stated under oath that he was actually lying in all those public appearances about O-Care being sold deceitfully to the stupid, gullible American People.   He must have watch the Frank Pentangeli scenes in The Godfather II over and over until he got the part down.


People claiming torture doesn't work are bucking two important facts. First, if torture doesn't work, why have we invested millions in SERE schools for 60 years trying to make our troops resistant to torture?  And 2nd, if it didn't work, why did we continue to do it for 10 years?  Sadism?  


The Bush Administration made a major mistake extending Geneva Convention protections to terrorists.    The Geneva Accords were written in the attempt to outlaw the very kid of warfare that AQ and other Islamist barbarians are engaging in.  Don't take my word for it, go and read it yourselves and the history behind it being written.  Lawful combatants have rights as prisoners of war.  Unlawful combatants have no rights as prisoners of war. NONE... The sole and only purpose of a military tribunal under the Accords should have been the determination of combatant status, not their guilt or innocence as terrorists.  The US Criminal Code does not apply to 'foreign' nationals acting in 'foreign' countries.   Oddly, it's the people most critical about supposed American Imperialism that argue that US law should be applied to foreign nationals living in foreign countries.  It's nonsense.


If a military tribunal determines that a combatant is unlawfully engaged, enhanced interrogation is very much on the table.  So is a summary execution of the unlawful combatant upon such a finding.   In order to avoid doing any of these things we no engage in drone strike executions of suspected terrorists in foreign countries without any tribunals at all.  The civilian casualties that attenuate these strikes ought to make us have another look at the Geneva Accords and see if we can't operate within them as they were written, deal with the terrorists as illegal combatants and try to restore a little civilized behavior to making war on each other.


That being said.  The hue and cry that led to the UN The Convention on Torture was not because of outrage at the treatment of captured terrorists but to shield ordinary citizens who were imprisoned for political crimes in their own countries.  And to protect from extradition people who would be tortured and imprisoned if returned to where they escaped from.  Typically, communist countries.  The UN definition of torture states that it must be "severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental" which is a rather subjective set of terms.  Defined so subjectively I reason that the UN could plausibly claim the boot camps our various armed forces are "torturing" their recruits.


The simple solution would be to repudiate the Geneva Accords and withdraw from them and do the same with the UN Convention on Torture.  Then we can do as we please, according to our own values and principles without risking the righteous indignation of such Human Rights protectors as Libya, Russia, Cuba, and China and the useful idiots carrying water for them in this country.


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@BudWeiser1 @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) I tell my kids to read the Bible and watch CNN, that way they get to hear both sides.

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@YankeePapa You know what?  The thing about the Soviets attempting a moon landing was a thing when I was in the Navy back in the 80's.  The story was they balled it up and killed their guys trying to set down. Never tried again after.  I don't buy it now, since there is no credible confirmation(like Sat images that would show the crash site.  But then, it was all hush-hush and a secret.  The source at the time was what I would consider impeccable..

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I would like to add this to the above; Be of a "discriminating" mind.  Look for the truth of something because it is the truth, not because it agrees with what you already believe.


Always be prepared to change your mind on better information or new facts.  A true sense of Intellectual honesty demands it.  You will encounter many people willing to twist facts or ignore them altogether to protect their own bias.  Ditch them immediately.


There is no such thing as an "objective observer" an "unbiased person"  or an "honest broker."  We are incapable of not being influenced by our own biases and ideas about how things work.  An intellectually honest man recognizes and discloses his own biases up front, he doesn't pretend not to have any.   Be very suspicious of the person claiming to be unbiased, objective or totally honest.  They never are.  And their end game in any argument is to claim you are biased while they are starched white and pure of thought and heart.  It's a means of avoiding an intellectual discussion, not participating in one.


The claim that something is "settled"  proves on its face that it almost never is.  It used to be settled that the universe was contracting.(Wrong.)  It used to be settled that you couldn't go faster than the speed of light.(Wrong.)   That you could time travel through black holes.(Probably wrong) And these are Laws of Physics that were dead opposite wrong, not who's budget deficit numbers are more reliable.  


Claims that things are "settled" is a way of keeping you from inquiring further.  Don't fall for it.


Finally, don't get your ego wrapped around the axle of your rhetoric.  SOFREP has some very smart, perceptive people as writers and members.  As soon as you skyline yourself as being more ego invested in winning an argument than making one stick, you will get branded a boor, and get ignoored.


Oh and don't correct people's spelling as a substitute for a substantive rebuttal.  The person who does so stands out as an intellectual lightweight who defaults to trying to be the teachers pet and smugly slap the chalkboard erasers out after class.


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@BudWeiser1 The Nielsen ratings says no one is actually watching MSNBC, so there must be very few liberals.

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@BrandonWebb Thank you Chief, I'm planning on it.  We'll wet our wings.

1 month ago on Three Reasons Why SEAL Leaders Are Upset at O’Neill & Bissonnette

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   Been around since "The Death Star Days" as Brandon once put it. I was an early defender of Bissonnette's obligation to correct the false narrative put out by the Administration when OBL got his facelift courtesy of an ST-6 housecall. To me, It just seemed like a much bigger event in history than just another autobiography about one SEAL's experiences on the Teams.  An important chapter in history that needed to be told.   Then it turned out Bissonnette's version had its own problems.  Now we have the O'Neill book that conflicts with Bissonnette's account. 


  So what was a very proud moment in US military history, the culmination of over a decade of hunting and searching for the worst Islamist terrorist in history is now the stuff of mockery on the news and social media.  Even the bullet that killed  OBL is writing a book now according to the Duffle Blog and the Navy is even considering a new rating; "Special Warfare Authorator" SWA.


    Back in the beginning, SOFREP.com's stated mission was to try and correct the errors about SOFs that appeared in the media.  It's not lost on me that SOFREP now finds itself trying to correct SOF guys that are appearing in the media.  So, Bravo Zulu and carry on Chief Webb.

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@Waterborne It's not outdated as much as it is a totally inaccurate representation of the Left versus Right political spectrum which is actually quite simple.  On the Left you have political systems which seek to expand the scope and reach of the State at the expense of individual freedom, on the Right, those who seek to expand the scope and reach of individual freedom at the expense of the State.  At the extreme Right is Anarchy, or no government at all. On the Left an all encompassing State that exerts its will on the People. You may pick between Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Nazism or Monarchism on the Left as its extremes.

 It's not lost on me that all of these totalitarian systems originated in Europe.  They all have their roots in European Monarchism where all political 'Rights' are vested in the monarch who then lends a portion of them to the People to exercise on his behalf. All power is concentrated at the top and goes down.  What's the difference between a King having all the power and a Dictator?  Or the apparatchiks of a Central Committee? Or the 'scientific social experts' running the socialist model?  The American model stood all that on its head.  All Rights and all Political power are vested in the Individual who then lends a portion of that to the State to exercise on their behalf.  Power is diffuse and starts at the bottom and goes up.   And we have a Republic, where certain rights are unalienable and out of reach by the tyranny of a majority, which is what occurs in a 'pure' democracy like Greece once had before it destroyed itself.

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@Waterborne There are people working for the government who need to go to jail over this.  The evidence points to a coordinated effort to use the IRS to violate the civil rights of an entire class of citizens.  It cannot stand.

1 month, 1 week ago on How Glen Greenwald Recontextualizes & Profits Off Snowden’s Leaked Documents

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@LadyHW I think worse, more like Johnny Walker.  But Snowden's volume was much greater.

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@Coriolanus @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) That the IRS used the tax code to harass, intimidate and violate the rights of American citizens who were overwhelmingly conservative in their politics is not a matter of speculation, but is a fact.  Proven by documents released by the IRS.  What is at issue currently is who ordered it?  Who participated in it?  It is not bias or emotionally charged to relate the facts and draw logical conclusions from them.    Did you really think attacking my motives would be good cover for you not addressing my points?   That's high school debate team stuff.

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@Coriolanus @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)  Forgetting for a moment your own advice about not stuffing people into buckets, but If Progressives and Conservatives seek the exact same thing,  the acquisition of power,    why make any political distinction between them at all?.   Lol.  The acquisition of political power is not in and of itself a bad thing.  Any political structure the shifts policy and decision making to others is going to bestow that structure with 'power.'  The good and bad of it is measured in how much power is vested in the state, how it is used and to what ends. If you've reduced Progressives and Conservatives to the absurd reduction of mutual power seeking, you really haven't looked into it.  You're missing major and important distinctions between the two regarding the role of government in society, a struggle between collective and individual rights, the intrusion of the State in matters of life, liberty, self determination and property ownership.  Its easy to temporize that a guy who pushes an old lady in front of a bus and a guy who pushes an old lady out of the way of a bus are both the same;  They are pushing old ladies around after all. But both are doing it for very different reasons that ought to be considered before pronouncing a pox on both their houses.


And I did read the article, several times actually.  You make several points, some good and some weak as we have been discussing..  The strongest tends to be your assessment of Snowden's motives for doing what he did.  I agree with you and others who think Snowden is exceptionally bright.  But that can be a fatal flaw in some people.  The very bright can sometimes come to think that their own intelligence is the conclusive proof that everyone else is stupid and unworthy.  That they know best always and that they are smart enough to handle anyone and anything that confronts them.  I suspect some of that exists in Snowden.  Had I been in the position to advice him at the time, I would have encouraged him to take the legal whistleblower route.  At least he would have the protection of US law on his side rather than the law trying to indict him under the Espionage Act.   His political views are a muddled mash of utopianism and radical egalitarianism which is not really surprising given his age and political immaturity.  However, that political immaturity combined with his hubris resulted in his passport being revoked and then finding himself the 'guest' of Putin's rebranded Soviet Union.  


    I think you are also on the money regarding the manipulation of Snowden by Greewald.  Though it may have escaped your notice that the Open Secrets peeps of the world like ANON, Wikileaks and Greenwald never 'expose' the nefarious secrets of the Chinese, Russians, North Koreans, Islamists or Cubans, just the US and other western democracies.  I guess these totalitarian regimes can keep their secrets and reputations as good actors on the international stage unblemished.


That being said, I think Snowded has a point, though he is not the first person to try and make it.  There have been others, more highly placed, more mature and more seasoned in their craft who have been very badly treated as Whistleblowers. Guys like Bill Binny and Russ Tice.  If these programs are so above board, why blast people who raise concerns within official channels?


I also think it's in error to ascribe delusions of persecution to everyone who suspects the NSA is going further than it ought to.  (Speaking of reconceptualizing people)    People can have concerns about these programs without being a Snowden acolyte in a tin foil hat looking for chem trails in the sky and a Fed under their beds.  




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Boot Camp at Great Lakes through November(it blew so cold it made your eyes and nose water and burned your skin), SERE in Maine in December(months before I got feeling back in my toes). and some cold water jumps as a SAR Swimmer in a wetsuit(nothing like 50 degree ice water to make your hands and feet ache for hours).  Hot is much preferable to cold.  And I agree with the writer, military people live and die by what the weather will be in 1 hour, 4 hours, after nightfall, the next day.  Cause if the weather sucks, someone higher up is gonna have you out in it training.


Since the military, I don't think I've ever really been as cold.  But when it does dip into the 30s here in SW Florida (Global 'Warming' my ass) my memory always returns to snatching mere minutes of sleep on the side of a mountain under a shelter made of pine brows scrunched inside two wet  Air Force feather down sleeping bags, shivering to the point of exhaustion and even anger at not being able to control it. And I think "Ha!  I'll never be that cold again" 

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@Coriolanus @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)  Speaking of moving the goal posts. 


Yes, I do assume certain qualities of Conservatism because it has certain qualities that make it recognizable from say Progressivism which has its own qualities.  Do you really think you can fall back on a "It depends on what the meaning of 'is', is" kind of dodge?



Was it unreasonable to assume that since you are talking about an American breaking American laws regarding warrantless surveillance of American citizens, that you are also talking about the reaction as it relates to the American  form of politics?  


And political graphs are subjective if you make them so intentionally.  But reasoned comparisons can be made from political systems and philosophies and clear and fair distinctions can be made. Assuming one is doing so to illustrate rather than indoctrinate the reader.


My point is that the graph muddies the waters of your own argument.

1 month, 2 weeks ago on How Glen Greenwald Recontextualizes & Profits Off Snowden’s Leaked Documents

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@LadyHW @SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) Maybe, Supreme Court Justices are appointed to life terms.  They might have been the better choice in making those appointments for oversight judges.

1 month, 2 weeks ago on How Glen Greenwald Recontextualizes & Profits Off Snowden’s Leaked Documents

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@Coriolanus Can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Congress is doing it's job inquiring about how many times the IRS Director visited the WH and then say who cares anyway.  The comparisons to DNI visits and past iRS directors has already been made by others in Congress and the Media.  And its not a favorable one.  And we really won't know until the government employees of the IRS actually submit themselves to the Congressional oversight that is part of their duty as public servants.


And if its all the same to you I'd rather be asked about my positions on things rather than just have you write strawman positions for me that you can stuff into your "They're all paranoid cranks" theory of dissent. (Sneaky Morton Daemons? WTH?)

1 month, 2 weeks ago on How Glen Greenwald Recontextualizes & Profits Off Snowden’s Leaked Documents

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@Coriolanus If I said Hitler hated communists it wouldn't make him a conservative Republican either.   Adolf Hitler was a Vegan, non-smoking, animal loving, pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, back to nature socialist who declared himself the enemy of free market capitalism and organized religion.  


If someone is an American Progressive Liberal what's not to like about that?


There is nothing in the Platform of the NAZI Party that I could identify as Conservative.  I defy you to.  At the time, the NAZIs were big fans of FDR's Progressive movement.  Praise of the New Deal in the NAZI  press was so effusive that it was hurting FDR politically here in the States, so they knocked it off.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/naziprog.html


As for Fascism it did come from Italy and Germany to a lesser degree.  As Mussolini himself described it   "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."   That describes liberalism's politics of everything better than the Hobbesian and Lockean notion of Rights and political power being vested in the Individual. That the State be restrained  by enumerated powers and be an expression of their political will, rather than the People being forced to act as the instrument of the State's will. Next time you hear a liberal say you shouldn't be able to buy a softdrink beyond a certain size, or that only certain people should be allowed to speak at a college campus think about that.


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@Coriolanus Did I move the goal posts?  You were making a point about the protections in the law that should prevent abuse of it by government officials.  I actually agree that the Patriot Act can be used legally but question whether this administration enjoys the confidence of the American People to act within the restraints of that law.


I used the IRS scandal (which is more criminal than political as scandals go) to claim that such a lack of confidence isn't irrational.


As for collusion between the White House and the IRS.  The IRS director visited the WH 157 times before the scandal broke. He testified his visits were for things like Easter Egg hunts.  Lois Lerner is a public servant, working for an agency that Congress had oversight of. She took the 5th Amendment rather than submit to being questioned by that Oversight Committee.  I submit  that the IRS did a lot more than make mistakes.  You don't plead the 5th for mistakes.  You take the 5th to avoid implicating yourself criminally.

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@LadyHW And I'm not so sure that Federal judges appointed by the President are the right people to oversee and restrain the President and his appointee if they overstep their bounds when it comes to the Patriot Act.

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@Coriolanus @HonestBroker247 I think any trust that the Patriot Act would not be abused is intimately tied to the faith that people have in their government not to abuse the power that something like the Patriot Act vests in the state.    Given this administration's use of the IRS to abuse the 1st, 4th and 14th Amendment rights of its political enemies on the right, you can hardly blame people for being suspicious of it when it comes to being restrained when it comes to the Patriot Act.  Congress was also suppose to have oversight with the IRS, but that didn't stop IRS officials from criminally colluding with the White House did it?

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@HonestBroker247 @Waterborne The philosophical claim that human Rights are God Given does not mean you automatically have a grant to the political rights of a government that protects them. Men must make such governments for themselves. If it's true that Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed then it is no contradiction to not apply laws to people who have not done something to indicate their consent to be governed by our laws.. Like seek citizenship?


And I would not accept that God is "uniformly in charge everywhere"  as you put it.  Man have free will, to do good or evil.  To seek Truth or self delusion.

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