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That is a very good point that I forgot about. Patrick Miller was a 4 star out of Florida that was planning to enroll in the spring, but Miles asked him to Grey shirt him to make room for Kiel. So I think it was Kiel that threw Miles and LSU under the bus and not the other way around.
1 year ago on Conversation @ http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ohio-State-beats-out-LSU-for-Class-of-2013-QB-commit.html
@big94daddy @B34R51 Kiel may not have had the chest to play in the SEC.
I would say Gunner Kiel threw Les Miles under the bus when he failed to notify Miles about his change of mind. Is a man's word not worth anything anymore.
To add to things, Kiel was on a BR radio talk show about how excited he was to be playing for LSU and that his plans were to enroll in the Spring.
But, he is too nice to be playing for hot headed Kelly and he will find that out when Kelly flies off the handle like he did on national TV.
It's still very early in the recruiting season, so don't be counting who beat who like it is some personal contest. LSU wins with Louisiana boys mostly anyway.
@BearMarket You will have a wait a while, because Meyer has not done that well against LSU or Alabama while he was with Florida and they won 4 national championships between them. Don't blame LSU and Alabama for your teams lack of success against the SEC. Just because you have Meyers that you will be in line to whip either of the SEC schools. Meyers left Florida after Bama whipped him and he was only 3-3 against LSU in his best years with Tebow.
Be careful what you wish for as you may get more of the same.
RussHSEC Ag LSU Tiger Stadium is 92,000 and expecting an expansion to over 100,000. I just thought being played in Houston would make a big game atmosphere for TV and others promotions. The LSU/Oregon game this past year in Jerry's World was a tremendous success in Dallas and LSU's game against Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl was a great success as well. The Florida / Georgia Game played in Jacksonville, Florida is a great game similar to the Texas / OU game.
But, I too love the home field advantage of playing in Tiger Stadium where earthquake like trimmers have occurred on Saturday night. You will see that there is nothing like playing a game in Tiger Stadium on Saturday night.
1 year, 3 months ago on A Divisionless Set-Up Would Help The SEC In Football
SEC Ag Yes, there is something to be said about the home and home experience of late season conference games. I don't know when the LSU / A&M game will be played, but LSU always has it's hands full with playing Alabama (always a heated game) , then Ole Miss (a rivalry game), and then Arkansas for the last game and sometimes for the SEC west championship. So adding A&M in on the tale end of the year would be a little much for LSU to have to contend with. So, it will most likely be scheduled for the middle of the year. But, at this point no one knows how that will work out.
SEC Ag Yea, Ag, you are correct and I should have known better because the series is 27-20-3 (50 games) in favor of LSU. Of course A&M and Arkansas is an old rivalry going back to the old Southwest Conference days, but I well remember when LSU and A&M played every year back in like the 60s and 70s. Emery Bellard turned things around for A&M when he was there and then Jackie Sherrell and Slocum built on that turn around. Every since Arkansas came into the SEC, they have been trying to turn that game into a big rivalry with the Golden Boot, and it is just now finally is turning into that rivalry that most wanted.
But, the LSU / A&M series will probably get hot quicker because of the proximity of the schools and LSU has such a large Alumni association in Houston as it is the largest of all. Plus we all mixup with the oil field a lot and other businesses, and the two states are bordering each other with bragging and etc. . How about a game in the Reliance Center to help make it a larger game.
My brother-in-law got his masters from A&M and his BS from LSU, and I have several friends and business associates that graduated from A&M. I think this will be a big game for both schools, so I am looking forward to the renewal in the SEC. It will be good to have the Aggies in the SEC as they have always played like an SEC team with hard hitting defenses, etc., plus the great traditions the Aggies bring with them.
So, I say welcome to the SEC -- Texas A&M Aggies.
John at MrSEC Yes, that sounds good, but you will leave the strong possibility of a rematch happening pretty often, and I think this years BCS rematch game showed that not to be the best thing for all concerned. With LSU winning the regular season game and Alabama winning the BCS game, the end result is that nothing was really decided as they are still 1-1 . Let's face it LSU had nothing to prove and Alabama did so it was good for one by not for the other. But, in this case these two were the best two and the game had to be played.
I still like the Divisional play as it has worked out great for the SEC financially and it gives each division a championship also. The real purpose in having divisions is to help save money and expenses by being regional. But, we always have the Alabama Auburn situation to deal with and that rivalry takes president over every thing else. However, I can't see why Alabama and Auburn couldn't move to the east and then have the two new teams A&M and Missouri be in the west and keep things going as usual with the same rotation games. That way all would remain the same and we would still have the SEC championship game with the East Champ against the West Champ to decide the SEC champion. You would just have less non conference games, and that could be the down side.
Right now Alabama and Auburn do not play Florida on a regular basis. But if all three teams were in the East then they would play each other every year and we would see who was the cream of the crop in the SEC. Also, the Alabama vs Tennessee game would stay in tact. As it is now, LSU is the only top rated team that has had to face Alabama, Auburn, and Florida every single year in order to win an SEC Championship. That has been a tall order for LSU to face every single year.
Certainly we need changes, but hopefully we don't need to reinvent the wheel in order to be fair.
John at MrSEC John: First of all it was my mistake for calling you the Auburn variety Tiger as I got you and TN Tiger mixed up as the writer. You were responding to TNTiger and I saw his name. So, I apologize for that error. But, everything I said was true and I still contend that you are off base for calling LSU an Also Ran team, because the historical facts don't support that characterization.
There was no BCS Level play from 1986 to 1997 because the BCS did not come into existence until 1998, but LSU won SEC Championships in 1986 and 1988 , so I think you sort of missed those facts. LSU went to the Sugar Bowl in 1986, Gator in 87, and Outback Bowl (Hall of Fame) in 88. I pointed out that during Curley Hallman's years LSU was down and that was from 1990 to 1994. Gerry Dinardo took LSU to 3 straight Bowl victories from 95 to 97 and then Nick Saban came in in 1999 and the rest is history. Nick Saban also won the SEC championship in 2001. During the years you stated (1986-2001), most of those years were down years and probably the worst in LSU history, but even in their worst years, LSU still won 3 SEC Championships and went to 6 Bowl games.
jeffbwillis Jeff, it is not a bad format you have there except I think Arkansas and Missouri could be a better rivalry since they are neighboring states and it would be great to see them become bitter rivals much like Kansas and Missouri were. With Fayetteville being located within about 30 miles of the Missouri border, travel would be easier than A&M and Missouri. This could be a great rivalry especially if SEC championships would be on the line.
John at MrSEC Only on rare occasions has LSU ever been an also ran team, as they are ranked all time as the 4th best team in the SEC and ranked as the 12 th winningest in all of the NCAA. Only Alabama, Tennessee, and Florida have a winning record against LSU.
I don't know what kind of Tiger you are but it must be the Auburn variety. LSU had some bad years in the early 90s under Curley Hallman, but through the years, LSU has been one of the more tradition powers in the SEC .
I will say that since Nick Saban came to LSU and now with Les Miles winning ways, LSU has been on top of the college football world and they are the only team that has beaten Alabama this year and really the only one to even gave them a game lately. The BCS Game was not one of LSU's better games, but 13-1 is not too bad.
Despite the thinking that Texas A&M and Arkansas are the biggest rivals, LSU and Texas A&M have also had a very long standing rivalry with 33 games played and the rivalry goes back to the early 1900s. Also, the proximity of Baton Rouge (only 275 miles from Houston) to Houston with the largest LSU fan club anywhere in Houston, it makes for a very strong competitive game. College station is only about 100 miles from Houston, Texas.
Since Tennessee and Missouri do technically touch each other , I think you make a great point for distance and the state rivalry. You could swap TAM for Missouri with Alabama.
I think Alabama aught to play Florida as a permanent foe so as the compete the best against the best. With LSU, Arkansas, and Auburn already on the Bama schedule why not play Florida every year. LSU has played the Gators, Alabama, Arkansas, and Auburn every year for almost 20 years now, so Alabama should do the same. I think Bama vs Florida would be better than Bama vs Missouri since the games would mean a lot more.
Finally, LSU will lose it's permanent game with Florida every year. With Florida being probably the best team over the last 15-20 years or so, LSU has been saddled with playing the Gators every single year, while Alabama and Auburn only played the Gators every 5 years or so. I like the layout of Mr. SEC .
How about the SEC Championship Game ? How will that be handled ? It sounds like somehow the two teams with the best conference records would play for the championship.