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Night, definitely.

13 hours, 53 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Time Heist

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I'll be honest, I find heist movies pretty dull. But I generally find the heist itself entertaining. So when this episode chucked us into the heist pretty much straight away, and saved the explaining how and why they're there until later, I was very happy indeed. The plot is an interesting one, despite some bits and pieces not being explained to their fullest. The revelations throughout the story were surprises the first time but seem quite obvious on rewatch, which is the way they ought to be. I have to say though, the bank's security systems aren't the most impressive in the world.  The guest characters this week were interesting, particularly Psi. The fact that he and Saibra have their fantastic deaths undone is a great shame, but it means they can both return in future series, which I won't complain about. Karabraxos is an interesting villain, and Keeley Hawes gives an enchanting performance as her, although she isn't quite as good when portraying her clone, Miss Delphox. Capaldi and Coleman are as great as ever, and Capaldi in particular is excellent in the scenes following Saibra's death. The Teller is a great villain, fantastic design and a very interesting idea. The twist at the end that it wasn't evil after all was similar to Hide, but unlike that story it wasn't just tacked on at the end and felt like a natural part of the narrative. Also, I like the fact that the memory worms returned, nice bit of continuity. The direction was very stylistic, which at times worked very well but at others felt like a bit too much. However the music, as ever, was fantastic. In fact I'd say this is the best scored episode this series, in particular the scene when the Teller first appeared. Overall it was a strong, entertaining episode, the weakest so far this series, but still standing head and shoulders over the majority of Series 7.

8/10


Series 8 so far:

1. Listen 10/10

2. Into the Dalek 9.5/10

3. Deep Breath 8.5/10

4. Robot of Sherwood 8/10

5. Time Heist 8/10


Episodes Fives:

1. The Rebel Flesh 9/10

2. The Poison Sky 8.5/10

3. Time Heist 8/10

4. Rise of the Cybermen 8/10

5. Evolution of the Daleks 8/10

6. World War Three 7.5/10

7. The Angels Take Manhattan 6/10

8. Flesh and Stone 4.5/10

19 hours, 3 minutes ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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He introduces himself to "Joseph Green".

1 day, 9 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Indra, his name was. The bit when Harriet realised she didn't know his name always makes me sad.

1 day, 9 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I might use it next time I talk about my old English teacher...

1 day, 9 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I imagine Kill the Moon and Mummy on the Orient Express will be quite deathy.

1 day, 10 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Methinks Episode 7 will change that.

1 day, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I felt that initially. I'm on an 8.5/10 right now, but a rewatch could make all the difference.

1 day, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I'd probably put the GI and River in the place of the Ice Warrior and Dinosaur, but otherwise it's pretty cool.

1 day, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I noticed it straight away, made me smile.

1 day, 17 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I'm fairly sure it was never really confirmed when during the war that scene took place.

2 days, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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The Day of the Doctor, although if we excluded that it'd be Forest of the Dead.

3 days, 12 hours ago on Face-Off: Blink vs Listen

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I think they both did it perfectly.

3 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Quite a few of my friends didn't like either Listen or Deep Breath (or both), and they've started to make me wonder if I'm wrong for liking them. But I generally just tend to ignore them.

4 days, 10 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I'd do mean things to people I don't like, blowing up their phones, iPods, computers etc.

4 days, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Time Heist looks like it could be good, but I doubt it'll be anything special. The Caretaker could end up surprisingly entertaining like Robot of Sherwood did, but alternatively it could be a damp squib. Kill the Moon sounds very interesting (still not a fan of the title), I can't wait to see what the Doctor does. And I hope Mummy on the Orient Express is as terrifying as it sounds.


4 days, 13 hours ago on Tantalising Details on Episodes 5-8 of Series 8

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They say that because those events are within the Time War. What I'm suggesting is that events before the Time War aren't Time-Locked, but he didn't go back because the pain would hurt him too much. He couldn't go into the Time War at all, though.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Anyone seen Orange is the New Black? I watched the first episode the other night and thought it was decent, so I'd be interested in any thoughts. Most of my friends seem to really like it. (Also, David, now would be a good time to post a Breaking Badathon update, methinks ;))

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Stone 9/10 Chamber 8.5/10 Prisoner 10/10 Goblet 9.5/10 Order 9/10 Blood 9.5/10 Hallows 1 9/10 Hallows 2 10/10

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Nah m6, all abowt Beebah, init?

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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He probably thought it would hurt too much.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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It does however mean we're missing out and on Capaldi/villain confrontations. I really want to see him let rip at someone.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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David Bowie, REM, ELO, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Gerry Rafferty, Elton John, Dire Straights, The Clash, The Kinks, Fleetwood Mack, Bob Marley, Simple Minds, Cold Play, Imagine Dragons, Simon and Garfunkel. There are probably more that I've forgotten.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Glue is glue-like. Who knew?

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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It's pretty good, I'd give the first episode a solid 8/10.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Anderson sometimes annoys me (I don't even know why), but otherwise I like their relationship.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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A drama on E4, it started this week.

4 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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You could just record episodes and fast-forward the adverts.

4 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Anyone here watching Glue? It's by the people who wrote Skins (I've not seen it but I'm going to at some point) and has Tommy Knight and Yasmin Page in it, and it's generally pretty good (a bit, ahem, naughty though).

4 days, 16 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/beyond-the-whoniverse/

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Don't be absurd, that makes sense, and you'll find nothing like that in The Rings of Akhaten.

5 days, 10 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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More importantly, she's being pretty arrogant when she calls it the most important leaf in human history. Yeah, sure, in hindsight it is, but from her perspective at the time it really wasn't, and she comes of as a self-centred little idiot.

5 days, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Christmas Cracker by a mile.

5 days, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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At least Keeley Hawes and Jonathan Baily are better actors than Ashley Walters and those other two.

5 days, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Compared to the RTD era there's been less change. RTD era 4 series: 4 TARDIS teams. Moff era: 4 series: 3 TARDIS teams.

5 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Without the "never" that could be a whole different scene.

6 days, 11 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Never Cruel or Cowardly.

6 days, 12 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Some of my friends have only really liked Into the Dalek so far this series, so do you think this episode is in a similar vein to it and likely to appeal more to them. Alternatively, some have only liked Robot of Sherwood, so would it instead appeal more to them?

6 days, 15 hours ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I love his "scared is a superpower" speech, totally insane.

1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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His "coming on to Clara" voice is a bit too much. I get it's meant to sound awkward, but even so...

1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I don't know what it is but something about his performance as Danny keeps putting me off a little.

1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Listen

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In theory, an episode where we never find out if there's actually a monster, where the threat could just amount to a kid in a bed sheet and a creaking spaceship, where we never get any clarity of what's going on, shouldn't work. But maybe that's why it does. Because no one would think of it, or expect it. We've grown used to 800 or so episodes with a big scary monster or a crazy villain or even a nameless, faceless entity (like in Midnight) that no one would've thought that maybe, just maybe, there could be an episode with no monster at all (Yeah, OK, there was The Edge of Destruction, but at least then there was the risk they'd all blow up or something). The ambiguity is excellent, as with every moment and situation where there could be evidence these creatures exist, there is also a perfectly reasonable explanation (The Doctor forgetting he wrote "Listen" is possibly the least probable, but given he's 2000 years old and spends most of his time in insanely memorable and extraordinary situations, it is possible). Also, we have to question, if creatures that exist to hide really do exist, then what does it matter? At no point in the episode do they do anything bad, bar creep some people out. The lack of threat in theory would remove any sense of urgency to proceedings, but it means that instead we invest ourselves in the characters and their situations. Suddenly Danny and Clara's romance feels central, as does the Doctor's obsession with finding the truth. So the episode may not conclude whether or not there ever were any creatures, but it does conclude the true focus of the episode, as is the case in The Edge of Destruction (the more I think about it, the more similarities I see between both stories). We see Danny and Clara finally get together at the end, and we see the Doctor stop looking for the creatures that might not be there. Also, we have an emotional conclusion which also happens to be the very start of the story which has been told over the last 50 years. We see Clara inspiring the Doctor to be the man who he is today, and we have two fantastic callbacks to The Day of the Doctor and An Unearthly Child ("Fear makes companions of us all"). Overall it's a big wibbly wobbly ball of madness which will doubtless turn many against it because of its ambiguity, its possible lack of threat and the fact it ended up a very different beast to what many were expecting. But that is precisely why I love it.

10/10


Series 8 episodes:

1. Listen 10/10

2. Into the Dalek 9.5/10

3. Deep Breath 8.5/10

4. Robot of Sherwood 8/10

1 week ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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For the record, top 5 scariest monsters in general: 1. The Flood 2. Midnight Entity 3. The Beast 4. Vashta Nerada 5. Davros (Mostly based on Genesis of the Daleks)

1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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1. Vashta Nerada 2. Weeping Angels 3. Empty Child 4. Hiders 5. Silence

1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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The Girl in the Fireplace below Daleks in Manhattan...I think someone's gonna get mad...

1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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In anticipation of Listen, ratings for Episode 4s:

1. The Doctor's Wife 10/10

2. The Girl in the Fireplace 9/10

3. The Sontaran Stratagem 8.5/10

4. The Time of Angels 8/10

5. Daleks in Manhattan 8/10

6. The Power of Three 7/10

7. Aliens of London 6.5/10

1 week, 1 day ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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I doubt they'd really bother to be honest, just remind people of the existence of rewinding and subtitles.

1 week, 2 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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At least back then it couldn't spread like wildfire over the internet.

1 week, 3 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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Good luck with your personal stuff, hope you can come back soon. :)

1 week, 4 days ago on Conversation @ http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/discusswho/062014/

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