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@AllTideUp 6 rotating pods of 3 is mathematically impossible to have each pair of pods in the same division 2/5 of the time. You'd have to have some play 1/5 and others 3/5 of the time. Of course, you could then re-jigger the rotation every 5 years to even it out.Another alternative:Pod of 6, 4 pods of 3. The pod of 6 plays other teams 1/4 of the time; the pods of 3 play each other 2/4 of the time. Alternative with rule change:If you can't stage a 2-step championship, then simply take the 2 best division winners. A Wild-Card system would be nice though.
@DaveHenson That is how I see it as well. Virginia and Georgia Tech to the Big Ten.Duke and UNC would pick Big Ten over SEC; but if the Big Ten didn't send them an invite (temporary 16-team psychological ceiling), would those two schools wait a bit longer in the ACC if the SEC asked right away?Miami and Pittsburgh would be the last two bubble teams on a 4-team Big 12 expansion. I wouldn't be surprised by either. NC State and/or Va Tech would be on their radar too if the SEC scored a coup with Duke and/or UNC and the Big 12 wanted to go to the 'full' 16.
So, with 16 teams in both the SEC and Big 12 and with a scheduling agreement between the two...
...wouldn't that equal 4 divisions of 8, with a few extra games scattered about:
NORTHWEST:
Texas/Oklahoma/Texas Tech/Baylor/OK State/Kansas St/Kansas/Iowa St
SOUTHWEST:
Texas A&M/LSU/Alabama/Auburn/Arkansas/Missouri/Ole Miss/Miss St
SOUTHEAST:
Florida/Georgia/Tennessee/Vanderbilt/South Carolina/NC State/Va Tech/Kentucky
NORTHEAST:
W Virginia/Louisville/Florida St/TCU/Ga Tech/Clemson/Pittsburgh/Miami
Each team gets 7 division rivals and 1 permanent cross-over rival. Perhaps 1 or 2 more games are thrown in to keep schedules competitive.
At this rate, once the Big 12 grant-of-rights concludes, I could see a full-on merger.
Example cross-overs:A&M-TexasBaylor-TCU
'Bama-Tennessee
Florida-FSU
Georgia-GT
Carolina-Clemson
Missouri-Kansas
Kentucky-Louisville
VT-WV
Vandy-Ole Miss
Oklahoma-Miami
Arkansas-Texas Tech (most of the rest could rotate)
Auburn-Georg... oh, wait... -OK State
Pitt-NCSU
LSU-KSU
Iowa State-Miss St
If Florida beats Florida State, they may clinch a BCS spot by finishing #4 in the standings. Not sure the Fiesta would enjoy that change of events when Manziel and A&M would be much preferable..
Although the southern incest jokes may fly, a Bama-Florida Sugar Bowl is conceivable. But I do think a 1-loss Clemson has the edge there. Also, the Gators are 1 loss by ND/UO/KSU away from reaching a guaranteed BCS bowl (Top 4 finish), so the Sugar Bowl may be in such a quandary. Especially if Georgia is the SEC Champ, you might see some horse-trading where the Sugar Bowl gets the Fiesta to take the Gators in exchange for "future considerations" (next year the Sugar Bowl picks before the Fiesta).I did see that La Tech is only 4 ranks away from the minimum BCS Buster rank. If they win out and the Big East champ has a 2nd loss, it could be the Tech Bulldogs playing in the Sugar Bowl. What a way for the WAC to go out.
You know... Florida is sitting at #6 in the BCS.
If all the above happens to let a 1-loss SEC champ in, you can just add a 3rd loss (or a 2-loss SEC Champ) and viola the Gators are in the title game.Well, it may not be that easy. A 1-loss Oregon, KSU, or Notre Dame may be favorable to a 1-loss Florida (but the computers look favorably on the Gators). So, we better throw in a rockin' landslide over Florida State to sway the human voters as well as the computers.
@mikee4bama The Champions Bowl (Sugar Bowl) is slated to host a semifinal 4 times over the 12 year playoff period.New Orleans, Arlington, and any other city will still be eligible to bid on hosting the National Championship.
Hey! That 7th game might actually become a reality. Hmm... maybe good decisions will be made.http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/8400420/conference-commissioners-discuss-tweaking-college-football-postseason-format
@GrayGrantham Why split it when you can pit the Sugar against the Cotton to get the best deal? The SEC/Big 12/Champions will work out a deal such that if the neo-BCS wants to have a semifinal at their site then they will get paid at least the $80 million for it. Same with the Rose Bowl.
@DanHogan I am with you on the "best remaining at-large team." Why shackle yourself to limited options?
I also think the Rose/Champions should be able to get into the semifinals if some of their champions are included. The only problem with this is they already ditched the "anchor bowl" setup for a rotation because the conferences and bowls wanted more certainty in what the post-season would look like before a given year.
I could see, however, the Orange/Rose/Champions occupying 1 semifinal spot and allowing the host of the semifinal to change on the fly if certain conditions are met. Priority might be given like this:
1. If both a Big Ten and Pac-12 team are included, the Rose will host the semifinal for them
2. If both a Big 12 and SEC team are included, the Champions will host the semifinal for them
3. If an ACC team is in the semifinal, the Orange will host
4. If none of the above conditions are met then the bowl that least recently hosted may host
5. This bowl may defer (ex. if Rose would rather keep Big Ten vs. Pac-12) to the next, repeating Step 4
I am kinda hoping they cap the 12-team neo-BCS at 3 teams per conference.
This week they are working out the revenue sharing process. My hope there (more of a Christmas wish rather than anything likely) is the addition of a 7th bowl outside of the semifinal rotation and 3 regional Tier-III bowls which together would ensure each conference champion a spot in the Neo-BCS.
Sugar(Champions) - #1 LSU vs. #3 OK State
Fiesta(Access) - #2 Alabama vs. #5 Oregon
Orange - #15 Clemson vs. #6 Arkansas
Rose - #4 Stanford vs. #10 Wisconsin
Cotton - #7 Boise St vs. #8 Kansas St
Peach - #11 Virginia Tech vs. #13 Michigan
Tangerine (7th bowl) #17 Michigan St vs. #23 West Virginia
Tier-III West: #21 Southern Miss vs. NR Nevada
Tier-III North: NR Northern Illinois vs. NR Arkansas State
Tier-III South: #18 TCU vs. #19 Houston
Tada! Now all the conferences get a slice (some larger, some much smaller) through a bowl game. Independents and the FCS can get a minor payment as now.
@HoustonVol That is my thought as well, as far as what would be exciting. Play 2 teams from the Atlantic and 2 from the Coastal, and count those as conference games (which the ACC can do if they wish), and then schedule 5 more cross-division games so that all the ACC teams play 9 "conference" games but Notre Dame doesn't add undo stress to those schedules. The 5th ND neutral-site game would not count in the conference standings.
@DanHogan @John at MrSEC @sojourner So, what I am getting is that across 6 years, Notre Dame will play 30 ACC games. 28 / 30 will be simple 2 game series against each of the 14 ACC teams. The last 2 games will be "road games" or, simply, neutral site games played against an ACC team for a 3rd time during that 6-year window. Whether any of the other ACC games are played at neutral sites is yet to be determined.
@HoustonVol Bingo. People get in the football mindset that 16 is the number... when 15 works a little better without the hassle of finding a new team.
As a note, you don't have to have a multiple of 4 teams to have 4 quads/divisions. You have to divvy up teams into 2 divisions whether you have 12 or 20; slicing it 4 ways just allows the quads to pair off and on with each other as division-mates.
Thanks for the update.It'd be interesting if Houston made it in. I guess that would kick Atlanta out in favor of Arlington. I can still see Atlanta (or Orlando) getting a 4-year (plus) stint as the #7 bowl with first choice of teams after those in the 12-year semifinal rotation. Orlando would probably be more ready for that spot while Atlanta would probably call dibs on the next best SEC team available.
Are you too old to go back to 5th grade?Georgia has a 70% chance of beating Tennessee while Tennessee has a 50% chance of beating Georgia? I like what someone else said about bringing back the tie-game.
If these WERE betting odds (ala John's horse-racing comment), MrSEC would be making bank if enough people put money down.
I am not sure math is being used here.
Georgia and Tennessee have a combined chance of going 120%??? Ha
@John at MrSEC I like the draft idea very much!
@GrayGrantham That money is not going to just disappear. The SEC and Big 12 will still get their money even if the Champions Bowl is a semifinal.I will say, to the original article, wasn't the plan to have 1 of the semifinals at either the Orange/Rose/Champions on January 1st and the other at an Access Bowl on December 31st?