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@Knights2Leafs Too bad they have.

"I'll just make up shit that makes nice little punch lines instead of debating with facts!"

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Knights2Leafs So you're blaming RC for having shitty players to work with?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @Knights2Leafs In fact looking at their Game logs, Smithsons ice time was cut into Holland, who while they bothg played was averaging over 10 minutes of ice with Smithson rarely getting into double digits.

So pretty much, it's factually untrue and the opposite is true, Holland played more and took away Smithson's minutes. 

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/smithje01/gamelog/2014/

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/h/hollape01/gamelog/2014/

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @Knights2Leafs You sure? Holland played 20 of his games with Smithson not in the lineup.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @Knights2Leafs  Jerred Smithson? David Broll? Troy Bodie is just about out of the AHL....

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Yeah, like a goalie.... Which also is another thing that the group here doesn't mention: during the collapse our goalie was so bad he couldn't glove a puck.

But the reality is he ran the first line into the ground because the rest of the team was pretty much garbage outside of Kadri and Lupul. Why have a player you don;t trust to play 10 minutes on the roster? Because there's no better option. Let's stop pretending here like RC mismanged a playoff team, it would have taken 1) health of Bernier and Bolland to not have gone poo poo 2) a Jack Adams in lieu of to guide this team to the playoffs.

But we sit here today and look at the Sens roster and can see MacLean didn't have much to work with and yet can't do the same for our own team. And yet it's funny cause Turds fans don;t realize their roster sucks and probably think MacLean has had a hand in the poor performance. Go figure.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @Knights2Leafs It's relavent because I think it's telling how off our valuation of D'Amigo was versus the truth. D'Amigo isn't and never really was an NHL player.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Thats the thing, Orr and FML got next to no ice time. Less than 400 minutes combined. It's scapegoating that conveniently paints RC at the same time.

BTW, I must have missed all RC sucks commentary so far this season outside of a three game losing skid. Guess I've been right so far when the populist opinion off-season was fire RC, when I put blame on the players as A COLLECTIVE.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 Lupuls missed time came from end of Nov to mid Dec, and again in February, returning a couple weeks prior to 3 game California set when the Leafs were first...

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @Knights2Leafs 69 ;)

Thats roughly a month of time missed

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Knights2Leafs The reason why the Leafs were trash down the strecth is because they had no depth. Period. They were paper thin organizationally. That was a huge problem. They had key players under perform, another huge problem. You speak of lack of options, but in reality the insinuation is clear that having 82 or less combined games of Orr and FML is what sunk the ship. Which is far from true.

If that isn't the insinuation, what is the significance then of talking about it?

BTW, why even bother looking at the lineup 1 games into to season pretending that what happened during the season is somehow unimportant despite it actually being MORE important? And if thats the case you should scratch Clarkson, Lupul (I believe was injured out of camp), FML was injured in camp, and Colborne was CUT in favour of a career AHLer because he played like dogshit... even through the NHL season.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Knights2Leafs Jerry D'Amigo is so good with a lineup decimated by injuries he still hasn't played a game for Columbus. SMH.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Knights2Leafs AKA, sorry guys, last year the problem wasn't Orr and McLAren who dressed  IIRC combined for less than 82 games, no.

The team just sucked. Clarkson had how many points? Smithson played how many games? Ashton and D'Amigo both played over 20 games? How many games did the captain of the Marlies play? Oh and then there's Kulemin who produced how much? Then there was the MCC as second line centre because of injuries even though his goal production nearly doubled because of empty nets. Then there was the curious case of Franson who had a team worst GA/20 and played injured all year, the Liles/Gleason blackhole. 

Yep. All Orr and McLaren's fault.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Knights2Leafs Interesting.... MCC was let go, not for money because they didn't want his services. Ashton is pretty much getting waived when he gets off suspensions, so is an AHLer. D'Amigo, Bodie  are in the AHL. Bolland missed 2/3rds of the season and most of it he was still recovering from surgery. You also can't carry tht many forwards, which is why Colborne was traded and actually was never available.

Talk about disingenous.

Why not post the lineup without Bolland and Bozak? Why not take Lupul out too who missed significant time? Oh, and your second line RW had less than 20 points.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@MaxwellHowe Can they make Rick Tocchet the head coach? Janet Gretzky can be Director of Finance

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Optimustic @Jmessih Rags win.


Why can't we have a cool goal song like that?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Jmessih @NotSince67 Last year still got you rattled?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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So.... Leafs make the playoffs?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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$100 dollar raffle ticket? NY is expensive....

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 I think your assesment of his drafting is more a criticism of Dave Morrison and his staff than it is of Burke. Do you think these guys work as hard as they do all season and have such limited input come draft day? They drive the bus.

Be real,. a GM attends the vast majority of a team's games, how much amateur scouting do you think they actually do?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 It is saying playing one facepuncher prevents you from playing the other two for 10 mins a game. It is when you consider some of the best and most effective players last year played more than Kessel and JvR.

PErhaps it;s that outside of Kessel and JvR, without a healthy Lupes the was ZERO depth. Maybe it was that with Bozak and Bolland hurt, the Marlies Captiain played 28 games, and Jerred Smithson who wasn't even signed with ANY pro team on the season's dawn and came to the Marlies on a PTO ended up playing 22 games, D'Amigo and Ashton BOTH played over 20 games....

No, it;s all FML or Orr's fault in averaging 4 mins a night besides the obvious lack of organizational depth. Like I said scapegoats in stead of admitting the team just fucking sucked.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Wow, you named four, picking your spot with JML forgetting his first seasons in toronto EARNED him a contract and played well, and that Lupul is a core player well of .5 PPG STILL and such is getting paid close to his market value.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Seriously, having ONE player play four minutes and rolling through 3 other wingers with the fourth line is not thew death knell for a team.

Leaf fans have a hard time accepting the team as a whole stinks when it does, and like to find scapegoats. This isn't new.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Nope. 

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @djamon "Contending? Contending?! Are we talking about Contending?! I'm just hoping we can make the playoffs!!!"

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @djamon Carlgary has still not made  the playoffs since when? I think you're a slightly premature on annointing them as successful as opposed to improved significantly.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Engelland has been really bad. 

But saying facepunchers = losing is simply a big stretch.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @djamon So wait, Calgary is now a cup contender?

" acquiring lots of picks and not trading away high draft picks to build up prospects."

Sounds like edmonton. And NYI, who took almost a decade to get there and is dependent on one player still, as witnessed by last year.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Bollig and Engelland play pretty much every night.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @djamon Yes, because you become a cup contender before you make the playoffs.... 

Where do you get this idea you become an elite team before being just better than average?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@.Kong. BTE Calgary is dressing Bollig, Engelland and McGrattan.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@.Kong. All those two minute stretches playing 4 mins a night...

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @djamon @NotSince67 Did you forget first playoff season in a decade?

Did you forget the core of the current team?

Why all the focus on what? Two bad signings as if it outdoes all the beneficial moves he made for the club.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@djamon @NotSince67 Nit pick all you like but the proof is in the pudding how his organizations have consistently turned around with Toronto being the lone market in where it took more than a couple seasons...

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @mikeyboy So much emphasis on tanking. "He's a good GM because he tanks"

Calgary tanked one year under Burke and he didn;t even trade his most high profile UFA who walked. 

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @mikeyboy Um, he pretty much turned over the entire roster in about two years...

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@wendelsfist @NotSince67 @mikeyboy Jesus Wendel, you're why we can't have anything nice. The man brings us Kessel, Lupul, Gardiner, Bozak on an ELC, brings in Phaneuf for a bag of pucks, drafts Kadri, flips Luke Schenn for JvR...

So aside from Bernier has brought in every impact player on this team. 

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@mikeyboy Can we all just admit Burke is an exceptional manager?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Whalz It's Broll, no biggie. 

Finn? Well, that isn't encouraging.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@DeclanK @NotSince67 I'd probably pass on both........

Actually, I really suspect Brayden has a long history of undocumented concussions given he;s stayed in games where he's shown that he's been knocked semi-conscious. He's been dropped in numerous fights, hits from behind, shots to the head. 

He hasn't missed games but I think as his career progresses age will make PCS symptoms rear their ugly head.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@In it to Winnik Goaltending will always keep them afloat as long as Price is able-bodied

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@DeclanK @NotSince67 So I guess if we could acquire Carey Price it;s a de facto bad trade because of depth in goal?

Not to mention it's really not fair of either of us to comment on the availability of Simmonds, because we really don't know, and it's probably largely dependent on the return for him.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@DeclanK @NotSince67 Simmonds is the Clarkson we wanted and didn;t get.

We're also paper thin on RW after Kessel.

I'm not debating the fact we need to upgrade at centre, but does that mean you wouldn't acquire a player you think adds to the makeup of your team? You improve any way possible. It;s like saying if you could work a deal for Carey Price, you wouldn't do it cause we don't need a goalie.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @mikeyboy I think Turris is a legitimate top 6 centre, when he went to Ottawa he was still early in his development. Once you get past him being third overall, he's progressed nicely since running away from the desert.

Mac? I don;t even know where to peg him, he's certainly prov ed that he can produce big time in favorable situations, and yet doesn't always produce that way on a year to year basis.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@ConnorCrisp Mac certainly has bounced around from bad team to bad team... Wonder if he's ever going to ask for a ticket out of town

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @mikeyboy Don't forget Alfie walked and Michalek went MIA, so there's your 3 top forwards from their last playoff team. It's beyond unreasonable to believe the bar can be set at the same level. Haven't been close to replacing either Spezza or Alfie, let alone both.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @Komas Taberle @wendelsfist @Burtonboy One more year and the going price for yak will be a 3rd round pick just like Filatov

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @mikeyboy Also, from the clips from the presser, Murray fully threw MacLean under the bus.

Frankly, your best forward is Bobby Ryan who's not even on a 20 goal pace, Michalek is MIA now for two seasons, and the D-corps is littered with bottom pairing defense men. Outside of Turris and Mac, there's not really much up front, Ryan has underachieved, and honestly listen to these names: Greening, Zach Smith, Eric Condra, Chiasson, Hoffman, Lazar, Stone, Chiasson, Zbjanajanajadddd, Michalek, Legwand.

Thats like the bulk of their bottom 9. Not good enough in ANY ways shape of form. They have 3 lines of 3rd line or worse quality players in a lot of respects.

Notwithstanding Karlsson and MEthot are the only real players on the blueline. Phillips is not a top pairing player anymore, Ceci and Cowan are noth very young and Boro and Gyrba are guys who are going to do best in low-minute sheltered roles. 

What did they expect?

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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@Cameron19 @NotSince67 @mikeyboy I think he was unhappy about the roster and was making demands for better players which caused enough friction between the two camps. Not too openly though, aside from the shot across the bow last week.

On the Drive w/ Naylor they pointed out Sens have the lowest payroll while being 13th int he league in attendance which sort of defies how sports teams usually are run, aside from having Ballard as an owner.

1 week, 4 days ago on Leafs Notebook – December 8

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