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I'm sure you want the last word but as far as I'm concerned this conversation is over. If defending a rape victim is wrong then I don't want to be right.
2 months, 3 weeks ago on Jameis Winston walks away from interview with Heather Cox
@youngexec@BenWinokerWell I'm arguing like a woman by not attacking an accused rape victim, so that's fine with me.
@youngexec@BenWinokerNot a misogynist = a woman. Also not a racist = a minority. Not a homophobic = gay. Am I doing this right?
@youngexec@BenWinoker I'm not sure it has been established that they were still dating at this time. Regardless, Jameis had a girlfriend too, and his roommates regularly joined in on his sexual escapades. What does that make him?More importantly, how does going home with someone while you have a boyfriend make it less likely to be raped?
@youngexec That's not true at all. I'd say they're more likely to be. In the same sense that drug dealers are more likely to be murdered. It's still a crime, no matter what risky behavior was involved on the part of the victim. If one of them was a boyfriend, and the other raped her, that doesn't sound like a slut to me.
@youngexec Sluts are less likely to be raped then? Having sex with 2 different people makes you a slut?
@youngexec Wow. That's hilarious. So sluts can't be raped? And having sex with 2 different people makes you a slut? I refuse to believe someone that stupid can hold down a job.
@youngexec You honestly believe that the prosecutor's personal belief is what made him make the decision on whether or not to charge? In a profession where your success rate is everything, prosecutors only try cases they think they can win. He said so himself: he didn't think he could get a conviction. I believe that Winston's teammate's statements were the crucial piece of evidence in this case, but do I think they would be as powerful in a civil case, when the burden of proof is lower? No.
It's politically correct to refer to a victim of a crime as a victim, yes, but not if no crime takes place. How is it PC to not pursue charges vs her?Plain and simple: the decision on whether or not to charge only had to do with what they could prove, not with what they believe.
@youngexec You really don't get it, do you? If the prosecutor thought Winston was beyond a doubt innocent, he wouldn't still be referring to the young lady as "the victim," and he would have filed wrongful accusation charges on her. Prosecutors file cases they think they can win, not when they think the accused is guilty. Civil cases are separate from criminal ones. They often have different outcomes, due to the lower standard of evidence required.
Less likely than if the facts were different? That's not what I'm arguing. Yes, there are things that could be changed that would make rape more likely. That doesn't mean that it is unlikely that rape happened. Winston wasn't charged because the prosecutor didn't think he could get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt, not because he didn't think Winston was guilty. In a civil case (which is how this thread started) the proof only needs to be beyond the balance of probabilities. Do you understand? Not being roofied does not significantly shift that balance, because many rapes occur without roofies. Ditto for previous sex, drink sharing, and accompanying people to their apartment.
@youngexec Good. Keep being vague and don't make any real points.
@youngexec Likelihood. Are you saying that the majority of rapes happen from roofies or being too drunk to consent? Because I would love to see that data. And I would love to know the relevance because that is not what is being alleged.
@youngexec Rape can occur without being roofied or being too drunk to give consent, so I'm not sure what your point is.
@youngexec Having sex with another person: not related. Each sexual event is an independent event. Having a low BAC: rules out inability to consent, that's it. Sharing drinks: makes it less likely that she was roofied? That's it. Followed a man back to his apartment: if she said stop at any point in the process, and he didn't, it's rape so irrelevant.
@youngexec Please explain how any of those things make rape any less likely.
2 months, 4 weeks ago on Jameis Winston walks away from interview with Heather Cox
@Dez E. I didn't say that Winston's DNA proved he raped her, nor did I say that the other DNA shouldn't be investigated. However, now that it has been investigated, and there is a logical reason for it being there, I don't see how it would impact a civil case. Maybe I was being unclear, it is important to investigate, but the results of that investigation don't point towards or away from a rape.
@youngexec The criminal standard is beyond reasonable doubt. The civil standard is a balance of probabilities. Let me spell it out for you: it's possible to be raped after having sex with another person at another time, it's possible to be raped with a low BAC, it's possible to be raped after sharing drinks, and it's possible to be raped after accompanying a man to his apartment at night. Please tell me what I'm missing.
@Dez E. None of that explains why the presence of her ex-boyfriend's semen means she wasn't raped.
@youngexec The male who contributed the other DNA sample was not there. What else needs to be explained? How does that have anything to do with what happened that night? Since she had sex with more than one person she's a slut so she couldn't possibly have been raped?