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I just wish this team wasn't marshmallow soft. Please for the love of god bring in a guy or two who's a capable scrapper. Zach Sill isn't, for those who are going to bring him up.
2 days, 12 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – March 25
@Burtonboy Don't let that fool you. Perlini missed a couple, maybe the first 3 months of the season with a broken hand (requiring surgery I believe) sustained in NHL camp. Verhaeghe struggled mightily in the absence of another player to play with, be it Ho-Sang or Perlini.
@HHT I;m pretty sure NCAA players don't chose because of a party environment and low expectations. Seriously, what athlete turning pro would embrace a lack of expectation? They have high expectations they lace on themself. Seriously.They're only concerned about ONE thing: Making the NHL for good. Not for a call-up, for a month. They're focused on having a career as an NHL regular and are going where they think their development is best assisted by that. Period.
2 days, 14 hours ago on Leafs Notebook – March 25
@In it to Winnik @sniperstar @Anthony Petrielli @NotSince67 Thats highlight Vid for the record was from the Finnish league.
@In it to Winnik He's not a youngin... 3 seasons European pro after playing out all 4 years in the NCAA.
@sniperstar And why has Zacha fallen for you?
4 days, 6 hours ago on GDT: Game #74, Minnesota Wild at Toronto Maple Leafs (7:30 p.m., TSN4)
Posted below but probably would interest more than others in that thread: http://canucksarmy.com/2015/3/14/six-player-to-watch-in-the-2016-chl-top-prospects-game
@DeclanK @Savo43 @Pent_House http://canucksarmy.com/2015/3/14/six-player-to-watch-in-the-2016-chl-top-prospects-game
@DeclanK @Savo43 @Pent_House http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/114037/beyond-tomorrow-stings-chychrun-joins-growing-list-exceptional-players-florida/
@Dogger Chychrun looks like a real solid frontrunner for next year's draft.Day also eligible next year.
4 days, 7 hours ago on GDT: Game #74, Minnesota Wild at Toronto Maple Leafs (7:30 p.m., TSN4)
@Savo43 @Pent_House Don't forget there's close to a 50% chance Toronto slides back 1 spot...
I'll be completely honest, I'm more interested to watch college hockey or AHL, CHL etc. these days.Stopped taping games, indifferent to watch, usually half-paying attention during. I really just don't care about what this group of players does from now until game 82 is over. The playoff season started early for us this year.
@tyedrydenleafsfan Except without crunching the numbers Reimers AHL Sv% is around .920, certainly above .915, albeing for a 44 game sample size..905 in the Minors after 73 games is really sub-par.
6 days, 13 hours ago on GDT: Game #73, Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Ottawa Senators (7 p.m., HNIC)
Just digging around a bit in regards to Hammond: Through a 73 game sample size, Hammond has a .905 SV% (It was actually .90549, a hundred-thousanth short of rounding up). In the AHL.In a 14 game NHL sample size he has a .950 SV%.I think it's safe to say once he regresses to the norm, he probably won't be stealing too many games.
@mr_hanie @NotSince67 @Luke_R Or Andrew Raycroft. Pascale Leclaire put up a huge rookie campaign. Viktor Fasth had a very hot start to his career.
@Luke_R @NotSince67 @mr_hanie It's a 14 game sample size.
@Luke_R @mr_hanie Lerner was the only goalie drafted by Ottawa.Anderson came already with NHL service time, Bishop had been a top goalie in the minors and had made a few appearances with St. Louis before being acquired. Had trouble establishing himself as a bonafide NHL calibre goalie and was stuck as a tweener when he was dealt.You're forgetting they also tried Pascale Leclair. But what I really wanted to say is not to get too high on Hammond, the sample size is relatively small. Given his age and the small sample size I wouldn't be quick to expend other assets to keep this guy.
@vinoa @NotSince67 @North Kariya @Xxxxxnew Henrik was also drafted in a era when the attention to european talent pools isn;t what it is now.
1 week, 2 days ago on Wednesday Mashup: Leafs Eliminated from playoffs
@North Kariya @NotSince67 @Xxxxxnew No, but trying to bring in three examples of players who haven't played in a decade is completely irrelevant. You know scouting is far more thorough than it was in the 80s and 90s, and that the position itself is more homogenous and makes it easier to assess talent.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 @Xxxxxnew I told you look at the data, and tell me how many of those goalies were picked after the fourth round. notice the disparity in that group of Europeans vs North Americans in that group.It's pretty obvious that europeans, not just goalies, have been generally under exposed and passed over in drafting. So would it not make sense that the majority of passed over goalies are... European.What would be better would be a record of goalies drafted in the last 15 years, sorted by NHL GP. I think that would further illustrate that most NA goalies don;t get missed, the good ones go in the first 4 rounds and after that it's a lot of projects that rarely become starting calibre, let alone elite goalies.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 @Xxxxxnew Yeah, when scouting wasn't as developed and the position itself was radically different than that of today. like I said, not really that relevant.If you had to make a statement on what you said it's "Eddie Belfour, Dominic Hasek and Curtis Joseph went undrafted two and a half decade ago and when they retired close to a decade ago, were all hall of famers. So that shows now in the present draft position is not a good indicator of talent"
@North Kariya @NotSince67 @Xxxxxnew They're not on that list, and all 3 I believe were retired by that point. They also all played... in the early 90s... So to be honest, that's not entire relevant two decades later.
@Xxxxxnew That doesn't say anything about draft position as a predictor for success.The reality still is that talent can be evaluated pretty well across goalies in North America. And if you look at that crop of goalies it's clear the "overlooked" goalies are ALL european with two exceptions: Mike Smith and Ryan Miller (excluding the flash in the pan Tim Thomas)As I posted below with 150 or so goalie in the NHL and minor pro all competeing for 30 starting jobs, it's the things like attitude and work ethic that starts to define the careers of goalies. But when you consistently draft in them in the 6th round, most of them come to pro at the back of the pack lacking tools to make up the difference. The guys who are picks int he first 3 rounds at least are more talented, better physical spicimens and have a leg up on the competition to seize one of those 30 jobs,
@North Kariya @NotSince67 @vinoa If there was a prospect who was a clear cut better than the rest of his peers in net, I would.This logic that "goalies you can't predict" is pretty misleading. You certainly CAN evaluate talent. Once you get into a pool of 150 goalies over 15-20 birth years all gunning for 30 jobs, a lot of things outside of sheer talent begin to make the cream rise to the top.But if you start with pretty raw generally lacking in talent goalies, usually the best you get is Reimer and guy like Sparks who surprise you for being able to hold it together as a pro. When you start with a first round pick you give yourself a real legitimate shot to develop a starting goaltender.
@Xxxxxnew In fact, the majority of late-picks and non-draftees are, no suprise, europeans.Pretty much the draft is a good indicator of talent level in North America.
@vinoa @NotSince67 @North Kariya What is your point? The fact of the matter is we're not going to get a good goalie unless another team gives up on them if we're consistently pulling them after the first three rounds. Reimer is the highest goalie drafted since Rask... go figure.Are you really going to tell me that the best way to select goalies is to pick them after round 3? What about round 5? (Rollheiser, Sparks, Bibeau)
@Xxxxxnew Um, everybody is saying crapshoot but it;s quite obvious there's a BIG majority there for 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks there.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 Price, Varlamov, Rask, Luongo, Ward, Dubnyk, and Bernier are. So 7/30How many are drafted 5th round or later?
@North Kariya @NotSince67 Look at it this way, who have the Leafs had in net or drafted over the last 10 years or so? The only one to stick... was a first round pick in Bernier. The only other good goalie int hat list was another 1st round pick: Tuuka rask.Then a bunch of pro-calibre guys, backups, journeymen. Riemer and Toskala 4th round, Gustavsson undrafted, Bibeau 7th(?) rd, Sparks in the 6th. Grant Rollheiser was a later round pick who never was able to play starting duties for an Ivy LEague school in the NCAA. Proofs in the pudding.Is it any surprise the best goalie prospect in the system isn't the two late picks but the 2nd round pick?
I just noticed the draft countdown. Three months?This is dying a slow death.
@Xxxxxnew And where was Price picked? Varlamov? What about Tuuka Rask?For godssakes, Bernier was a first round selection.Reality is if you're selecting goalies at the end of the draft and you never pick to top crop of the talent you're gonna miss more than the guys willing to gamble and draft goalies in the first 3 rounds.
@NinetyThree @NotSince67 @North Kariya Luongo has had a pretty long and illustrious career, and he's still looking like he can play at a high level for some time.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 And the reality is while you may not NEED one, if you had the choice of a generational talent, it's have to be a goalie over a D-man or forward.Quite simply the success of a team is almost 50% tied to goaltending. Good teams win with good goaltending. Good teams lose with bad goaltending.Bad teams win with good goaltending. Bad teams lose with bad goaltending.An elite goalie is more than worth their weight in gold.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 Well, pretty much the Elite right now are Varlamov, Quick, Lundqvist, Price. Rask is close to that group, and Miller and Luongo have sort of fallen from that height although Last year was bad for Lu, and this year has been bad for Miller.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 I mean look at where Varlamov and Price were picked... it's not like they're kryptonite.
@North Kariya @NotSince67 You certainly don;t acquire them via trade...
What's with all the goalie hate? No tender projected in the first round. Last year IIRC Thatcher Demko was the first to go even putting up good numbers and playing solid goal as a first year draft-eligible player in the NCAA.We could really use a generational goalie before any other position.
@djamon @NotSince67 To put this in perspective, Konecny went #1 overall in the OHL and went on to post 68 pts in 60 games as a rookie, incredibly hard to do.This year 70 pts through 63 games, which is pretty much the same clip right? But you look a little deeper, Konecny started the year in the Top 10 and slid out as he struggled, recording only 30 points through Oct, Nov and Dec. Since then, in two and a half months he's posted 40 points, with 6 points in 3 games so far in March.I think scouts read too much into the firs half of a pressure packed second year and he's returning to form. The question is will an organization be able to recognize his full body of work versus a slump during a critical year.
@djamon @NotSince67 Not arguing that but we're comparing the breakdown of the draft into comparable potential level. Eichel and McDavid are the first time not only you get a bonafide generational talent but two of them. To go with that you have three legitimate top group guy in a year where a number #1 is mediocre and with multiple contenders. So thats 5 picks in swinging above their weight pretty much.
@vinoa @djamon I think Konencky is going to be a big time "mistake" this year at the draft. His point totals going from this year before and after the switch to 2015 are night and day. Last year he was the lone bright spot in a terrible Ottawa squad and really looked to put himself in the running to be a top pick this year.I feel like the fact 3 months to start the season went pretty poorly by his standard and the high goals set by scouts to exceed his production last year with eclipse a return to form. This is largely what happened which cause Brandon Saad to fall as well as Andre Burakovsky.
@vinoa @Cameron19 The difference this draft is there is a grouping of TWO players which are probably on the level of the Tavares', Crosby's, MacKinnon, Ekblad who have had the #1 spot clinced since being 15 or so. True superstar out of the box.The second group which is more like the first grouping in last years draft (Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl)this group arguably is 3 players deep and that's Marner, Strome and Hanifin.Thats already a lot of talent in the top 5, pushed by McDavid and Eichel.The next group is pretty strong projecting close to past the top 10 picks, which is a lot deeper than usual.
@Sebastian James Ekblad or Seth Jones. Maybe Trouba.
@Cameron19 I hate the idea of trying to use hindsight judging a draft. I'm sure if talent evaluators had that information, they'd use it, and if things were that easy to predict, someone would have done it by now.
@HHT @NotSince67 @Cameron19 I don't think you'll be able to make that trade without hurting the organization.
@HHT @Cameron19 How are the Leafs gonna draft at #2?
@HHT @Cameron19 @Shannigans @mtommy @mcloki I think the real interesting situation is if PHX has #3 and drafts MArnewr ahead of Hanifin, not saying they will, but if any team does it would probably be PHX.In that case, it leaves the possibility of a Hanifin slide even if it turns out the Leafs pick at #6
But who cares, we're winning the lottery anyways.
@Shannigans @Cameron19 @mtommy @mcloki @HHT Personally I don't think the deal cam is discussing gets made.I don't doubt that PHX could realistically draft MArner at #4 and possibly #3 over Hanifin. But I think they all realize the gap between Eichel and MArner and I think to have that pick they;re going to leverage the situation and I don't think another team will give up the value which PHX would be seeking.
Healy is missing his chance to get revenge on the Leafs
3 weeks, 3 days ago on GDT: Game #64, Toronto Maple Leafs at Florida Panthers (7:30 p.m., TSN4)