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13 hours, 54 minutes ago on Game 49 Scoring Chances: Devils 2 vs. Maple Leafs 1 (SO)
@ninepaces @NotSince67 It's simply RIDICULOUS. This idea we are going to tank away all the way to the bottom and have enough players to ice a team AROUND McDavid and Eichel.Realistically, the Leafs WILL NOT at their current rate fall below #7 before the lottery. To do so, they would have to trade away significant pieces, such as Kessel or Phaneuf, and will create large holes in their roster. Even then the floor is probably not even below #5 as the teams below are GUARANTEED to be offloading talent as well. So no, the Leafs are not going to rocket to the bottom, and trying to do so, you're going to end up trying to replace the guys you scuttled for years. I mean seriously, if the Leafs could have added a player the calibre of Phaneuf, don't you think they would have done it? Do you think they said "Well, our D is pretty stellar so we just need Robidas and we'll be fine"? No. They're still finding band-aids because they don't have any options. So in summation, trading players to rocket to the bottom which in all likelyhood still WILL NOT get you McDavid or Eichel and is stupid, and even if it comes to fruition, they come to a team with a PAPER THIN D corps.What makes more sense is well, trading guys like Winnik and Santo to stockpile early and mid round picks. If you look at some of the top defensemen in the NHL, the vast majority were not top picks. Doughty and Suter are pretty much the only ones. Chara and Subban were THIRD ROUNDERS, Shea Weber, Vlasic were second round picks, Karlsson was a mid first. And in all likliehood, given the probability of drafting 1-5 versus drafting 5-14 the amount of damage done to try to get into the top 5 is ridiculously harmful rather than just taking that 5-14 and making a good pick.
1 week, 4 days ago on Game 46 Scoring Chances: Blues 3 vs. Maple Leafs 0
Just curious but can we get on official list at this juncture of people who are all in favour of tanking?I for one, do not believe we should tank and the idea is ridiculous.
Sorry boys but the sky isn't falling yet....Tanking is not an option.
1 week, 4 days ago on GDT: Game #46, Toronto Maple Leafs at St. Louis Blues (7 p.m., CBC)
Oh no. "Replacement Level Player" just makes me think of baseball and WAR and such.
2 weeks, 4 days ago on Leafs Scoring Chance Tracking – Halfway point
@wiski @NotSince67 @Leafs_17 I re-listened and it's.... it's ugly.
3 weeks, 1 day ago on The Randy Carlyle era is over
@wiski @NotSince67 @Leafs_17 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/giguere-coaching-change-shouldnt-make-difference-in-t-o/?row=0&row_ids=1617477
@Leafs_17 You should listen to the one with Giguere though. That was a little more damning coming from a pretty classy guy in Giggy.
@DylanJ Also, Boyes was on HC @ Noon and discussed this year (freely) how Barkov hasn't showed the same as last year but they "still know he's got the ability"
@DylanJ I don't think any of those player you mention are acquired for Kessel. And I think just about all of them you'd over pay BIG TIME.Sam Bennett is a top draft pick but so was RNH. But that doesn't mean RNH is as good as Stamkos or MacKinnon or Tavares. Even to a point Hall and Seguin are somewhat outclassed by Stamkos, MacKinnon or Tavares. I see him as a good future player but not the elite of the elite. Why over pay for that?
@Forever17 @NotSince67 @bear19 @DylanJ @HHT He needs to develop a little more variety to his game and his offensive play through the neutral zone to be a 3rd liner....It's a little addition to his game here, a slight improvement there. But realistically the Q is the league for him to develop that part of his game rather than at the next level.Having said that a 6'4"-6'5" version of Manny Malholtra who's every bit as able at skating is an asset any way you slice it.
@HHT Just be glad that you're not adding Nick Ritchie to that list. As I said around draft day, quite possibly comparable to Zach Kassian.
@DylanJ Oh you definitely love the D.
@Forever17 @bear19 @DylanJ @HHT He does have pretty suspect hands, he's not particularily good at putting passes on the tape or really hitting guys at a good time. Really needs to learn how to add to his puck protection skill spin off his check on the boards, he's too predictable in the the puck will either go to the point or down low, he doesn't have the vision to find the seam into the middle. Has to be able to add a threat of rolling off the defender and being able to take it to the net himself. His offensive game has been pretty lackluster and may limit him to 4th line duties IMO.
@wendelsfist Or having a career year beside Phaneuf. He also looked horrid last year under RC.
@Mitch92 I'll be up in a minute ;)
@Bruffins @NotSince67 @Marlies Man Should have fired him Monday morning on the eve of the Gold medal game to help put a little water on the fire.
@Bruffins @NotSince67 @Marlies Man All in all the timing was very bizzare after days off, a winning record so far this year, in a playoff spot and what have you... I was very surprised. It's not often a team in a playoff spot fires it's coach mid-season.
i @Bruffins @NotSince67 I heard probably 9:30, I got the notification from the NHL app around Broadview so maybe 9:40?
@Bruffins @NotSince67 Geeze, did you get a good enough sleep?
I found out about this in a bizzare fashion. I was on the platform at Younge-Bloor and a guy in a Leafs jacket quipped "I like your hat" (Leafs touque) to which I quipped I like your jacket. Promptly told me RC had been fired a few minutes ago and I think my head just about exploded. I didn't believe him at first.
@Cameron19 @Forever17 We already signed Clarkson.Can we also acquire Gomez's buyout hit?
@wiski OMFG That's funny even if you don't buy into it. Now please preview us back page on the inside....
Does anyone else find it bizarre the over all that's been said by former coaches and players in the last 12 hours, that many here wanted RC fired and yet in the wake of it, much discussion is around the acknowledgement that star players on this team, specifically Kessel and Phaneuf, are the root of the problem?I can say on this day I'm glad I have been openly critical of Kessel, especially after last years 7-1 loss to Carolina. Phil will promptly tempt me to put my foot in my mouth by scoring 8 goals in his next 10.
In the famous words of Shea Hillenbrand: "The ship is sinking"
From Winnik's comment it seems to me the big problem silk is that the skill guys don't but into the defensive system. Whether or not it suits them, is it not incumbent upon them to follow regardless?
3 weeks, 2 days ago on The Randy Carlyle era is over
Bah, just realized how old I am seeing the guys in the NHL who are born around the same year as me are pretty much multi-year established vets....
3 weeks, 4 days ago on GDT: Game #40, Toronto Maple Leafs vs Winnipeg Jets (7 p.m., HNIC)
How's the response to Gauthier's play been on the boards so far this WJC?
@Jay_Berg Actually it is pretty bi-polar. Living in Ottawa where the fishbowl effect wasn;t there, when the team sucked people didn;t go crazy, there was definitely a more even-keeled fansbase. The pure passion of this fanbase amplifies the rollercoaster ride.
@Marlies Man @Jon5200 We also consistently have some of the best goaltending int he league which to me is about 50% of your teams success. A team with poor goaltending is sunk no matter how good, but a bad team with very good goaltending will always have a competitive chance.
@Wilbur @dlb, just dlb Leafs didn't start playing poorly really till the second after the two quick goals.
@dlb, just dlb @NotSince67 Honestly tonight was going well, but the bad whisle, confusion on the penalty, seemed to result in a bit of a disjointed PP and Winnipeg definitely had the momentum and scored. After the terrible calls on Clarkson, Winnik the 5 on 3, back to the PK after killing that off, the Bozak call, the team needed a big spark to be able to find the energy to mount the comeback and there was no spark.Tonight would have been a good night to have a tough guy dressed to try to fire up the team by going after Buff.
@djamon @dlb, just dlb Barry Melrose did it in the playoffs complaing about theLEafs getting the benefit of the calls. Babcock CONSISTENTLY works the refs.Even when I played I tried to make a rappor and try to influence the opinion of the refs. It'd be a huge oversight to not engage in trying to win officiating favour.
@rustynail @NotSince67 @dlb, just dlb @hometeem We do when we're skating. Once the pace slows we get hemmed in e take the penalties.Given how good are special teams are, drawing penalties is crucial to our success.
@dlb, just dlb @hometeem Montreal is a team which our group should model itself to play more like. Similar personnel. Similar strengths. Montreal is also a poor 5 on 5 team for their position but their speed really can take over a game in a hurry.
@dlb, just dlb I had this conversation with a friend during the Boston game. Under Ron Wilson they went from a team who got buried early and were barely an NHL team to a more talented squad which was fragile in the 3rd and would blow EVERY lead they had. Now, they are able to hold leads and play well for stretches at a time but lack and sort of buisness like approach and DON'T have the same preperation from one week to the next. The real next step for this team is learning how to eliminate the nights with the lackluster efforts (such as the two nights in Buffalo and Nashville, the loss to NJ) and be able to be more consistent. In addition I think part of the problem with the team is mentally they are still quite fragile. As a team their strength in in their speed, and have dominated stretches of games by dictating the pace, a lot of teams, including Boston simply CANNOT play at the pace the leafs can. This includes speed in on the forecheck, movement away from the puck in the cycle, as well as through the neutral zone from forwards AND defense. The team we saw tonight is what happens when there's far too much paralysis by analysis. Once this team gets involved in really trying to slow the pace of the game down and be methodical it begins to play away from their strengths. It's not a particularly big or strong team and isn;t succesful in a slow tight-checking game along the boards. As a team and a coaching staff this team needs to find a way to constantly force the opponent into playing a higher up-tempo style of game rather than getting better at playing a slow tempo game which suite their opponent. Just as in a fight, the fighter who is able to dictate the pace and style of the fight to take advantage of their strength and capitalize on an opponent's weakness is one that will be successful.
@Yaknowwhat Am I ruining the gripe-fest you've been gladly wallowing in?
@Yaknowwhat Effect, genius.
@Yaknowwhat K, let;s go with the first overall pick then?
@Yaknowwhat Here's a clue: In the last SIX NHL drafts, there are a handful of teams who drafted in the top 14 consistently: Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Atlanta/Winnipeg and Phoenix. Which of these teams is actually any good? Tampa, and the Islanders have improved to not being a non-playoff team.
@dlb, just dlb Komarov is a first line player.... in the KHL. He's not a first line player.Bergeron, Ryan, Perry, Cammaleri, Vanek, Vrbata, Komarov, St. Louis, Nash. One of these is not like the others.... or even close.
@rustynail What? Leo ISN'T a top line forward? Crazy.
@Yaknowwhat So why don;t you come out and say "well it'll change this"?Oh yeah, because you favour tanking. How's that worked out for: Florida, Islanders, Edmonton, Phoenix?Why don;t you get your head out of your ass and realize the real change would be... winning. Go figure.
@Hmmm Ashton is not an NHLer and I'd be floored if someone claimed him off waivers and I'd think the ability to have one more contract would be sufficient return.
@Yaknowwhat Yaknowwhat: "I wish we were more like Edmonton. I'd really prefer to not be in the running for the playoffs, and just be consistently bad and never get better. Otherwise, I won't be able to complain."
@Cloud09 @Mitch92 I think Gilmour tainted his own name when alleged improper sexual behaviour with a minor occured...
@Yaknowwhat Actually, you're the idiot. What will another loss change? Missing the playoffs? Is that change?Only a idiot would watch his team miss the playoffs for a decade and think losing would be a change.
@Armchair GM @GeorgeCastanza Honestly, I'd hedge my bet that he's mid 40's, bachelor or divorced. No children. No post-secondary education. IQ is probably in the range between 70-95. Defiinetly overweight, possibly bald.
@zombie27 @RealLeafsFan @NotSince67 Don't be facetious. The reality of the situation is that the Leafs are in playoff contention. Shit on them all you want, criticise how they play and how they got there but at the end of the day the most important thing is the standings and I can tell you Edmonton fans would trade their CORSI for our standing. *There's half a season to be played. Anyone acting like the writing is on the wall should GTFO. Because the LEafs have made one playoff in a decade, no cups in the modern era. If you think this team has no shot when in a playoff spot, then you might as well stop cheering because you obviously think the history is all that there is.Do you think we're not frustrated? But at the end of the day there is NOTHING which prevents this team from improving. Period. Take the pessimism and negativity and shove it.
@RealLeafsFan Agree with ya bud. Winning streak ensues and teh sky is no longer falling.Can some of you guys have just a touch of perspective?